Rockets Fired At Tel Aviv From Gaza

[basketcase]

Why is it you refuse to actually condemn the choices of Hamas and Islamic Jihad? They made the concious choice to inflame events by shooting Israeli troops and made the concious choice to further violence by launching hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians.

Death toll so far.

Israel has killed 9 Palestinians. Two were Hamas troops killed in a strike on a Hamas post, six were PIJ members launching rockets and one was a Hamas military commander.

Hamas/PIJ have killed 3 civilians in their homes hit by rockets and 1 hit with a guided missile while driving a car

Hamas and Israel disagree over the death of a woman and baby, both blaming the other. Hamas says it was an Israeli strike while Israel says it was a misfired Gaza rocket. We'll have to wait to find out the truth of it (though Hamas has a record of blaming Israel for baby's deaths https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...st-of-people-killed-by-israeli-army-1.6120285)

 

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Why is it you refuse to actually condemn the choices of Hamas and Islamic Jihad? They made the concious choice to inflame events by shooting Israeli troops and made the concious choice to further violence by launching hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians.

Death toll so far.

Israel has killed 9 Palestinians. Two were Hamas troops killed in a strike on a Hamas post, six were PIJ members launching rockets and one was a Hamas military commander.

Hamas/PIJ have killed 3 civilians in their homes hit by rockets and 1 hit with a guided missile while driving a car

Hamas and Israel disagree over the death of a woman and baby, both blaming the other. Hamas says it was an Israeli strike while Israel says it was a misfired Gaza rocket. We'll have to wait to find out the truth of it (though Hamas has a record of blaming Israel for baby's deaths https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...st-of-people-killed-by-israeli-army-1.6120285)

I condemn the choices of both sides while you condemn only Palestinians.

Both sides should be taken to the ICC.

If you check the photos Al Jazeera just posted and you're weren't so racist as to cheer for this, you'd be upset looking at the destruction and total poverty you and Israel force Gaza to live under.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/i...tensifies-invasion-fears-190505110730732.html

A decent and normal human being would be ashamed of supporting the brutal military rule that has left Gaza under blockade and constant gunning down of civilians in an area that the UN has stated is unliveable.

Instead we've only got you here cheering for more bombings of Gaza.
Why is it you refuse to condemn what Israel has done to Gaza?

 

[basketcase]

I condemn the choices of both sides while you condemn only Palestinians....

When PIJ and Hamas are the once inciting this violence then absolutely I blame them. The scary thing is you refuse to do so and continue to argue that Palestinians have a right to target civilians.

 

[basketcase]

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A decent and normal human being would be ashamed of supporting the brutal military rule that has left Gaza under blockade ...

Yes, I have repeatedly condemned Hamas for turning Gaza into a military camp full of poverty while they collect their millions.

When Israel withdrew from Gaza, there was no blockade. Hamas used the "victory" as a reason to step up attacks on Israel and that is the only reason why there are now border restrictions. Hamas continues to put their racist war against Israel ahead of caring for their people.

 

[Frankfooter]

The scary thing is you refuse to do so and continue to argue that Palestinians have a right to target civilians.

The life of a hasbara troll must be getting harder and harder.
Now you have to keep repeating the same lies about others, straw man attacks are now your only arguments.
You know the facts are against you.

You know I have repeatedly stating that targeting civilians is a war crime, just as you continue to support targeting civilians every day here, through your defence of shooting protesters every Friday for a year.

The only one here defending terrorism and racism is you.

Both sides should stop and both sides should be held to the law.

Recent headlines:

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All you offer is more Islamaphobic justifications for killing more civilians.

 

[basketcase]

The life of a hasbara troll must be getting harder and harder.

And once again you run out of ways to argue in support of Hamas and instead stoop to insults.

Now you have to keep repeating the same lies about others, straw man attacks are now your only arguments.
You know the facts are against you.

You know I have repeatedly stating that targeting civilians is a war crime, just as you continue to support targeting civilians every day here, through your defence of shooting protesters every Friday for a year.....

It is a fact that those protests include violence from some Palestinians. This most recent incident was kicked off when Islamic Jihad troops used the protests as cover to shoot Israeli soldiers.

The only one here defending terrorism and racism is you.

I love it when you use the "Am not, you are" line of argument. Only one of us has directly called out terrorism and racism on both sides of this conflict (and it isn't you).

You also continue top argue against the rights groups that you pretend to support by claiming rockets targeting civilians are just self defense and that Palestinians have a right to commit war crimes.

 

[Frankfooter]

You also continue top argue against the rights groups that you pretend to support by claiming rockets targeting civilians are just self defense and that Palestinians have a right to commit war crimes.

Here is video evidence of Israeli rockets targeting civilian infrastructure, an attack which killed a 4 month old baby and a 12 year old kid.
Yet you have already defended this attack, instead of calling it a war crime.
You are the the one supporting terrorism here.


Here is the photo of one of the 'militants' you cheered as they were killed.

These are your words:

rockets targeting civilians are illegal and not self defense.

Here is the video of Israel targeting a civilian residential unit where they killed a two children, one a 4 month old infant.
https://twitter.com/ShehabAgencyEn/status/1125069231014465536/video/1

(for the record, both Hamas and Israeli rockets are war crimes and should be investigated by the ICC)

 

[basketcase]

Why do you have to spam the same post with the same off topic video and the same baseless accusations to every thread? Is it because you know you reject Amnesty and HRW condemning Hamas and Islamic Jihad rockets but are smart enough to try and change the topic away from your immorality?

 

[Frankfooter]

Why do you have to spam the same post with the same off topic video and the same baseless accusations to every thread?

Because you refuse to admit that you support Israel targeting civilians with rockets.
I"ll keep posting it until you realize that your morals are worse now than Hamas.

 

[basketcase]

Because you refuse to admit that you support Israel targeting civilians with rockets....

Wow your playground arguments are getting stupid. You are openly stating Palestinians have the right to commit war crimes and fire rockets at Israeli cities and reject what Amnesty and HRW say on the topic. But somehow you are opposed to Israel who warns military sites before hitting them.

Your own video shows Israel gave advance warning to the exact location of their strikes. That is the polar opposite of your idiotic claims about targeting civilians.

 

[Frankfooter]

Your own video shows Israel gave advance warning to the exact location of their strikes. That is the polar opposite of your idiotic claims about targeting civilians.

Warning they are attacking civilian targets doesn't make it any less illegal, since they are still targeting civilian targets.
As covered by HRW in 2014, where Israel destroyed thousands of homes, apartment buildings and hospitals.

The Israeli rights group B’Tselem said on July 13 that the Israel Defense Forces spokesperson had changed the wording of statements concerning such attacks over the course of the current military offensive, but that in only one specific case did the military claim that weapons were hidden in a home it had attacked. An Israeli military official stated on July 12 that the military has targeted “more than 100 homes of commanders of different ranks” in Gaza, the Israeli news website Ynet reported.

Civilian structures such as residential homes become lawful targets only when they are being used for military purposes. While the laws of war encourage the use of effective advance warnings of attacks to minimize civilian casualties, providing warnings does not make an otherwise unlawful attack lawful.

For warnings to be effective, civilians need adequate time to leave and go to a place of safety before an attack. In several cases Human Rights Watch investigated, Israel gave warnings, but carried out the attack within five minutes or less. Given that Gaza has no bomb shelters, civilians realistically often have no place to flee.

Attacks targeting civilians or civilian property are unlawful, as are attacks that do not or cannot discriminate between civilians and combatants. Attacks intended to punish the family members of an enemy commander or fighter would also constitute unlawful collective punishment. Attacks causing the extensive destruction of property carried out unlawfully and wantonly are also prohibited.

“Warning families to flee might reduce civilian casualties but they don’t make illegal attacks any less illegal,” Whitson said. “The Israeli failure to demonstrate why attacks that are killing civilians are lawful raises serious questions as to whether these attacks are intended to target civilians or wantonly destroy civilian property.”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israel/palestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

You refuse to honour your own beliefs and words whenever they apply to Palestinians.
Your racism trumps your morals.
Your morals are worse than Hamas now.

rockets targeting civilians are illegal and not self defense.

 

[basketcase]

Warning they are attacking civilian targets doesn't make it any less illegal, since they are still targeting civilian targets.....

1) Funny that you are arguing it is illegal for Israel to hit civilian buildings while at the same time saying Palestinians have the legal right to target Israeli cities.

2) Hamas puts their infrastructure inside otherwise civilian structures (which is in itself a war crime). Israel gives the civilians warning before hitting the Hamas site hiding there.

3) You accept that Israel warns civilians and Hamas yet you continue to pretend Israel is trying to kill civilians.

4) Of course you think I am worse than Hamas because I refuse to accept your and their goal of destroying Israel and removing Jews from the region. The fact that you could support Hamas while claiming to hate racism, violence, and fundamentalism says everything we need to know about you.

 

[Frankfooter]

1) Funny that you are arguing it is illegal for Israel to hit civilian buildings while at the same time saying Palestinians have the legal right to target Israeli cities.

2) Hamas puts their infrastructure inside otherwise civilian structures (which is in itself a war crime). Israel gives the civilians warning before hitting the Hamas site hiding there.

3) You accept that Israel warns civilians and Hamas yet you continue to pretend Israel is trying to kill civilians.

4) Of course you think I am worse than Hamas because I refuse to accept your and their goal of destroying Israel and removing Jews from the region. The fact that you could support Hamas while claiming to hate racism, violence, and fundamentalism says everything we need to know about you.

1) I have never argued Palestinians have any right to target civilian targets. Straw man arguments are only for the desperate.
2) Not according to HRW and Amnesty, they repeatedly stated that there is no excuse for targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure as Israel repeatedly has.
3) Warnings do not make it legal, its still a war crime, as noted by the HRW report linked previously.
4) I don't support Hamas. I support a one state solution based on equal rights.


Until you accept that your words apply to all races, you're going to be accused of Islamaphobia and hatred.

rockets targeting civilians are illegal and not self defense.

“Warning families to flee might reduce civilian casualties but they don’t make illegal attacks any less illegal,” Whitson said. “The Israeli failure to demonstrate why attacks that are killing civilians are lawful raises serious questions as to whether these attacks are intended to target civilians or wantonly destroy civilian property.”[/QUOTE]
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israel/palestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

 

[basketcase]

1) I have never argued Palestinians have any right to target civilian targets....

So all those posts where you claimed Palestinians have a right to fire rockets as "defense" by any means....

But keep up your racist double standard where you support Hamas and PIJ targeting civilians while and complain when Israel strikes back at Hamas/PIJ.

Fact is Hamas tries to kill civilians and this week openly celebrated that they killed 4 civilians while Israel does its best to minimize risk to civilians.



There is an obvious pattern to your posts. You don't condemn people teaching kids to hate even though the Muslim American Society did. You don't condemn Iran for their human rights abuses. You don't consider Hamas rockets to be illegal. Meanwhile you leap at any unsubstantiated accusation against Israel. Your racism is clear; I just can't tell if you are more racist to Jews or Arabs.

 

[Frankfooter]

Fact is Hamas tries to kill civilians and this week openly celebrated that they killed 4 civilians while Israel does its best to minimize risk to civilians.

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Sorry dude, but every Friday for over a year Israel has gleefully gone out and gunned downed civilians.
Every Friday like it was sport.
Every week they shoot women, children, sometimes journalists, sometimes some medics.
Every Friday.

And every week you are here defending gunning down those women and children and telling us they deserved it for being 'violent'.

 

[basketcase]

Sorry dude, ...

Keep spamming your bullshit. It is amazing that you say Hamas is entitled to launch rockets at Israeli cities as self defense but complain that Israel shoots people throwing firebombs and rocks or trying to destroy a border fence.

 

[Frankfooter]

Keep spamming your bullshit. It is amazing that you say Hamas is entitled to launch rockets at Israeli cities as self defense but complain that Israel shoots people throwing firebombs and rocks or trying to destroy a border fence.

Straw man argument again.
Hamas is not 'entitled' or allowed to target civilians with rockets any more that Israel is allowed to target civilian protesters or civilian apartment buildings just by 'warning them' they will be killed.

Stop lying so poorly.

 

[basketcase]

Straw man argument again.
Hamas is not 'entitled' or allowed to target civilians with rockets any more that Israel is allowed to target civilian protesters or civilian apartment buildings just by 'warning them' they will be killed.

Stop lying so poorly.

So why have you repeatedly justified Hamas rockets and tried to claim they are legally self defense?

p.s. Hamas admits they target civilians and celebrate their deaths. Israel tells civilians to get out of the way before they hit Hamas even though it means Hamas will also clear out.

 

[Frankfooter]

So why have you repeatedly justified Hamas rockets

Straw man argument again.
Hamas is not 'entitled' or allowed to target civilians with rockets any more that Israel is allowed to target civilian protesters or civilian apartment buildings just by 'warning them' they will be killed.

Stop lying so poorly.

 

[basketcase]

Straw man argument again.
Hamas is not 'entitled' or allowed to target civilians with rockets a....

So why have you spent entire threads blaming Israel for getting into a gun battle with Hamas without condemning Hamas' choice to respond with hundreds of rockets targeting civilians? Why have you repeatedly made posts trying to claim Palestinians right to self defense included using rockets? Why did you go through the whole discussion about the recent rocket barrages without condemning PIJ or Hamas for turning fighting between troops into an excuse to fire more barrages at Israeli cities.

Sorry but you have a long history of excusing attacks on Israeli Jews while condemning Israel for everything under the sun. And yes, you criticized Israel for killing Palestinians when the people killed were directly engaged in a terror attack and criticized Israel for arresting youth engaged in violence.