Meeting female civilians is a waste of time

[Goodoer]

These threads depress me and make me worry about my boys... I hate seeing men give up.

Social Skills, Fitness/Appearance, Education and Work Ethic are your sequential goals to master (or come close to mastering). If you excel in each category, your mate selection improves (just like the inverse will limit your options). The order of mastery is linked with age. Young men who are good looking and can talk to women will get the women. An 18 year old hot piece of ass may not care about Education or Work Ethic when young as she just wants to get stuffed by a muscular guy who's fun. This makes complete sense and applies to men and women (and can probably be demonstrated throughout the animal kingdom).

Guys may have success while younger or older... It all depends. If you lack Social Skills and Fitness/Appearance, then you're playing a 'long-game' and will have to wait while womens' priorities change (if they do). She might have kids already as she's been fucked by the better physical specimen.

SPs should never replace relationships. TERB should be about guys(/girls?) complaining that our SO's have gone cold to sex, yet we're all still DTF! Or about horny guys that want to fuck everything.

The young guys cannot give up as you need marriage (and kids) to really open your eyes to life.

I type this entire response with my dick in my hand... I hope you're all impressed!

 

[Goodoer]

PS - Socializing (and the attempt to do so) with the person of your 'interest' is one of the greatest experiences in life. It can offer more excitement and joy compared to slamming the box of an SP - no matter how hot that SP is.

Don't give the fuck up!!!

 

[frankcastle]

Couple concerns.

You seem wrapped up in looks.

A partner is more than just a set of tits.

Hobbying and dating are for 2 different things. Dont confuse the 2.

Whats right for you is up to you.

I think PUA is retarded. People are better served improving themselves rsther than their sales pitch.

You could spend your time trying to convince someone a shitty house is a fixer upper with potential. Or you could put the time into making the house as nice as possible recognizing where your time is best served....eg nice floor or kitchen and dont worry about crown molding.

Choosing improvements that you will be happy with regardless of whether you get a date out of it.

Also online dating is much better than cold calling chicks with your pua skills. Sticking with real estate your chances improve approaching interested people rather than random people.

It sounds like you want to convince yourself that you made the right choice. We cant determine that for you.

 

[coolmorrisguy]

Hello folks

I am new to the forum, so hello to everyone! This thread got my attention because all of us at one time had to deal with rejection, losing the girl to the jerk, circumstances, whatever. I am confident, normal looking and no issues with meeting women and getting laid. I don't always succeed but I am ok. I hobby because of the headache. I absolutely HATE dating. It all feels like a job interview to me and I have to sit there and pretend to listen to these women who for the most part have jack S&&& to say. Think about it, when was the last time you sat down and had a super intellectual conversation with a chick and was blown away by it?

So for me Hobbying is just an honest way to get right down to business and save me time. I have no desire to date you, get to know you, pretend to listen to your low-iq conversations and pay for you. My 2 cents.

 

[Spacealien2]

Good men wouldn't stand for any women's bullshit - there are other options.

Recently a girl I started getting to know gave me an attitude, she thought she's really special (she's really not that special) and demanded me to treat her like a princess. I pretty much dumped her and looked else where. Shame, her good side was a really nice person.

I also disagree that Canadian women are aloof. Some are. But a lot of the times I can have a nice short conversation with women on the street.

 

[Big Rig]

When I was a truck driver - I have gotten out of that exploitative profession- I would write threads on meeting women on the road.

The first thing you have to do is learn to love yourself. Be a gent. Dress neatly and look for signals of interest from her and do not let rejection bother you, which will not if you truly like yourself.

Stay far away from PUA crap and just be yourself

I discovered that MDMA is great in learning how to love yourself. The issue is where to get it then use it in the proper setting. I met a sitter who would give me the real stuff then sit with me while I tripped on it. It was, and remains , a wonderful experience in self growth.

I tripped on it yesterday then listened to classical music. I felt I was composing it, which I was in a sense as I was composing my own experience. I truly heard music for the first time. Totally awesome and incredibly beautiful

It will soon be legal for therapists to use as they are in phase 3 studies which are the last step before legalization.


I hope that helps

 

[out4fun]

When I was a truck driver - I have gotten out of that exploitative profession- I would write threads on meeting women on the road.

The first thing you have to do is learn to love yourself. Be a gent. Dress neatly and look for signals of interest from her and do not let rejection bother you, which will not if you truly like yourself.

Stay far away from PUA crap and just be yourself

I discovered that MDMA is great in learning how to love yourself. The issue is where to get it then use it in the proper setting. I met a sitter who would give me the real stuff then sit with me while I tripped on it. It was, and remains , a wonderful experience in self growth.

I tripped on it yesterday then listened to classical music. I felt I was composing it, which I was in a sense as I was composing my own experience. I truly heard music for the first time. Totally awesome and incredibly beautiful

It will soon be legal for therapists to use as they are in phase 3 studies which are the last step before legalization.


I hope that helps

So you love yourself when you take hallucinogens?

 

[frankcastle]

When I was a truck driver - I have gotten out of that exploitative profession- I would write threads on meeting women on the road.

The first thing you have to do is learn to love yourself. Be a gent. Dress neatly and look for signals of interest from her and do not let rejection bother you, which will not if you truly like yourself.

Stay far away from PUA crap and just be yourself

I discovered that MDMA is great in learning how to love yourself. The issue is where to get it then use it in the proper setting. I met a sitter who would give me the real stuff then sit with me while I tripped on it. It was, and remains , a wonderful experience in self growth.

I tripped on it yesterday then listened to classical music. I felt I was composing it, which I was in a sense as I was composing my own experience. I truly heard music for the first time. Totally awesome and incredibly beautiful

It will soon be legal for therapists to use as they are in phase 3 studies which are the last step before legalization.


I hope that helps

MDMA helped me get over my self conscious feelings about dancing in public.... insert youtube video of peoole crab walking and grinding teeth at a rave lol.

But seriously it left me with a new found sense of self.

And no, i dont need it or use it these days.

 

[explorerzip]

Hello folks

I am new to the forum, so hello to everyone! This thread got my attention because all of us at one time had to deal with rejection, losing the girl to the jerk, circumstances, whatever. I am confident, normal looking and no issues with meeting women and getting laid. I don't always succeed but I am ok. I hobby because of the headache. I absolutely HATE dating. It all feels like a job interview to me and I have to sit there and pretend to listen to these women who for the most part have jack S&&& to say. Think about it, when was the last time you sat down and had a super intellectual conversation with a chick and was blown away by it?

So for me Hobbying is just an honest way to get right down to business and save me time. I have no desire to date you, get to know you, pretend to listen to your low-iq conversations and pay for you. My 2 cents.

When's the last time you had a super intellectual conversation with anyone let alone women? Remember that conversation is a two-way exchange so we have to question our own interpersonal skills. Even if you're only seeing escorts you still have to be able to converse even if it's just saying what you want or don't want.

Truth is that most people have little in their lives that is interesting. Most of us work in a job we either hate or tolerate, watch the same TV shows, movies, eat the same food, travel to the same places, etc.

Assuming you're dating for a relationship, marriage, children, etc then why shouldn't it be like an interview? You are going to be spending lots and lots of time, energy and money with this person. If that's your objective then you have to go through that process.

 

[superstar_88]

His only objective was to get laid. Conversation was the work required to get there. Very few civilian women would have sex with you unless you engage in at least some conversation. You can't just flash your open wallet at a woman.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Hello folks

I am new to the forum, so hello to everyone! This thread got my attention because all of us at one time had to deal with rejection, losing the girl to the jerk, circumstances, whatever. I am confident, normal looking and no issues with meeting women and getting laid. I don't always succeed but I am ok. I hobby because of the headache. I absolutely HATE dating. It all feels like a job interview to me and I have to sit there and pretend to listen to these women who for the most part have jack S&&& to say. Think about it, when was the last time you sat down and had a super intellectual conversation with a chick and was blown away by it?

So for me Hobbying is just an honest way to get right down to business and save me time. I have no desire to date you, get to know you, pretend to listen to your low-iq conversations and pay for you. My 2 cents.

Stole most of the words out of my mouth. The job interview for a job you don't want. If I want to listen to self involved bullshit I will engage with a civilian.

 

[JuanGoodman]

Stole most of the words out of my mouth. The job interview for a job you don't want. If I want to listen to self involved bullshit I will engage with a civilian.

I agree, I also think that it's even worse than that. When you meet someone for the first time, you are not really meeting them. You are meeting their representative. It only gets worse from there.

 

[Big Rig]

So you love yourself when you take hallucinogens?

You go through an integration process where you keep this new found discovery of self. Some people only use it once and that is enough for them. Others keep going back. It is a personal journey

Ayahuasca is another journey that some use. It is fascinating and is being finally being studied after years of neglect

 

[out4fun]

You go through an integration process where you keep this new found discovery of self. Some people only use it once and that is enough for them. Others keep going back. It is a personal journey

Ayahuasca is another journey that some use. It is fascinating and is being finally being studied after years of neglect

Thanks for explaining. I wasn’t judging your statement, but it just had me curious.

 

[Combat Shock]

Some people should invest the money they spend on this hobby to get some actual therapy and work on themselves.

 

[Smallcock]

Understand that most people meet their long term partner at work, at school, or thru friends. So, the whole chatting up a strange chick for a relationship happens but it's less common than other means. If the 80/20 was rule wasn't scientifically proven, women would deny that they're so shallow, but since science confirms that they are, unless you're in the top 20, approaching strange women is unlikely to lead to success, unless you lower your expectations and can be content with 5s or less.

So, you're looking at finding a relationship with 20% of the female population since the other 80% are chasing men on top of the social ladder. Of that 20%, many will be too young or too old for you. Many will be in relationships already with men who are of commensurate quality. You will find most of them sexually unattractive. Many of them have personality disorders that make it impossible for you to have a relationship with. 5% of them will be fiercely career oriented and have no interest in you or any other man. 90% of them have already had every STI you can think of (because they've had to put out a lot to compete with their more attractive peers). The point is that your pool of potential female partners is very small. Go to the Third World and flash your money if you want a relationship. It's too time consuming otherwise. You'll hook up with a cutie ready to settle down, who won't love you, but neither do the girls back home. Don't bring her back home because she will leave you once she has options. Many men are very content with this lifestyle. This partnership of necessity has been the bedrock for most relationships throughout all of human history.

Cheer up.

 

[frankcastle]

Lets keep things in perspective.....saying you want to hobby instead of date is going to get a biased answer. Of course people will support that idea.

What i cant support is the idea that the datibg pool is tiny.

Im in my 40s and most people i know have been in or are in relationships.

Saying the pool is small or that women are picky or that people are not friendly is just excuses to make themselves feel better.

Also theres this false belief that every guy deserves a woman. Sorry but some of us are just not datable......just look at yhe trash some people post regularly.

 

[Goodoer]

The greater chance for reality is that majority of women realize how life works and are looking for a good partner as well.

Life nowadays cannot be this different as it was in my younger days... You'd go out into the night, hit a bar and scope chicks. You'd ogle the hot and slutty chick dancing, but you'd go back to the bar to get another drink, you'd see a nice looking lady who's not as outgoing, but has a nice smile... A friend/acquaintance would be around, you'd engage in conversation and involve her and ask questions, tell jokes, etc. She gives off signs of interest and you go from there. If you kept think about the dancing chick, you're not going to do well.

Get out there, make friends, show you care about others and live life. Shit will happen eventually. If you're alone and pulling PUA tricks, you're fucked. If you're in an environment where where superficiality reigns and you're not playing ball or looking like you can play ball, you're fucked. Stay the fuck away.

To me this all makes sense.

 

[Goodoer]

If it helps, my biggest regrets in life were (and may continue to be) staying in relationships that don't really work as they should. I realize that my exes and wife may feel the exact same way as I do. I wish I took even more chances.

Never once did I feel the absolute hopelessness that the younger people seem to be caught with...

 

[jackal2006]

I understand it sounds grim but unless you've recently been out there trying to find a girlfriend you won't realize how much things have changed. It's really 80% of the women chasing the men at the 20%.

I think personally I am headed towards two areas in my life like others. I will likely have to figure out how to live my life alone forever if stuck here. It's ok now but what worries me is when I'm a senior. If I don't have enough money to pay people to care for me I don't know what I will do. The other idea is maybe I will ha e to survive a lonely life here and then hopefully retire abroad and maybe find someone to share my last ten or so years of life. I know it seems like shit to finally find someone late in life but what else can be done? It seems women don't want average not rich guys like me and others.

My biggest regrets will be my parents not seeing my children, not having children en, and having to live a lonely life because I live in this city in this time.

Thanks