Axl Who???? Was he a member of something called Megadeath or Jefferson Airplane or something like that?Caught the HBO documentary called "Leaving Neverland" on HBO last night about Michael Jackson sexually abusing young boys as told by 2 of his victims.
I must say both men (They are now 36 and 41) were very convincing. It's not an easy watch. They both relate stories of how Jackson brought them into his inner world and wooed them with gifts and luxury and then raped them as young boys.
Obviously there have been allegations made against Jackson in the past. There was a lawsuit brought forward by the family of one child in which Jackson paid out 23 million in money to make it go away and then a criminal prosecution in 2005 or so in which Jackson was acquitted of all charges. ( And back then, one of the two men in this documentary testified in Jackson's defence stating that nothing sexual had occurred between him and Jackson when he was a boy.). But this is the first time I've been exposed to the details in such a stark fashion and they were disgusting. In the one boy's case, the abuse started when he was 7 years old. What was even more revolting was how Jackson would always find new boys and would lose interest in the other boys he had already abused. They would show photos of Jackson out and about with one young boy or another and it would turn your stomach. Always boys. Always dressed like Jackson.
People often ask, "Where were the parents" and interestingly enough, this documentary features both mothers of both victims and once you hear them, you'll understand. Both mothers were self absorbed dummies who were easily seduced by Jackson's celebrity and wealth and it blinded them to the reality of what was going on.
It is interesting to me that there are still legions of his fans who still to this day will defend him to the end. The one keystone in all of this is McCauley Chalkin who has steadfastly maintained that nothing sexual ever transpired between him and Jackson. God only knows what the truth is.
I was never a fan of Michael Jackson or his music. He was just a pop music star with no substance to me. Never listened to his music, or owned any record he ever sold. I still remember Axl Rose once saying on accepting an award named in Jackson's honour, "oh, and this award has nothing to do with Michael Jackson". Good on you Axl, good on you.
Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis...go on...The Roman Polanski's, Donald Trump's and Michael Jackson's of this world are given a generous pass by their fans while other perpetrators with less egregious actions are not so lucky.
Harvey Weinstein produced lots of great movies. Point. Blank. He obviously deserves a pass as well.. It's also about enjoyment, and boy could that legend named MJ concoct great memorable music. One of the greatest of all time. Point. Blank. PERIOD!
True.One key difference between this and R Kelly. People who accused micheal wanted money from him. They even kept selling their story to the tabloids. People who accused R.kelly just want him in jail.
The fact that you made that post in response to mine clearly shows you didn't understand the point of it. Reading comprehension isn't what it used to be, I guess.Harvey Weinstein produced lots of great movies. Point. Blank. He obviously deserves a pass as well.
Wade Robson is lying now because he was rejected when he wanted to direct some Michael Jackson show recently. This is what they call payback. Simples.True.
But the difference is that R Kelly is basically broke and Jackson's estate is worth 1.7 billion since he died.
Plus you have to ask yourself, if you were molested like these 2 men when you were 7 years old by a guy worth enormous amounts of money, would you not try to sue him?
Both men in the doc tried to sue Jackson's estate, however, both were told, "too late". Neither of these 2 men are heroes. They both could have nailed Jackson in 2005, but they didn't. I can't respect that. Both explain it, I get it, but since I've never been sexually molested, it is hard for me to identify with the head-space that they were / are in. One (James Safechuk) seems far more damaged than the other (Wade Robson). You just get the feeling that he (Safechuk) is today almost on the verge of suicide. Both are suffering from post traumatic stress. They went through something no child should ever experience.
Wade Robson is a tough one to get your head around. He was actually subpoenaed to testify in 2005 despite him telling Jackson that he wanted no part of it. He could have crucified Jackson at the time and instead he continued to lie to protect him. He explained it in detail in the doc, but at the time, it boiled down to he still loved Michael Jackson despite the abuse and he didn't want to see him go to jail. (Keep in mind at that point in time he had told no-one about what had happened to him.) And the other thing was that Robson said that at the time when he was being molested, from age 7 to 13 or so, he really loved Michael Jackson and he also enjoyed the molestation (as bizarre as that sounds). He found it confusing, but he viewed it as part of the process of loving Michael Jackson. It's really complicated and you need to see the doc to hear it for yourself. He does explain it though. As he grew older though, it all started to crash for him (both of them actually). He had a harder and harder time coping with the impacts of the abuse and he began to truly suffer and it impacted everything in his life. Also, during the doc, several times he stated how he was genuinely hurt when Jackson threw him to the curb and rejected him for a younger boy. He felt more hurt that Jackson had rejected him than anything (when he was a child.)
As I said, I think that Macaulay Chulkin and his brother probably know more than they are saying. Who knows, maybe they are on the payroll.
R.kelly wasn’t broke when all those allegations first started happening. And they still just wanted him to go to jail.True.
But the difference is that R Kelly is basically broke and Jackson's estate is worth 1.7 billion since he died.
Plus you have to ask yourself, if you were molested like these 2 men when you were 7 years old by a guy worth enormous amounts of money, would you not try to sue him?
Both men in the doc tried to sue Jackson's estate, however, both were told, "too late". Neither of these 2 men are heroes. They both could have nailed Jackson in 2005, but they didn't. I can't respect that. Both explain it, I get it, but since I've never been sexually molested, it is hard for me to identify with the head-space that they were / are in. One (James Safechuk) seems far more damaged than the other (Wade Robson). You just get the feeling that he (Safechuk) is today almost on the verge of suicide. Both are suffering from post traumatic stress. They went through something no child should ever experience.
Wade Robson is a tough one to get your head around. He was actually subpoenaed to testify in 2005 despite him telling Jackson that he wanted no part of it. He could have crucified Jackson at the time and instead he continued to lie to protect him. He explained it in detail in the doc, but at the time, it boiled down to he still loved Michael Jackson despite the abuse and he didn't want to see him go to jail. (Keep in mind at that point in time he had told no-one about what had happened to him.) And the other thing was that Robson said that at the time when he was being molested, from age 7 to 13 or so, he really loved Michael Jackson and he also enjoyed the molestation (as bizarre as that sounds). He found it confusing, but he viewed it as part of the process of loving Michael Jackson. It's really complicated and you need to see the doc to hear it for yourself. He does explain it though. As he grew older though, it all started to crash for him (both of them actually). He had a harder and harder time coping with the impacts of the abuse and he began to truly suffer and it impacted everything in his life. Also, during the doc, several times he stated how he was genuinely hurt when Jackson threw him to the curb and rejected him for a younger boy. He felt more hurt that Jackson had rejected him than anything (when he was a child.)
As I said, I think that Macaulay Chulkin and his brother probably know more than they are saying. Who knows, maybe they are on the payroll.
Just watched it...It made mt skin crawl
Michael Jackson was more guilty than O.J. and many have defended him in the past as fans not neutral observers
Sadly I have to include myself in that category but no longer
Cioey Feldman who is a survivor himslf has said he can longer defend his old friend M.J. and no longer believes he was innocent
This too shall pass.Radio Stations stopped playing his music and the Simpsons have removed the episode of him.
This is the same mother that laughs when talking about her son's supposed abuse: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowb...d-michael-jackson-james-safechuck-mum-laughs/ I don't think James and his mother even get along.Heck in the documentary the mother of James Safechuck says " I was so happy he died" Yikes
Statute of Limitations.What I do not understand is both Wade Robson and James Safechuck were brought to court TWICE once as a child (defendable) second time as an adult totally guilty
They were sworn under oath and perjured themselves in a court of law as an adult
Not sure if anyone has ever witnessed cross examination but its the lawyer's job to give full explanation of the question and let there be no room for misrepresentation of the question
How as adults under oath did these guys get away with perjury? Their "lies" caused Michael Jackson to escape jail time and he continued being a free walking pedophile
I am not a lawyer, but please explain to me how someone can admit to perjury In Court and get away with it.
Have you seen the documentary?My heart tells me that Michael didn't do it. I could be wrong, I hope I'm not but people will kill for money. People do crazy shit all the time and then lie about it for their benefit.
Trump, The dude that hired 2 Nigerians to ..... The dude that killed his pregnant wife and two daughters.....
One thing missing is when they were adults and Michael was alive, why didn't they come forward? Did Michael offered them something for their silence?
But to be fair Michael has been judge and he was found innocent.
Have you seen the documentary?
If you haven't, well you need to. Both men come across as credible. Very credible.
Maybe their acting is as good as Jussie Smollet's but they have the cover of Jackson's eccentricity to give it more plausibility. Their past conduct indicates that they're not entirely credible.Have you seen the documentary?
If you haven't, well you need to. Both men come across as credible. Very credible.
Perjury has a statue of limitation?Statute of Limitations.
Only Wade Robson testified twice. James Safechuk refused to testify on behalf of Jackson in 2005. Actually Robson refused to testify on behalf of Jackson as well in 2005, but Jackson's legal team subpoenaed him. And yes, Robson did lie on behalf of Jackson. He explained it that he, despite it all, did not want to see Jackson go to jail. (I'm not sure I believe him on that front, it may be that Jackson paid him off. Either way, he lied for Jackson.)
I don't think Jackson's lawyers wanted Safechuk to testify in 2005. Of the two of them, he is clearly the more damaged one. He would have cracked on the stand.
Have you watched the documentary?Maybe their acting is as good as Jussie Smollet's but they have the cover of Jackson's eccentricity to give it more plausibility. Their past conduct indicates that they're not entirely credible.
Jackson had hundreds of kids at his place over many years, police conducted 70 raids. Not as much as single pedo internet search to his name, nor any other smoking gun. No Clinton-esque stains. Jackson would have made a crummy priest.
