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slurp said:
never give up hope Frankie, it's all you got!
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Hey Slurpee, first one to lose a job over Ukraine!

Ukraine envoy resigns amid scandal driving impeachment
Kurt Volker was a well-regarded career diplomat trying to solve one of the world’s hottest conflicts. Then he met with Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
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https://www.politico.com

Oh, and it looks like while Trump locked away the Ukraine transcript and allowed the rough transcript out, Trump wouldn't even release the MBS and Putin rough transcripts.
Those ones went straight to the vault.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/white-...s-with-putin-and-saudi-crown-prince-1.4614815

More to come.
 
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Speaker Pelosi: "I moved on him like a bitch. I don't even ask, I just start impeaching. And when you're the Speaker of the House, they let you do it."
 
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Here's How Donald Trump Ended Up Referencing A Russian-Promoted 4chan Conspiracy Theory In His Call To The Ukrainian President:

One large 4chan thread was titled “HAPPENING: CROWDSTRIKE SERVER RELEASE IMMINENT,” another, “What is CrowdStrike, and why does their server seem to be important?” and another, “ULTIMATE HAPPENING: Trump mentions CROWDSTRIKE in Transcript release, Tied to DNC server & Seth Rich.”
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/crowdstrike-4chan-qanon-conspiracy-theory
 
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Boober69 said:
For the sake of democracy, let's respect democratic elections and the office of the President.

It's amazing to me how many leftists love freedom and democracy...until they don't like someone or get their way.
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We did, until Trump shit all over them. He has desecrated the office. The impeachment process is part of that democratic system and Trump richly deserves that dishonour.
 
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khufu said:
From Judge Napolitano, "the die in the wool liberal" of Fox News

https://www.creators.com/read/judge-napolitano

"Can the president of the United States legally ask a foreign government to provide assistance to his reelection? In a word: No.

What was that crime? It was the attempt to solicit foreign assistance for his campaign. It was the manipulation of American foreign and military policy for a corrupt purpose. A corrupt purpose puts the president personally above the needs of the nation.

There is no such wiggle room for bribery. The Constitution is quite clear that "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" shall constitute a basis for impeachment.

Was Trump offering to bribe the Ukrainian president? The circumstantial evidence is: Yes. The transcript of Trump's critical conversation with the Ukrainian president shows he asked his counterpart to coordinate with American authorities to prosecute the son of his likely political opponent in 2020. That is the solicitation of something of value from a foreign government — a felony.

Within a week of that conversation, Trump put his hold on the $390 million in aid. That's when the Ukrainian president got the message."
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I suggest you read the transcript of the call yourself instead of having angry at Trump Nap "translate" it for you. The Shokin statement is also available as well as the open statements by the President of Ukraine. Napolitano is full of shit if he can read the quid pro quo into the conversation between the two presidents.
 
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jcpro said:
I suggest you read the transcript of the call yourself instead of having angry at Trump Nap "translate" it for you. The Shokin statement is also available as well as the open statements by the President of Ukraine. Napolitano is full of shit if he can read the quid pro quo into the conversation between the two presidents.
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'I have a favour to ask' Trump said after mentioning how much the US supports Ukraine.
 
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khufu said:
I have read the transcript of the call and the whistleblower complaint cover to cover. Did you read where Trump asked for a favour for investigation into Hunter Biden? That alone is a crime. Oh, I get it. Donald Trump once said he could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot someone and he wouldn’t lose any votes. I see you are one of the many dummies he was referring to who will say it was self defense.
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"All executive power is vested in the president" - that's the law. Trump, as a chief enforcement officer of the United States has the right, if he so chooses, to initiate investigations and to conduct international policy. Asking a foreign leader or entity to cooperate in the matter concerning a US citizen(s) is not against the law and it never has been. Obama's DOJ did exactly the same thing when it used Ukrainian assets to look into Manafort. Nation states do this all the time, we even have treaties of mutual cooperation to pursue illegal activities across boarders.
 
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jcpro said:
"All executive power is vested in the president" - that's the law. Trump, as a chief enforcement officer of the United States has the right, if he so chooses, to initiate investigations and to conduct international policy. Asking a foreign leader or entity to cooperate in the matter concerning a US citizen(s) is not against the law and it never has been. Obama's DOJ did exactly the same thing when it used Ukrainian assets to look into Manafort. Nation states do this all the time, we even have treaties of mutual cooperation to pursue illegal activities across boarders.
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And congress has the power to impeach should that president use that power for personal gain instead of for the good of the country.
 
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Frankfooter said:
And congress has the power to impeach should that president use that power for personal gain instead of for the good of the country.
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That is indeed the issue, the purpose and motivation of the act. Kings and rulers have always been free of the ordinary constraints of laws and their enforcement because of the high responsibilities of their office and the needs of the state. We citizens have no other option but to accept that, and trust they will use that unrestrained power honourably in our collective interest, not venally in their own. It's beyond human powers to draft laws and rules for heads of state and government so specific that they could ever define the line between right and wrong in every case that arises.

Instead we provide a means to remove them if need be, cross our fingers, close our eyes and hope we never have to use it. But every now and then, along comes a ruler who just hasn't got what it takes to see the line that separates what's good for the country from the thing they want for their own benefit.

Rulers have lost their heads making mistakes like that.
 
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khufu said:
The president of the United States is prohibited from using the power of his office to his benefit. The emoluments clause (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) provides that "no person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

Donald Trump specifically asked Zelensky for a favour - a thing of value - being an investigation that would benefit him. Seems you and other Trump supporters subscribe to the Nixon statement that it is not illegal when the president does it, which is tantamount to saying democracy is non-existent.
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Except that, based on the transcript of the call, there's no indication of a personal benefit, implied or otherwise. That's why Trump released it so quickly. Even the political connection is phony as no one in the right mind expects Uncle Joe to win the Democratic primaries. The Democrats and their army of the useful idiots want to remove Trump and invalidate the votes of 63 million Americans because they have no agenda to run on.
 
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jcpro said:
Except that, based on the transcript of the call, there's no indication of a personal benefit, implied or otherwise.
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Trump asked for a favour, for Ukraine to investigate Biden for personal gain on his political campaign.
 
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jcpro said:
Except that, based on the transcript of the call, there's no indication of a personal benefit, implied or otherwise. That's why Trump released it so quickly. Even the political connection is phony as no one in the right mind expects Uncle Joe to win the Democratic primaries. The Democrats and their army of the useful idiots want to remove Trump and invalidate the votes of 63 million Americans because they have no agenda to run on.
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Yea how could anyone consider getting dirt about one's main political rival something of value. And it was so worthless that he sent his personal lawyer to Ukraine and it now turns out he had 2 other lawyers working on the same thing.
 
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toguy5252 said:
Yea how could anyone consider getting dirt about one's main political rival something of value. And it was so worthless that he sent his personal lawyer to Ukraine and it now turns out he had 2 other lawyers working on the same thing.
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And don't forget, Barr's in Italy digging into Mifsud.
 
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jcpro said:
Except that, based on the transcript of the call, there's no indication of a personal benefit, implied or otherwise. That's why Trump released it so quickly. Even the political connection is phony as no one in the right mind expects Uncle Joe to win the Democratic primaries. The Democrats and their army of the useful idiots want to remove Trump and invalidate the votes of 63 million Americans because they have no agenda to run on.
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If Trump is removed from office, then his Vice-President (the guy who bagged the evangelical vote for the pussy-grabber) takes over, and those 63 million votes are as good as they ever were (at least until Trump dishonoured them all, by the high crimes and misdemeanours that got him impeached).

The votes that were invalidated were those of the 66 million, who voted for Clinton only to have their majority undone as if it didn't exist by a mere 304 electors who no one voted for at all. That was back on Election Night.

That's how invalidation is done.
 
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