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Doug Ford Says Mentally Ill Criminals Should Be In Jails, Not Hospitals

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08/09/2019 15:51 EDT

Doug Ford Says Mentally Ill Criminals Should Be In Jails, Not Hospitals

He doubled down on previous comments about a missing mental health detainee that were heavily criticized.

Allison Jones Canadian Press

KITCHENER, Ont. — Ontario’s premier said Friday that people with mental illness who commit crimes should be in jail, calling a patient who had been detained at a mental health hospital for killing his roommate an “animal.”

Doug Ford teed off for a second time on the case of Zhebin Cong, who was found not criminally responsible for killing his roommate with a meat cleaver in 2014.

Cong, who has schizophrenia, was an in-patient at the secured forensic unit of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto but failed to return on July 3 from an unaccompanied trip into the community. City police have said he has left the country.

Last month Ford called into a talk radio show to discuss the incident, calling the man a “nutcase.” The premier was criticized for that language and when asked Friday if he regrets it, he said not at all.

“It’s about time politicians stop hiding behind podiums and being politically correct,” Ford said. “He grabbed a meat cleaver and chopped up his roommate ... just imagine if it was your daughter that this animal chopped up.”

Ford said federal laws need to be tougher to deal with people like Cong.

“We’ve got to put these people away and if they have mental health issues they can be dealt with in jail — simple as that,” he said. “I’m passionate about helping people who have true mental illness ... Stop sympathizing with axe-wielding murderers and all this bleeding heart stuff.”

Reviews underway

CAMH has announced an external review of procedures for granting passes and privileges as several patients have managed to walk away recently. An internal review is also underway.

The hospital has defended the use of community passes, describing them as an important part of the care a patient receives and that supports rehabilitation and recovery.

When people are found not criminally responsible because of mental illness, review boards manage their cases.

The independent tribunals made up of at least five people, including at least one psychiatrist, can order that the person remain detained in a hospital, with varying levels of privileges, release the person on a conditional discharge or order an absolute discharge, based on risk.

The review board system lets people found not criminally responsible into the community once they’re deemed ready for short periods of time under close supervision to see how well they can cope. If they do well, they can be granted more privileges at subsequent hearings, step by step.

If they don’t fare well, the review board pulls the reins of supervision a little tighter.

In Cong’s case, police have said CAMH told them Cong presented a low risk to public safety, but the review board said in its most recent decision in April that he continued to pose a significant threat to public safety.

Toronto police are also conducting a review.

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/doug-ford-animal-mentally-ill-hospital-jail_ca_5d4dbdb7e4b0fd2733f0188a
 

rhuarc29

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While I don't believe they should be in jail, I also don't believe mental illness should be a defense against being criminally responsible for a crime. Let them serve their time in a hospital.
 

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While I don't believe they should be in jail, I also don't believe mental illness should be a defense against being criminally responsible for a crime. Let them serve their time in a hospital.
While I can't agree with that simplistic answer, it certainly beats the Preem's arrant stupidity: "… if they have mental health issues they can be dealt with in jail", as if prison was a therapeutic environment, not a place of punishment.
 

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Doug Ford Says Mentally Ill Criminals Should Be In Jails, Not Hospitals
I agree, if the person is a criminal and insane he should be locked up in a jail that deals with mental illness.
 

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I see a huge difference between mental illness that can be acted on vs. one that can't. For someone who can improve or change their ways of thinking, I would like to see them have the opportunity to show they are no longer a risk and then be expected to make a contribution to society before moving on. Those with conditions that are chronic are a different story but our current prison system is not capable of dealing with Hannibal Lecter or Jeffrey Dahmer.

And I can't see Ford making the investment in new prisons for the criminally insane so they would simply be dumped into the general population and become even more of a risk to correctional officers and other prisoners.
 

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I see a huge difference between mental illness that can be acted on vs. one that can't. For someone who can improve or change their ways of thinking, I would like to see them have the opportunity to show they are no longer a risk and then be expected to make a contribution to society before moving on. Those with conditions that are chronic are a different story but our current prison system is not capable of dealing with Hannibal Lecter or Jeffrey Dahmer.

And I can't see Ford making the investment in new prisons for the criminally insane so they would simply be dumped into the general population and become even more of a risk to correctional officers and other prisoners.
So where is Paul Bernardo and the rest of his ilk if the present system can't handle them?
 

basketcase

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So where is Paul Bernardo and the rest of his ilk if the present system can't handle them?
Last I checked, Bernardo is already in jail and was never found mentally incapable of standing trial. Got a better example?
 

Butler1000

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Last I checked, Bernardo is already in jail and was never found mentally incapable of standing trial. Got a better example?
Point being Cong imo the minute he butchered his roommate should have been locked up the same way.

There is mentally ill and violently mentally ill.
 
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