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jcpro

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Except it's not just seniors.
You will have exceptions bucking the trends one way or the other. Tragic, but life and death often are.
 

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Yep, there are a lot a people out there who are not as fortunate as us.
1 SP visit can feed oneself for 3 weeks. That's 300 bucks.
 

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1 SP visit can feed oneself for 3 weeks. That's 300 bucks.
I'd rather get the Chines flu than subsist on $100/week at home. The quality of life is everything to me. I don't care for just surviving.
 

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And yet, you think(in another thread) that a lock down is a good idea. It's not. This virus spreads like a common cold. It cannot be contained without putting the WHOLE population into a solitary confinement. That means no movement outside of the doors of people's homes. Even with that in place- Italy being the example- the results are not promising as the Chinese virus spreads too easily. The answer is simple. Put all the healthcare resources into seniors and the people with the underlying conditions and let everyone else get back to work.
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It's not like the common cold or normal flu. The death rate is much higher. If they actually did a full shut down for 3-4 weeks I think you can get rid of it. It's fine if you think everything should be opened up and it's survival of the fittest but eventually it will kill someone you care about or that you are close to. If you are willing to make that trade then fine. It might even take you or damage your lungs to the point where you are never the same. I would be willing to give up life as I know it for 3-4 weeks to possibly save the ones I love. I don't agree with what's going on now, it's half assed, you either do a full lockdown or just let everyone loose, there is no in between. Wow, none of you guys could sit home for 3-4 weeks?
3-4 weeks I can do 3+ months most everyone would be in serious trouble
 

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And yet, you think(in another thread) that a lock down is a good idea. It's not. This virus spreads like a common cold. It cannot be contained without putting the WHOLE population into a solitary confinement. That means no movement outside of the doors of people's homes. Even with that in place- Italy being the example- the results are not promising as the Chinese virus spreads too easily. The answer is simple. Put all the healthcare resources into seniors and the people with the underlying conditions and let everyone else get back to work
So at the surface I thought this sounded like a good idea, but they are trying this in Sweden right now and it isnt really working.
New infections keep rising.

Link 1: https://www.france24.com/en/20200401-sweden-europe-s-lockdown-exception
Link 2: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

 

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Social unrest rising as Italy’s lockdown enters 4th week

ROME: As Italy enters its fourth week under lockdown, tensions are building across the poorest southern regions of Campania, Calabria, Sicily and Puglia as people run out of food and money.

The number of checkpoints has increased nationwide to discourage people from going out. But instead of staying home as required by the government, there have been reports of shop owners being pressured to give food for free, and police are patrolling supermarkets in some areas to stop thefts.

Small but vocal crowds of unemployed have gathered in front of city halls in the south, calling for financial help to buy food.

“Give us something, it’s tough,” read a sign protesters held up in the city of Messina. Police dispersed the crowd and identified some of the demonstrators.

“They haven’t been working for weeks as everything has stopped because of coronavirus. Now they have no money left to buy food, and they don’t qualify for state aid,” said a policeman, adding that some of his colleagues gave demonstrators sandwiches and cigarettes to calm them down.

Similar scenes were witnessed in the Naples and Bari hinterland. Investigators are concerned that this could be a visible sign that the situation is heating up, and are afraid that the mafia might take advantage.

The self-employed, and those working on contracts that do not guarantee social benefits provided by the government to help face the crisis, have lost their salaries. Many small businesses may never reopen.

The ramifications of the lockdown, which has been extended until after Easter, are also hitting badly the estimated 3.3 million people in Italy who were working off the books, of whom more than 1 million live in Campania, Sicily, Puglia and Calabria, according to the most recent figures from CGIA Mestre, a Venice-based small business association.

“A significant number of people live day to day, doing occasional jobs,” Emanuele Fiano, chief whip of the Democratic Party in the Italian Parliament, told Arab News. “There are also many shopkeepers, or professionals working for themselves, who may have moderate reserves that will run out the longer they’re in lockdown.”

Caritas, a Roman Catholic charity operating nationwide, said requests for food at its soup kitchens have increased by 50 percent since the lockdown was enforced.

Amid the brewing social unrest, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said €4.3 billion ($4.7 billion) from a solidarity fund would immediately be advanced to all municipalities, and an additional €400 million would go to mayors for conversion into food stamps. Private donations to charities have also increased in recent days.

But mayors have said the funds provided by the government so far, especially the €400 million for food vouchers, are insufficient.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1652166/world
 

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And yet, you think(in another thread) that a lock down is a good idea. It's not. This virus spreads like a common cold. It cannot be contained without putting the WHOLE population into a solitary confinement. That means no movement outside of the doors of people's homes. Even with that in place- Italy being the example- the results are not promising as the Chinese virus spreads too easily. The answer is simple. Put all the healthcare resources into seniors and the people with the underlying conditions and let everyone else get back to work.
Why do you insist on calling it that and not Covid-19 or what corona virus?

I'm just curious as to why people like you do that? Is it because you want to cause reactions or you are just racist? What is it?
 

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Why do you insist on calling it that and not Covid-19 or what corona virus?

I'm just curious as to why people like you do that? Is it because you want to cause reactions or you are just racist? What is it?
Two reasons. One- China must be held responsible for it and its campaign of misinformation and suppression. Two- it triggers the superficial snowflakes which is fun and saves time and makes them easy to ignore as it's a triviality compared to the thousand of corpses.
 

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no i am not a caged animal.
Neither am I but the fact that you aren't willing to even try says you're a selfish person and only care about yourself. Maybe you don't have people in your life that you care about. I don't know. If I was all alone in this world I would probably feel the same as you do.
 

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It's not about sitting at home, it is about what is being done to our country. If you can guarantee that the lock dow will last 30 days, that's one thing. But, you cannot and nobody else can either. It certainly did not work in China and they don't fuck around. And Europe is looking grim. I won't even dwell on the New York State.
No I can't but our country has been through much worse. We can always dig out of it. It takes time. You can lose a lot of things and recover like a job or money but if you lose your life that's one thing you can't recover.
 

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Neither am I but the fact that you aren't willing to even try says you're a selfish person and only care about yourself. Maybe you don't have people in your life that you care about. I don't know. If I was all alone in this world I would probably feel the same as you do.
no what i advocate is what Taiwan is doing only isolate those with covid19 and the those who are vulnerable without shutting everything down
 

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Two reasons. One- China must be held responsible for it and its campaign of misinformation and suppression. Two- it triggers the superficial snowflakes which is fun and saves time and makes them easy to ignore as it's a triviality compared to the thousand of corpses.
So it is to be an asshole. Ok. That is what I figured.

Thanks
 

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So it is to be an asshole. Ok. That is what I figured.

Thanks
Hey! You're welcome. Glad I can be of help. Being called an asshole for demanding justice is a small sacrifice, indeed.
 

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Is he wrong though?? Its a known fact China havent been honest and transparent about this virus from the beginning.

And the fact you get triggered by it is your problem
Exactly why I use it.
 

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Is he wrong though?? Its a known fact China havent been honest and transparent about this virus from the beginning.
Read this Jessica: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xtent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says

And the fact you get triggered by it is your problem.
I’m not triggered, call it what you want. I am more curious about the people who use the term and why. Not about the term itself.

And to be honest, if you believe it came from China, then you have to take into account the theft from Canada. Which would make us responsible, no?
 
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