Sorry Bernie and AOC! New Poll Shows Only 10 Percent of Americans Want Socialism

Butler1000

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"Little guys" are much more numerous than "Big guys". They have 100 million votes but no surplus cash.
And are influenced by a constant stream of propoganda.

But yes, Sanders campaign will also be robust, as will over 1,000,000 volunteers.
 

Butler1000

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Not if Trump can help it.
Which is why it's so important Sanders gets in.

Considering the source of Biden's funding, you don't actually think he will reverse the cuts do you? Perhaps a few token ones to non donors, but really his record speaks for itself.
 

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When it comes to policy I have very little to nothing in common with Biden. He is against Medicare for all, pro war, pro Wall St over people. He takes money from the lobbyists and special interests and then does their bidding.

Trump is an ass, a liar, incompetent, on and on.

Neither is a choice.
OMG, I actually agree with you.
 

Butler1000

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OMG, I actually agree with you.
My Sig is the truth.

What people need to realize is my discussing the reality of where the various investigations will lead is not the same as Support for Trump and his policies.

It's just objective editorial.

And as I've often said Congress is an even larger and worse issue than the Presidency in some matters.

I consider Trump a necessary evil to wake up the voters to ALL the corruption. The catalyst to a larger movement. And it starts with the Dem Leadership.

You can't take on Republican stances by somewhat adopting them. You have to fight them head on. And the Dem leadership is now fully bought and paid for by the same lobbyists and businesses.

First the Dems, then the hearts and minds of Voters. Then, and only then can real change occur.
 

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My Sig is the truth.

What people need to realize is my discussing the reality of where the various investigations will lead is not the same as Support for Trump and his policies.

It's just objective editorial.

And as I've often said Congress is an even larger and worse issue than the Presidency in some matters.

I consider Trump a necessary evil to wake up the voters to ALL the corruption. The catalyst to a larger movement. And it starts with the Dem Leadership.

You can't take on Republican stances by somewhat adopting them. You have to fight them head on. And the Dem leadership is now fully bought and paid for by the same lobbyists and businesses.

First the Dems, then the hearts and minds of Voters. Then, and only then can real change occur.
You are a Trump apologist and a particular sig etc does not change that.
 

Frankfooter

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My Sig is the truth.
Well, the honestly only lasted for one post.

I consider Trump a necessary evil to wake up the voters to ALL the corruption.
And yet all you do here day after day is defend every single act of corruption committed by Trump in office or previously.
You're not trying to 'wake up voters' you're putting us to sleep with your constant attacks on the legal system trying to reign in corruption.
 

Butler1000

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Well, the honestly only lasted for one post.



And yet all you do here day after day is defend every single act of corruption committed by Trump in office or previously.
You're not trying to 'wake up voters' you're putting us to sleep with your constant attacks on the legal system trying to reign in corruption.
Lol. I've been quite consistent in my views.

And to say the real corruption isn't in Congress is the biggest lie of all.
 

Frankfooter

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Lol. I've been quite consistent in my views.

And to say the real corruption isn't in Congress is the biggest lie of all.
If you were here debating lobbying influences, immorality of senators, gerrymandering or anything along those lines I'd agree.
Instead all you do is defend Trump for his lying, cheating, pussy grabbing, collusion, conspiring and fraud.

Sorry dude, but you are just as much of the problem as Trump is, someone who claims to be working for the greater good while excusing total fuckery.
 

Frankfooter

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Lol. And your opinion isn't worth the pixels......

Because you are an apologist for war mongers and Wall st banksters.
Given that Trump and Bolton just failed at a coup in Venezuela and are apparently considering all out war and have just sent patriot missiles out to Iran, the war apologist here is you.
Bolton is an old school, 'hey, that's our oil' colonialist. He's out to start wars in order to get the oil, like they did in Iraq.

And you're backing these warmongering clowns and have been since day 1.
 

Butler1000

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Given that Trump and Bolton just failed at a coup in Venezuela and are apparently considering all out war and have just sent patriot missiles out to Iran, the war apologist here is you.
Bolton is an old school, 'hey, that's our oil' colonialist. He's out to start wars in order to get the oil, like they did in Iraq.

And you're backing these warmongering clowns and have been since day 1.
Lol. Show me a post where I support Bolton. And war in Iran. Good luck!

You certain seem to cheerlead rocket attacks over there in the ME however. So long as it's anyone who is Jewish that dies. You just can't say it anymore, or you will be banned again.
 

Frankfooter

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Lol. Show me a post where I support Bolton. And war in Iran. Good luck!

You certain seem to cheerlead rocket attacks over there in the ME however. So long as it's anyone who is Jewish that dies. You just can't say it anymore, or you will be banned again.
You're confusing me with basketcase, he's the only one that cheers for rockets.
I'm all for taking both sides to the ICC over rockets and targeting civilians.

Trump brought Bolton on, you can't blame Bolton for what's happening.
Its the guy you've been backing here for the last few years that's now trying to start more oil wars.
You're the warmonger now.
 

Butler1000

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You're confusing me with basketcase, he's the only one that cheers for rockets.
I'm all for taking both sides to the ICC over rockets and targeting civilians.

Trump brought Bolton on, you can't blame Bolton for what's happening.
Its the guy you've been backing here for the last few years that's now trying to start more oil wars.
You're the warmonger now.
Still no post.........
 

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You're just listening. The mandating of ths single payer can only be accomplished by the government's destruction of the private system- government taking over the administrative and the delivery. That's a very definition of socialism.
So you support socialism? Or do you want everyone in Canada to pay for their own healthcare? Maybe you prefer the more expensive American solution where insurance companies and hospital corporations get rich and many people don't get treated or go bankrupt due to medical bills.
 

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So you support socialism? Or do you want everyone in Canada to pay for their own healthcare? Maybe you prefer the more expensive American solution where insurance companies and hospital corporations get rich and many people don't get treated or go bankrupt due to medical bills.
No. Single payer is a religion in Canada, yet the "universal" system relies on the private sector to pay for drugs. I am for an universal coverage for those who can't afford health insurance and choice for the rest of us. One size fits all is too expensive, unnecessary, unsustainable, produces rationing and out of control bureaucracy. Sounds familiar?
 

toguy5252

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No. Single payer is a religion in Canada, yet the "universal" system relies on the private sector to pay for drugs. I am for an universal coverage for those who can't afford health insurance and choice for the rest of us. One size fits all is too expensive, unnecessary, unsustainable, produces rationing and out of control bureaucracy. Sounds familiar?
You have obviously been reading the uninformed propaganda by the American right. The Canadian system is certainly far from perfect. But everyone in Canada gets the care they need. Do they have to sometimes wait longer than they wish. Definitely. Do we overall get cheaper services with better outcomes than the US. Demanding perfection is the easiest way to make sure that nothing changes.
 
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Frankfooter

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No. Single payer is a religion in Canada, yet the "universal" system relies on the private sector to pay for drugs. I am for an universal coverage for those who can't afford health insurance and choice for the rest of us. One size fits all is too expensive, unnecessary, unsustainable, produces rationing and out of control bureaucracy. Sounds familiar?
Life expectancy is on the decline under the system you back.
 
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