Supporting your favorite gal during this crisis

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medalllione

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For sure, the supply will far outstrip demand. With deep recession, there will be less dollars and discretional money laying around for the far more ladies turning to SP and MP to get by Don't let the demand for Onlyfans fool you, this is only temporary plus the average $10 ( I have seen lots of heavily discounted $4..99 per month promos) should not be compared to $120-140 (hh) or $200-240 (hourly) rates for SP or $140-200 for MP. Most folks will think nothing to spend $5 per month to supplement pornhub but $140 to see an SP or MP after things return to normal? Especially if you don't have a job or cash strapped?
 

asuran

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Have you not read anything I've said recently?!!?

Average escorts ranging in the 200 to 600 per hour are doing just fine. Do they make more then the clients? Possibly. Twitter gave us insight of the many luxury pics that is evident of thier success (vacation, exotic getaways, jewelry ect..). The average escort has cash reserve to last them months. Their focus now is to shift the session to online. Although not as popular now, but slowly it will gain momentum. Madison Winter is offering 350/hh skype dates
https://mobile.twitter.com/MadisonwinterTo/status/1246095097051086849 and we'll likely see more escorts follow in her steps. So the pandemic will hurt them but not by much. Although I can't never imagine myself doing this and find it awfully cringe, many men will resort to it. But that's not my concern! My concern is that after this is over, say in September, the demand for escorts will be so insatiable that the price for escorts will skyrocket! And I only have you to blame for it. You will be part of the many who go on binge spree that it will eventually lead to escorts raising prices and offering bbbjs as 60 to 80 extra! Is that what you want??!! They will make back the loss of income within a week! It's going to be insane! The ladies have nothing to fear. I hoped that this pandemic would minimize the amount of Johns in the future thus making escorting a niche market but this will only be the opposite! To answer all your questions at once - escorts will be fine in the short run, and prosper in the long run while clients suffer short and long!

ONCE IT IS SAFE, the first month or two, providers would be considered 'hot commodity' and be in demand. Especially to those who will be bingeing. But I do see things get back to normal after that initial rush that may last a month to a quarter of a year.
Maybe certain services would be considered extra as well or completely removed, since we most-likely have become more health conscious due to the pandemic scare.

But then again health consciousness may not be that important to quite a large number of people as we've seen them slow in following social distancing rules.
 

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ONCE IT IS SAFE, the first month or two, providers would be considered 'hot commodity' and be in demand. Especially to those who will be bingeing. But I do see things get back to normal after that initial rush that may last a month to a quarter of a year.
Maybe certain services would be considered extra as well or completely removed, since we most-likely have become more health conscious due to the pandemic scare.

But then again health consciousness may not be that important to quite a large number of people as we've seen them slow in following social distancing rules.
Unfortunately, your original premise "ONCE IT WILL BE SAFE" is wrong. There will be no specific day when it become suddenly safe. The isolation restrictions will be gradually reduced but even after they are reduced, an "extra caution" suggestion will be in effect. Since older people are more at risk and since clients are much older than providers, providers will re-enter the market at much higher speed than clients will, so, it is the clients who will be "hot commodity" at first.
 

asuran

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Unfortunately, your original premise "ONCE IT WILL BE SAFE" is wrong. There will be no specific day when it become suddenly safe. The isolation restrictions will be gradually reduced but even after they are reduced, an "extra caution" suggestion will be in effect. Since older people are more at risk and since clients are much older than providers, providers will re-enter the market at much higher speed than clients will, so, it is the clients who will be "hot commodity" at first.
The "older people are more at risk" is based on previous data from China and Italy where their population is generally older. Some even say the data from China may not be accurate.
Newer data from US, Canada and updated world data shows that is not really the case anymore.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...s-and-covid-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/health/young-people-dying-coronavirus-sanjay-gupta/index.html

https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/why-young-people-should-care-about-covid-19
 

JohnnyFever

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The "older people are more at risk" is based on previous data from China and Italy where their population is generally older. Some even say the data from China may not be accurate.
Newer data from US, Canada and updated world data shows that is not really the case anymore.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...s-and-covid-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/health/young-people-dying-coronavirus-sanjay-gupta/index.html

https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/why-young-people-should-care-about-covid-19
Your links don't show that older people aren't more at risk, just that young people are not immune. The basic premise hasn't changed - people over 70 along with those who have underlying health issues (diabetes, etc.) are the ones who are most at risk from this virus.
 

asuran

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Your links don't show that older people aren't more at risk, just that young people are not immune. The basic premise hasn't changed - people over 70 along with those who have underlying health issues (diabetes, etc.) are the ones who are most at risk from this virus.
What I'm saying is that younger people are no less at risk of getting infected.

The main difference is the risk of dying from it.

Younger people do have a greater chance of surviving after getting infected. Tho they still go thru the stages and may have to suffer a bit thru it.
And we still don't have data on if there will be any long term damage after recovery.
 

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What I'm saying is that younger people are no less at risk of getting infected.

The main difference is the risk of dying from it.

Younger people do have a greater chance of surviving after getting infected. Tho they still go thru the stages and may have to suffer a bit thru it.
And we still don't have data on if there will be any long term damage after recovery.
For sure, everyone seems to have the same possibility of getting infected. For long term damage, some people at least are looking at permanent damage to their lungs if they ended up with pneumonia (which falls into the "mild" category for symptoms).
 

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The "older people are more at risk" is based on previous data from China and Italy where their population is generally older. Some even say the data from China may not be accurate.
Newer data from US, Canada and updated world data shows that is not really the case anymore.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...s-and-covid-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/health/young-people-dying-coronavirus-sanjay-gupta/index.html

https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/why-young-people-should-care-about-covid-19
That's the long term view. There is no way that anyone can say 'it's safe now to hobby'. When we hear the words 'the curve has flattened' , that is when we have to step up our game and be more vigilante. Seems people forget that SARS 2nd wave was much more deadlier than the 1st wave!
 

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What I'm saying is that younger people are no less at risk of getting infected.

The main difference is the risk of dying from it.
And it is the reason that older folks will be more cautious in the next year or so. Too much risk for reward - much higher than from BBFS :).
 

PrinceofWales

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Sorry if this offends some SWers and their syncophants.

Some uncomfortable facts:

The typical client earning a good salary of 100k works out to $55/hr or so. Before taxes. But many earn less.

SWers earn $200-300/hr, and up. Plus in-kind earnings like trips, shoes, meals, hotel rooms, and ad hoc help with rent and tuition.

Many SWers do not declare their earnings. As in, they do not pay taxes.

SWers post pictures of lavish lifestyles on social media, taking routine holidays to places that most clients would dream of.

Very few, if any, SWers are offering pre-paid sessions. They are instead asking for free cash donations. Why is this? Can many be trusted to make good on pre-payments when this blows over?

Essentially no SWers would help out clients if the situation were reversed. Clients did not ask for free sessions during the 2008 financial crash, and none were proffered.

Some SWers routinely denigrate their clients (“slobbyists”) on social media.

Just some perspective.
 

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It's also disturbing when members of boards hate on Massage Parlours and SW's who work in Spa's such a shame that some of those ladies have to hate on on the boards and some hobbiest who hate on them
 

asuran

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It's also disturbing when members of boards hate on Massage Parlours and SW's who work in Spa's such a shame that some of those ladies have to hate on on the boards and some hobbiest who hate on them
There'll always be radicals from either side of the fence who needs to express themselves.
Just need to keep things in perspective and use common sense.
 

Franz27

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I have no idea what you mean...




If you haven't seen this account before (and all the simps and/or fake accounts along with it), do yourself a favour and have a read.

https://twitter.com/ShitHobbyistSay/with_replies

It is very disturbing how some SWs spend their days hating and hating on clients. According to them, you absolutely cannot be a board member and be a Gentleman at the same time. Regardless of if you never negotiate, never fakebook, always arrive on time and clean, always respect boundaries, and so on. If you're a board member, you are a Slobbyists, it's black and white for them.

https://twitter.com/Antonanon3/status/1247719897246949376
That twitter account is bang on! Slobbyists ruin everything for decent dudes.
 

Jasmine Raine

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Have you not read anything I've said recently?!!?

Average escorts ranging in the 200 to 600 per hour are doing just fine. Do they make more then the clients? Possibly. Twitter gave us insight of the many luxury pics that is evident of thier success (vacation, exotic getaways, jewelry ect..). The average escort has cash reserve to last them months. Their focus now is to shift the session to online. Although not as popular now, but slowly it will gain momentum. Madison Winter is offering 350/hh skype dates
https://mobile.twitter.com/MadisonwinterTo/status/1246095097051086849 and we'll likely see more escorts follow in her steps. So the pandemic will hurt them but not by much. Although I can't never imagine myself doing this and find it awfully cringe, many men will resort to it. But that's not my concern! My concern is that after this is over, say in September, the demand for escorts will be so insatiable that the price for escorts will skyrocket! And I only have you to blame for it. You will be part of the many who go on binge spree that it will eventually lead to escorts raising prices and offering bbbjs as 60 to 80 extra! Is that what you want??!! They will make back the loss of income within a week! It's going to be insane! The ladies have nothing to fear. I hoped that this pandemic would minimize the amount of Johns in the future thus making escorting a niche market but this will only be the opposite! To answer all your questions at once - escorts will be fine in the short run, and prosper in the long run while clients suffer short and long!
I have learned that there are many "circles" of sex workers. It appears you are just thinking of one circle and that would be the $400-$600+ range. $200 escorts don't have luxury pics of handbags and jewelry, etc. They most likely don't have wads off cash saved up for months and they are not making $350/Skype dates. That's a different "circle" group of escorts.

Then there are the LL girls, agencies girls, part timers, tour only girls, etc. This is not even getting into the different provinces where things are different there as well. You can limit yourself to thinking of just one type of escort or if you do, you should make that clear.

There are many sex workers hurting right now. Many who have to work to put food on the table tonight. That is very real.

I don't think escorts prices will rise during the return. I think they will stay the same to be honest.
 

randall_stevens

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Sorry if this offends some SWers and their syncophants.

Some uncomfortable facts:

The typical client earning a good salary of 100k works out to $55/hr or so. Before taxes. But many earn less.

SWers earn $200-300/hr, and up. Plus in-kind earnings like trips, shoes, meals, hotel rooms, and ad hoc help with rent and tuition.

Many SWers do not declare their earnings. As in, they do not pay taxes.

SWers post pictures of lavish lifestyles on social media, taking routine holidays to places that most clients would dream of.

Very few, if any, SWers are offering pre-paid sessions. They are instead asking for free cash donations. Why is this? Can many be trusted to make good on pre-payments when this blows over?

Essentially no SWers would help out clients if the situation were reversed. Clients did not ask for free sessions during the 2008 financial crash, and none were proffered.

Some SWers routinely denigrate their clients (“slobbyists”) on social media.

Just some perspective.
I totally agree with this post... well said and true.

There may be a very few that offer clients a session before payment is made, but i hardly doubt that it happens very often, regardless of how well they know and trust each other.

I would NEVER ask a SW for an advance on a session, it's just not the right thing to do, and i've said before in other threads that it should be the same way.

Us hobbyists have to put our hard earned money aside to be with them when we can, and in my opinion its quite insulting that SW think just because they're a woman, they can take advantage of us, or beg for things.

This whole pandemic is and will be a severe lesson to all of us, that you have to be smarter with your money for cases like this.

We are all going through withdrawals right now, but we'll get through it.

I'm getting tired of all the begging I see on twitter. I've actually stopped following some, or muted them, cause i dont want to read it

To the people that either cave or want to do give them stuff for nothing in return, chances are you are getting screwed the wrong way, most say that you'll be rewarded, but dont count on it, they're despereate right now. Really think before you decide to do things like this. Probably not worth the attention from them saying "thank you, your the best", your just a sucker falling for a trap
 

StillROAMing

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I'm equally getting tired of all the begging I see on TERB of people trying to convince others on what not to do with their money. I'm not sure if it stems from whorephobia, misogyny, or both.
 

StillROAMing

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it's a lot worse on twitter, trust me!!!!
I'm sure it is, but those aren't the ones I'm helping and willing to help. I'm helping the ones I've gotten to know well who I know are struggling and are too shy or feel it's improper to ask for handouts. I'm not helping ladies who wear Gucci and drive a fancy car. Not all clients are created equally and not all providers are created equally.
 
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