You really back killing a family at home during a ceasefire is self defence?
According to the reports, there was not terrorist and the person they thought they were killing didn't even exist.
Yet here you are defending bombing a family.
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According to the reports, there was not terrorist and the person they thought they were killing didn't even exist.
Yet here you are defending bombing a family.
So now you're quoting reports that you think are wrong?Exactly the issue. ICHR automatically blames Israel even when the evidence clearly shows it was a Palestinian rocket.
Yes, they wrongly accused Israel before waiting for facts, just like you and franky.You forgot to mention that the source you cited earlier (Amnesty International) confirmed that it was an Israeli attack on the UN Human Rights office.
Progressive Except Palestine.
Killing the terrorist in charge of Islamic Jihad rockets is perfectly legitimate.You really back killing a family at home during a ceasefire is self defence?....
The accidental killing of a family that moved into an Islamic Jihad facility is not good. Israel typically makes a good effort to reduce civilian casualties and should be held accountable for their failure to do so in this case.
And all of your complaints about this is just hypocritical bullshit since you openly support Islamic Jihad and Hamas firing rockets randomly at Israeli cities.
Progressive Except Palestine. A run of the mill PEP.Killing the terrorist in charge of Islamic Jihad rockets is perfectly legitimate.
The accidental killing of a family that moved into an Islamic Jihad facility is not good. Israel typically makes a good effort to reduce civilian casualties and should be held accountable for their failure to do so in this case.
And all of your complaints about this is just hypocritical bullshit since you openly support Islamic Jihad and Hamas firing rockets randomly at Israeli cities.
Every Palestinian killed is justified to you, regardless of the situations, the age, the sex, whether they are armed or not, medics, journalists or legless protesters.Killing the terrorist in charge of Islamic Jihad rockets is perfectly legitimate.
The accidental killing of a family that moved into an Islamic Jihad facility is not good. Israel typically makes a good effort to reduce civilian casualties and should be held accountable for their failure to do so in this case.
And all of your complaints about this is just hypocritical bullshit since you openly support Islamic Jihad and Hamas firing rockets randomly at Israeli cities.
You backed shelling kids playing soccer on the beach in Gaza, I remember.
Your lies are pathetic, especially as you openly support Palestinians trying to kill random Jews.Every Palestinian killed is justified to you....
The PIJ head who was killed in the initial strike was a completely valid military target. But Israel did it so you think it's wrong while at the same time claiming Palestinians firing 300 kg rockets towards Israeli cities is self defense.
Killing the guy in charge of regular attacks on Israeli civilians is the definition of self defense. Palestinians firing rockets at Israeli cities is by definition a war crime.
You lie once again simply to distract from you openly praising the Palestinian right to commit war crimes.You backed shelling kids playing soccer on the beach in Gaza, I remember.
Your lies are pathetic, especially as you openly support Palestinians trying to kill random Jews.
The PIJ head who was killed in the initial strike was a completely valid military target. /QUOTE]
You just confirmed what I claimed as fact.
You support killing Palestinians every single time, no matter what the situation or if they are a family at home, kids on a beach, journalists, women or children.
How do you see yourself as morally any better than Hamas?
Yes, the targeting of a top military/terrorist leader inc charge of firing war crime rockets is a military strike. But sure, keep on complaining about a military strike while supporting the "right" of Palestinians to attack random civilians.Your lies are pathetic, especially as you openly support Palestinians trying to kill random Jews.
The PIJ head who was killed in the initial strike was a completely valid military target. /QUOTE]
You just confirmed what I claimed as fact.
You support killing Palestinians every single time, no matter what the situation or if they are a family at home, kids on a beach, journalists, women or children.
How do you see yourself as morally any better than Hamas?
You are to Palestinians what Bedwetter is to Muslims.Yes, the targeting of a top military/terrorist leader inc charge of firing war crime rockets is a military strike. But sure, keep on complaining about a military strike while supporting the "right" of Palestinians to attack random civilians.
PEP Progressive Except Palestine.
There was no such person, Israeli intel was wrong and they killed an entire family.Yes, the targeting of a top military/terrorist leader inc charge of firing war crime rockets is a military strike. But sure, keep on complaining about a military strike while supporting the "right" of Palestinians to attack random civilians.
Yet here you are defending killing children again.
Every time a Palestinian is killed, you cheer and defend it here.
You are so clueless. Is your trying to pretend that Baha Abu al-Ata was not the Islamic Jihad head responsible for rocket fire part of your claims that there are no Palestinian terrorists?There was no such person,...
p.s. Funny that someone who defends Palestinian terror attacks is saying someone else cheers deaths. the more shrill your accusations become, the more obvious your arguments have no moral basis.
Actually would be a better description of you and Franky who are obsessively posting about Israel. Do you also think Palestinian rockets fired towards Israeli cities are somehow self defense?...
You are to Palestinians what Bedwetter is to Muslims.
PEP Progressive Except Palestine.
There are lots of Palestinian war criminals, those who use rockets that are war crimes because they can't be aimed only at military targets.You are so clueless. Is your trying to pretend that Baha Abu al-Ata was not the Islamic Jihad head responsible for rocket fire part of your claims that there are no Palestinian terrorists?
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You, however, refuse to make the distinction between terrorist and war criminal, instead your use of those terms are always based on race, not actions.
So for you, all Palestinians are terrorists while the worst an Israeli can be is a war criminal in principal, though never in practice as you say every Palestinian killed is justified.
Just more examples of your racist beliefs, really.
But in this case you went one step further and now defend killing an entire Palestinian family while they sat at home and claim it was all justified because they thought was some imaginary terrorist.
This really is a new low in defending killing children for you, basketcase.
They are war crimes since they can't be aimed only at military targets.Actually would be a better description of you and Franky who are obsessively posting about Israel. Do you also think Palestinian rockets fired towards Israeli cities are somehow self defense?
Unlike Israeli missiles, which when they destroy families at home we know its done with intent since they have much better intel and weapons.
When Israel commits war crimes by firing rockets at Palestinians during times of cease fires, why do you call that self defence yet refuse that term to Palestinians responding to Israeli attacks?
You are such a pud. You relied upon this article in another thread. Obviously you didn’t read it all the way through. Embarrassing but par for the course with you.You are so clueless. Is your trying to pretend that Baha Abu al-Ata was not the Islamic Jihad head responsible for rocket fire part of your claims that there are no Palestinian terrorists?
p.s. Funny that someone who defends Palestinian terror attacks is saying someone else cheers deaths. the more shrill your accusations become, the more obvious your arguments have no moral basis.
You make Bedwetter look scholarly. PEP Progressive Except Palestine.
No One in Israel Knew They Were Committing a Massacre, and They Didn't Care
Gideon Levy
17.11.2019 | 01:45
The bomber pilot didn’t know. His commanders who gave him the orders also didn’t know. The defense minister and the commander in chief didn’t know. Nor did the commander of the air force. The intelligence officers who aimed at the target didn’t know. The army spokesman who lied without a qualm also didn’t know.
None of our heroes knew. The ones who always know everything suddenly didn’t know. The ones who can track down the son of a wanted man in a Damascus suburb didn’t know that sleeping inside their miserable hovel in Dir al-Balah was an impoverished family.
They, who serve in the most moral army and the most advanced intelligence services in the world, didn’t know that the flimsy tin shack had long since stopped being part of the “Islamic Jihad infrastructure,” and it’s doubtful that it ever was. They didn’t know and they didn’t bother to check — after all, what’s the worst that could happen?
Reporter Yaniv Kubovich revealed the shocking truth on Friday on the Haaretz website : The target had not been re-examined for at least one year prior to the strike, the individual who was supposedly its target never existed and the intelligence was based on rumors. The bomb was dropped anyway. The result: eight bodies in colorful shrouds, some of them horrifically tiny, all in a row; members of a single extended family, the Asoarkas, five of them children — including two infants.
Had they been Israeli citizens, the state would have moved heaven and earth to avenge the blood of its famous little boy, and the world would have reeled in shock at the cruelty of Palestinian terror. But Moad Mohamed Asoarka was only a 7-year-old Palestinian boy who lived and died in a tin shack, with no present and no future, whose life was as cheap and as brief as that of a butterfly; his killer was a celebrated pilot.
It was a massacre. No one will be punished for it. “The target bank had not been updated,” army officials said. (After Yaniv Kubovich’s investigation was published, the IDF Spokesman released another statement, “The building was confirmed as a target several days before the attack.”) But this massacre was worse than the targeted killing of Salah Shehada, and it was greeted by a more-sickening indifference in Israel.
On July 22, 2002, an Israel Air Force pilot dropped a one-ton bomb on a residential neighborhood that killed 16 people, including an actual wanted man. Before dawn Thursday, a pilot dropped a much smarter bomb, a JDAM, on a tin shack in which no wanted man was hiding.
It turned out that even the wanted man named by an army spokesman was a figment of his imagination. The only ones there were women, children and innocent men sleeping in the dread of the Gaza night. In both cases, the Israel Defense Forces used the same lie: We thought the building was empty. “The IDF is still trying to understand what the family was doing at the site,” was the brazen, chillingly laconic response, which suggested the family was to blame. Indeed, what were they doing there, Wasim, 13; Mohand, 12 and the two babies whose names have not been announced.
The day after the killings of Shehada and 15 of his neighbors, and after the IDF continued to claim their homes were “unoccupied shacks,” I went to the site of the bombing, the Daraj neighborhood in Gaza City. Not shacks but apartment buildings, a few stories high, all of them densely populated, like every home in Gaza. Mohammed Matar, who had worked in Israel for 30 years, lay prostrate on the floor, his arm and his eyes bandaged, amid the ruins, next to the enormous crater made by the explosion. His daughter, his daughter-in-law and four of his grandchildren died in the blast; three of his children were injured. “Why did they do this to us?” he asked me, in shock. Back then, 27 of the IAF’s most courageous pilots signed the so-called pilots letter, refusing to take part in operations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. This time, not a single pilot has refused to participate, and it’s doubtful any will do so in the future.
“Human beings. They are human beings. There was a battle here – nurses and doctors against death,” wrote the courageous Norwegian physician Dr. Mads Gilbert, who rushes to the aid of residents of the Gaza Strip whenever it is bombed, treating the wounded with infinite dedication. Gilbert attached a photograph of the operating theater in Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital: blood on the table, blood on the floor, blood-soaked bedding everywhere. On Thursday the blood of the Asoarka family was added, crying out now to ears that will not listen.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-no-one-in-the-israel-knew-they-were-committing-a-massacre-and-they-didn-t-care-1.8133763
And you keep supporting the Palestinian 'right' to commit these war crimes fired at civilian teargets while saying it is bad for Israel to target terrorist leaders. Hmm.They are war crimes since they can't be aimed only at military targets.
Unlike Israeli missiles, which when they destroy families at home we know its done with intent since they have much better intel and weapons....
And that is the guy Israel killed. It is obvious that your support for Palestinian war criminals is based on a belief that anything that harms Israel or Israelis is good.There are lots of Palestinian war criminals, those who use rockets that are war crimes because they can't be aimed only at military targets.....
You also lie once again. This guy was a terrorist. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are terrorist entities (as defined by Canada). Most Palestinians are not. Sadly Gaza is led by terrorist entities that also routinely steal from the poor to further their agenda of personal power and killing Jews.
Just another case where you know you have no moral or logical argument and instead fall back to shrill accusations.
And insults are more proof you have nothing to say.You are such a pud. You relied upon this article in another thread. Obviously you didn’t read it all the way through. Embarrassing but par for the course with you. ....
That article, an op-ed from a very anti-establishments Israeli, confirms Israel targeted what they had previously listed as a PIJ site. They screwed up by not re-verifying their old information and didn't realize that PIJ officer let his brothers family move in.
Why is it that you are so upset when Israel screws up but have absolutely no problem with PIJ or Hamas intentionally trying to kill civilians?
The murder of 8 innocent Palestinians, including 5 children is nothing but a “screw up” to you.And insults are more proof you have nothing to say.
That article, an op-ed from a very anti-establishments Israeli, confirms Israel targeted what they had previously listed as a PIJ site. They screwed up by not re-verifying their old information and didn't realize that PIJ officer let his brothers family move in.
Why is it that you are so upset when Israel screws up but have absolutely no problem with PIJ or Hamas intentionally trying to kill civilians?
You sound like a JDL member or a Son of Odin. Different ethnicities have different worth to people like you.
PEP Progressive Except Palestine.
