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Where you refuse to answer the question. Either you think Hamas rockets are illegal and target civilians or do you still claim they are legitimate self defense. I know you won't answer because either you expose yourself as a fraud on human rights or you turn your back on your ideology.


Do you think Israeli rockets are illegal and target civilians or do you think they are legitimate self defence?
It's strange that even after Hamas admits and celebrates that they are trying to kill any Jewish Israeli you still make excuses for them but you get upset when Israel specifically targets Hamas/Islamic Jihad fighters after warning the civilians to leave.

You have never given any evidence that shows Israel is intentionally trying to kill random civilians. In fact the evidence shows Israel trying to avoid civilian casualties. Israel hitting a Hamas rocket team in the process of launching is 100% self defense. Israel hitting a Hamas facility is a legitimate act of war. But you continually pretend that Hamas fighters are somehow civilians
 

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You have never given any evidence that shows Israel is intentionally trying to kill random civilians. In fact the evidence shows Israel trying to avoid civilian casualties. Israel hitting a Hamas rocket team in the process of launching is 100% self defense. Israel hitting a Hamas facility is a legitimate act of war. But you continually pretend that Hamas fighters are somehow civilians
I've given you multiple reports stating that Israel is targeting and killing civilians.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...d-to-shoot-to-kill-in-gaza-even-10223427.html
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...s-on-civilians-reprehensible-and-unjustified/
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-re...st-not-lead-repeat-unlawful-attacks-civilians
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30393540
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...light-urgent-need-for-arms-embargo-on-israel/

Every single time you defend Israel's targeting and killing of civilians.
Amnesty is calling for an arms embargo on Israel after Israel's year long targeting and killing of civilian protesters, but you defend those killings.
Israel kills about 100 times more civilians and you back every single killing here.
 

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I've given you multiple reports stating that Israel is targeting and killing civilians.....
Did you even read those links or did you just cut and past from a google search? Other than anonymous accusations from an Israeli group that refuses to share their information with the courts, you have a bunch of reports that say Israeli shouldn't target civilians, not that they do. The only claim that is verified is some Israeli settlers act commit terrorist acts (and you refuse to describe Palestinians doing those same acts as terrorists even though they are documented in that same post).

Meanwhile Hamas openly celebrates targeting civilians because of their religion and you still pretend it is self defense.
 

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I see after all your talk of Gaza poverty you refuse to discus why Hamas just stole aid money intended for those poor.
And still no response from you. Hamas just stole 40% of the aid money Qatar sent for Gaza's poor but since you can't figure out how to blame Israel for it you stay disgustingly silent. I guess starvation and poverty only bother you when you can blame it on Israel.
 

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you have a bunch of reports that say Israeli shouldn't target civilians, not that they do.
Sigh.

“Israel has repeatedly displayed a chilling disregard for civilian life and carried out wide-scale deadly attacks in densely-populated civilian areas of Gaza in violation of international humanitarian law.

“There must be no repeat of the unlawful attacks that killed and injured thousands of civilians in Gaza, destroyed homes and devastated infrastructure during conflicts in previous years.
Amnesty International has also documented a pattern of unlawful killings, including extrajudicial executions, by Israeli forces against Palestinian civilians and a series of attacks by Israeli settlers on Palestinian civilians and homes over the past two months.
“The Israeli forces’ policy of using lethal force during protests, deploying weapons designed to cause maximum harm against protesters, medics and journalists who did not pose an imminent threat to life, is simply criminal,” said Saleh Higazi.

“Time and again Israeli authorities’ have displayed a callous disregard for people’s lives in Gaza. The urgent need for governments worldwide – including the USA and EU states – to impose a comprehensive arms embargo on Israel could not be clearer. States have a duty to uphold the Geneva Conventions by suspending arms transfers that may contribute to Israel’s violations of international humanitarian law.”
 

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Try reading your posts.

Sadly Hamas leadership openly celebrating their attacks on civilians don't bother you but Israel hitting Hamas targets hidden in cities, killing Hamas terrorists, and shooting violent protesters is a massive issue for you.


I have no problem calling out the Settler attacks as terrorism. Why are you incapable of describing the same types of attacks by Palestinians as terrorism?
 

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Try reading your posts.

Sadly Hamas leadership openly celebrating their attacks on civilians don't bother you but Israel hitting Hamas targets hidden in cities, killing Hamas terrorists, and shooting violent protesters is a massive issue for you.


I have no problem calling out the Settler attacks as terrorism. Why are you incapable of describing the same types of attacks by Palestinians as terrorism?
Sorry dude, but Israel openly celebrates killing civilians just as much as Hamas, that moral ground was lost a long time ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

You sound like Phil, with your claims that civilians killed by Israel are deserved and should be cheered while civilians killed by Palestinians are the worst crimes ever and full justification for 'killing all the Palestinians'.
Targeting civilians is terrorism, whether by settlers, the IDF or Hamas.
 

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Your bullshit is getting ridiculous. Do you even take yourself seriously?
Its right there in the article published by the Guardian.
Are you so low that you call news stories, complete with photo proof, 'bullshit'?

Why don't you tell us again why you think Israel is morally superior for shooting women and children protesters every Friday for over a year.
 

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Its right there in the article published by the Guardian.
Are you so low that you call news stories, complete with photo proof, 'bullshit'?
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Yes it is bullshit. A small group of assholes celebrating retribution for Gaza rockets is not Israel's government.

Gaza's de facto government openly celebrates murdering Jewish civilians but you will never hold them to account.
 

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Yes it is bullshit. A small group of assholes celebrating retribution for Gaza rockets is not Israel's government.
I'm not surprised you are supporting Israelis cheering for the bombing of civilians, and for the record, the Israeli government also does this.
‘Parts of Gaza sent back to Stone Age’: Gantz videos laud his IDF bona fides
In campaign clips, ex-army chief boasts how many terrorists died on his watch, also says seeking peace ‘not shameful’: Israelis shouldn’t have to tell children we ‘didn’t even try’
https://www.timesofisrael.com/only-...-new-campaign-videos-laud-his-idf-bona-fides/

You are backing a people and government that now cheers for killing civilians and kills nearly 100x more civilians, shooting women and children every Friday of every week for over a year now.
Its time for you to back basic human rights for all, support Canadian values.
 

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You are backing a people and government that now cheers for killing civilians ....
Strange. You condemn an Israeli for "boasting" about killing TERRORISTS (your quote's actual wording) yet refuse to do so for Hamas who openly admit to and celebrate the murder of civilians simply because of their religion.
 

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Strange. You condemn an Israeli for "boasting" about killing TERRORISTS (your quote's actual wording) yet refuse to do so for Hamas who openly admit to and celebrate the murder of civilians simply because of their religion.
No, this is one of your pet arguments, I'm just calling bullshit on your claims.
You've been screaming about Hamas cheering deaths for a long time, despite Israelis and the Israeli government doing the exact same thing.
It just has to be pointed out to you repeatedly when you keep making this attack.

Israel is no better than Hamas, worse in quite a few ways.
Israel kills more civilians, is apartheid and has starved Gaza to the point where 20% of the children are deformed.
 

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Are you seriously denying that Hamas intentionally attacks civilians and celebrates those attacks?
I'm saying that you are incredibly hypocritical to attack Hamas for the same acts you defend from Israel.
I'd argue that both are on the same level except that Israel kills 100x more civilians and runs apartheid.
So you win that one.
 

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I'm saying that you are incredibly hypocritical to attack Hamas for the same acts you defend from Israel.
I'd argue that both are on the same level except that Israel kills 100x more civilians and runs apartheid.
So you win that one.'d argue that both are on the same level except that Israel kills 100x more civilians and runs apartheid.
So you win that one.

If you think they are the same, why have you spend so many posts criticizing Israel and only given mild criticism to Hamas when backed into a corner. Otherwise you have continually justified Hamas attacks where they intentionally murder random civilians based solely on their religion.


And no, there is no comparison between Hamas and Israel. That is why Canada and most of the democratic world see Hamas as a terror group and Israel as a trade partner.
 

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If you think they are the same, why have you spend so many posts criticizing Israel and only given mild criticism to Hamas when backed into a corner. Otherwise you have continually justified Hamas attacks where they intentionally murder random civilians based solely on their religion.
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Good point, why don't we judge which is worse.

Wanna start with you favourite, terrorism, or targeting and killing civilians?
Israel targeted and killed about 300 civilian protesters last year.
How many civilians did Hamas kill?
 

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Good point, why don't we judge which is worse.

Wanna start with you favourite, terrorism, or targeting and killing civilians?
Israel targeted and killed about 300 civilian protesters last year.
How many civilians did Hamas kill?
Your endless lies are pathetic. Sadly you think Palestinians have a right to violence and Israel has no right to stop it.

Hamas openly celebrates their attacks on civilians and you still pretend they are the good guys. Canada and most of the democratic world agree with me that Hamas are terrorists. The only ones who refuse contact with Israel are despots in the Middle East. Thanks for identifying which group you prefer.
 
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