Michael Jackson - Leaving Neverland on HBO
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I watched the second half of the documentary, and it's much more emotional than the first half. The men fight back tears and nearing the end it shows their own families with young children and the men talking about how innocent children are. It definitely pulls at the heart strings, and is very convincing. But even amateur escorts can be convincing in making you feel things that aren't real. These men's claims can't be taken in isolation. When taken in context and fact checked, it's impossible to know whether they're lying (again) about all events or just some events. As the videos cited above indicate, the men continue to blatantly lie in the movie.
What we know from the perspective not shown in the movie:
1) Both men aren't doing well financially.
2) HBO isn't doing well financially. They're losing out to streaming.
3) Both men lied (i.e. are established perjurers); they've changed their stories multiple times (they explain this by arguing they had conflicting emotions about MJ), so there is no way to know what story is legit
4) Prosecutors argued that the allegations would lead to a landslide of similar accusations against Jackson. No such thing has happened in 20 years.
5) MJ was investigated by the FBI for a decade, raided dozens of times, and exonerated in courts of law. If accusers are allowed to defame those found not guilty we might as well throw out the judicial system.
6) Others under MJ's care as children (Feldman, Caulkin, Brett, Mark Lester) all say that MJ treated them just like James & Wade sans molestation; therefore as strange as it is for a man to sleep in the same bed as kids, it clearly doesn't mean he will molest them.
7) None of the accusers can describe MJ's genitals after having dozens of interactions and oral sex into their teens over many years
8) Wade describes himself as a "master of deception", something Jussie Smollett clearly aspired to
9) Wade and James have appealed a $1.5 billion lawsuit and the movie is intended to raise their public profile; money as motivation is a constant in all MJ cases even to the point where these guys forego criminal suits (where there is no money) for civil litigation (where the money is)
10) I've never followed MJ's court cases closely but the videos linked above indicate that the movie is big on omissions, defamation, emotion while void of evidence, facts, findings
I'm sure this list is longer but I don't follow this stuff enough to know all the details.
The lawsuit against HBO by MJ's Estate is an interesting read: https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/mj-arbitration-doc-1.pdf
I think that Wade and James will lose in court because the legal system relies on evidence and credibility, not carefully crafted narratives in a movie that fall flat under cross examinations.
All that said, I don't know if MJ molested these men, and we'll never know due to lack of any shred of physical evidence, and in part because they've muddied the waters so much over the years by establishing themselves as untrustworthy. The evidence trail, though, points to Jackson's innocence.
What we know from the perspective not shown in the movie:
1) Both men aren't doing well financially.
2) HBO isn't doing well financially. They're losing out to streaming.
3) Both men lied (i.e. are established perjurers); they've changed their stories multiple times (they explain this by arguing they had conflicting emotions about MJ), so there is no way to know what story is legit
4) Prosecutors argued that the allegations would lead to a landslide of similar accusations against Jackson. No such thing has happened in 20 years.
5) MJ was investigated by the FBI for a decade, raided dozens of times, and exonerated in courts of law. If accusers are allowed to defame those found not guilty we might as well throw out the judicial system.
6) Others under MJ's care as children (Feldman, Caulkin, Brett, Mark Lester) all say that MJ treated them just like James & Wade sans molestation; therefore as strange as it is for a man to sleep in the same bed as kids, it clearly doesn't mean he will molest them.
7) None of the accusers can describe MJ's genitals after having dozens of interactions and oral sex into their teens over many years
8) Wade describes himself as a "master of deception", something Jussie Smollett clearly aspired to
9) Wade and James have appealed a $1.5 billion lawsuit and the movie is intended to raise their public profile; money as motivation is a constant in all MJ cases even to the point where these guys forego criminal suits (where there is no money) for civil litigation (where the money is)
10) I've never followed MJ's court cases closely but the videos linked above indicate that the movie is big on omissions, defamation, emotion while void of evidence, facts, findings
I'm sure this list is longer but I don't follow this stuff enough to know all the details.
The lawsuit against HBO by MJ's Estate is an interesting read: https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/mj-arbitration-doc-1.pdf
I think that Wade and James will lose in court because the legal system relies on evidence and credibility, not carefully crafted narratives in a movie that fall flat under cross examinations.
All that said, I don't know if MJ molested these men, and we'll never know due to lack of any shred of physical evidence, and in part because they've muddied the waters so much over the years by establishing themselves as untrustworthy. The evidence trail, though, points to Jackson's innocence.
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Very impressive.....well said.
For 1.5 billion yeah, MJ molested me 2, this guys are telling the full truth.
That is very troubling, why make a special if you have a 1.5 billion law suit. Oh yeah to get public support and taint a potential jury.
There's always money involved. Notice how these ppl can NEVER come out without wanting money?
People are savages and not in a good way. These guys are the true monsters. Disgusting!!! Don’t contribute to this. Imagine if you were the daughter.
When Trump first called out 'Fake News' several years ago, he was ahead of his time. They'll run with anything that brings the most eyeballs, with few exceptions. The more outlandish, the better and no critical analysis needed nor desired. The organizations (primarily liberal) that build people up - they used to love Trump and MJ - are the same ones that'll try to bring them down for the almighty dollar. This is why I hope that Covington kid gets a massive settlement out of CNN et al.
The only bulwark against the fake media in America is the judicial system. Pray that it never becomes compromised.
