Maybe just limit the bar to members. Non members get a tour, pay the extra price for a session with one of the ladies but can't use the bar. I would think most members want to know if they're sitting at the bar they're among fellow members who not only want privacy but will respect your privacy too.
CMJ spa exposed client's pictures on Twitter
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This would be the way to go. If cmj wants to run their business that way, that's their right, the same way it is any indie sp' right to do so. However, they should make it clear what their policies are, and previously my understanding was that clients would not be outed on twitter for anyd reason (beyond the most severe safety concerns, but even then, take it to the police) and that is clearly not true.
And as kitten said, they still took the photos down, so other sp aren't warned. Hopefully they will share the info privately, and or add them to blacklist sites. That's what should have been done in the first place.
I don't think most or any members really really want non members coming in getting drunk and being less than discrete or just watching the interaction between us and the ladies. I definitely don't want some drunk guy crashing the room while I'm doing a role reversal session with a lady.
This is actually the bigger issue for me. I don't really care if they expose idiots online, but they need to do a much better jobs keeping idiots out in the first place. This incident makes me think their downtown location simply isn't secure. I want to be able to go in, have my session and leave without any exposure to the bar or anyone sitting at it. At least at Brass you don't see them when you're at the desk.
I'd still prefer no bar at all though. I don't want to get drunk and I don't want a session with someone who is drinking.
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I understand the motives for posting the pic but I question it from a business perspective. They should have ate the loss and moved on. Now you have people wondering about how trustworthy and secure CMJ and whether it is professional in that it allowed 2 guys to run up a $500 tab. They must have been wasted when they bolted although they were probably buying drinks for some MAs. I can see the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario taking an interest in this and they play hard ball.
I like CMJ but hubris might bite them if they are not careful.
I like CMJ but hubris might bite them if they are not careful.
Just a little food for thought... What is stopping guys like that or amy other guys hanging out at the bar from taki g videos and pics of staff, of other clients and anything else and posted it all online???
I think it's safe to assume that the $500 figure was likely somewhat exaggerated here as it makes the crime seem more revenge-worthy.
If in reality it was $500, bartender becomes much more responsible here, at least somewhat at fault. I don't think it's uncommon for a bartender to ask to hold a credit card if such a situation looks to be happening.
Lots of clarity missing from CMJ on whether the bar is open to the public or not, and perhaps became way too lax in enforcing memberships and truly being a 'private members only club' (I don't recall if they ask for ID with membership)
As per CMJ website, they are a 'private members ONLY club' and are not open to public. Also, 'only members are legally allowed through the door' unless invited as a guest by a hostess.
https://clubcmj.com/about-us-cmj-upscale-adult-massage-in-ottawa/
If in reality it was $500, bartender becomes much more responsible here, at least somewhat at fault. I don't think it's uncommon for a bartender to ask to hold a credit card if such a situation looks to be happening.
Lots of clarity missing from CMJ on whether the bar is open to the public or not, and perhaps became way too lax in enforcing memberships and truly being a 'private members only club' (I don't recall if they ask for ID with membership)
As per CMJ website, they are a 'private members ONLY club' and are not open to public. Also, 'only members are legally allowed through the door' unless invited as a guest by a hostess.
https://clubcmj.com/about-us-cmj-upscale-adult-massage-in-ottawa/
What would CMJ do if a girl reported that a client stole money from them in the room? Would CMJ post the image of that client? Or do they only do it if the client steals from the CMJ business itself?
+1 to all of the above.
CMJ hasn't state all the facts and reasons why they did and why they removed some of the early posts.
From CMJ ladies Twitter posts and their curious cat, Nobody really gave a clear answer neither. Something about a guy or two was not paying $20 bar tab and rude to the hostesses and pulled prank of taking 5 shoes but they were recovered later? If these were all the actions that they did then CMJ definitely dropped the ball.
Also Wilson is right, I found extremely hard to believe about the $500 bar tab in one hour. The 'one hour' that they spent at the bar was confirmed by a CMJ receptionist in one of her deleted post.
Good point. Members have probably shorted ladies before and haven’t been on blast. Maybe this wasn’t as petty as shorting an MA $40. Either way it’s wrong of course.
I'm starting to think possibly it was an over reaction which is easy to understand. Someone's an asshole so sometimes we just react. They might've deserved it but there's definitely holes in the system if nobody noticed that these clowns were getting out of hand.
I agree with Kitten that no response from CMJ on the questions asked won't cut it here. They could have really messed up peoples lives over allegedly something very minor (if now the bill was actually paid). If a theft of shoes occurred, call the police or create secure shoe storage... Or do anything! Doing nothing solves nothing.
I'm really surprised that CMJ management / ownership are simply just attempting to wait this out without further comment or clarity based on the potential harm caused here (we have no idea what actually happened remember, this story has morphed a few times).
CMJ owes their current and future members a response on:
1) Why they posted the photo, if out of spite and was an error which was corrected, people will likely respect that.
2) What is CMJ's membership policy? Why are non members allowed entry to the bar and MA sessions? This completely contradicts their own posted policies of required membership to get through the door.
A bit of clarity would do CMJ alot of favours, or at least let us know how we can remove our membership information if they are simply holding it unnecessarily and membership requirements are now considered "optional only" to assist with online booking I guess?
Bump to you CMJ, can you please provide the requested clarity for everyone?
Wow! I guess we should check this more often. Unfortunately, due to a complaint that was made about CMJ not being a paid advertiser to the Mod, the CMJ account was suspended. This is why CMJ isn't active on this board anymore and we have focused more on twitter and our events again.
Anyways, on to the matter at hand. First of all, after being in business for over 10 years and having been in the city operating in the massage business for 15 years, Jasmin's and CMJ's reputation and professionalism speaks for itself. A situation like this has NEVER happened prior so with that fact alone you should be able to comprehend the magnitude of the situation and our decision to proceed the way we did.
First and foremost, and ALWAYS, is our commitment to the safety and security of our staff.
Second, is the discretion and privacy of our members and lastly, to our guests.
The only way we would EVER even consider violating the discretion and privacy of the members or guests is if that person, or persons, put the safety or security of our staff at risk. And in our opinion, if you threaten the safety or security of our staff, you deserve whatever consequences are coming your way and for that, WE WILL NOT APOLOGIZE!
There were NO errors, there were NO mistakes in what we did - our reasons to do so were twofold - to warn others of the immediate danger (neighbouring spas, and fellow sex workers) and to have the culprits identified. Once the assholes were identified and the police took over, we removed their photo - its as simple as that! What we find opportunistic and pathetic, is those who have attempted to capitalize on this unfortunate and dangerous situation by attempting to slander us and question our professionalism. Though, the majority of our community all expressed gratitude and support for our actions.
As something that gained little negative traction and ample support on Twitter, a new user with minimal history, with the sole exception of attacking and bashing CMJ as another TERBITE has also pointed out, started this thread in hopes of fulfilling the void left behind on Twitter. The thread also seems to be continuously fueled by other new handles who literally just joined TERB at the same time as the events were unfolding on Twitter ? Odd? We think not - to be honest, it was predictable... and extremely disappointing - but one cannot dismiss the lengths some will go to in their attempts to discredit our success and hopes of derailing the amazing traction our new location has had!
Though, some of the additional commentators have brought up some valid points that we are more then happy to provide clarity.
Rainah wrote: I am concerned that a business that usually proclaimed how well it keeps member's privacy is showing that there are situations in which they would compromise that, without any rules or reassurances. Are there other things they will out people for? What things? We don't know, and that's what concerns me, as well as the vindictive nature of the post.
Please see our statement above as to the ONLY reasons we would ever violate anyone's privacy.
Jazzbox wrote: So how is it that CMJ can legally serve booze? Are they licensed? Outing these guys may have been right in the grand scheme of things but it might well attract some unwanted interest from authorities... Not a smart move.
I understand the motives for posting the pic but I question it from a business perspective. They should have ate the loss and moved on. Now you have people wondering about how trustworthy and secure CMJ and whether it is professional in that it allowed 2 guys to run up a $500 tab. They must have been wasted when they bolted although they were probably buying drinks for some MAs. I can see the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario taking an interest in this and they play hard ball.
I like CMJ but hubris might bite them if they are not careful.
We hold a full time liquor licence at our DT location and are within our legal right to serve alcohol. We also have an outstanding open and
transparent relationship with the Ottawa Police Service and have had so for many many years. They are more then happy to assist us when
we need their services. I this was just about swallowing a $500 loss, we would have easily done so - as money was the last thing on our
minds and we did take the loss that night. We've already discussed the nature of the incident so we don't feel the need to elaborate further.
JohnnyFever wrote:Why were these guys there in the first place, if they weren't members and had nothing booked? If they're letting anyone just come in off the street, then it's not a place I'll be visiting.
We allow guests to come in to discover what CMJ is all about and to see if its for them. Many of the hostesses are in direct contact with
gentlemen from twitter and other places who express interest checking out CMJ. We leave it up to the hostess to decide whether or not they
would like to invite them to the club as their guest and yes, they have to book a specific time to do this. At the DT location, we have a
gorgeous bar and lounge area that is separate from the
rest of the club. This is also where we do our orientations for those wanting to become members. We do not have people "walking in off
the streets" as we have a locked security door and a reception area someone would need to pass before gaining access.
This practice of allowing guests is common and not unique to CMJ - that we can assure you of.
Nesbot wrote: Whatever. If you guys have no issues with their methods of getting even, you have more balls than me. Guess I have more to lose.
We were not "getting even" by our actions - we were ensuring that these two weren't able to continue their abusive and dangerous behavior
elsewhere and needed them to be identified. And unless you plan on coming into our business, abusing and getting aggressive with our
staff and stealing property - you have nothing to "lose".
Pencil wrote: Yeah, I'm just not comfortable with CMJ being judge, jury and executioner when it comes to my personal information.
Again, unless you plan on being a complete dangerous asshole, you have nothing to worry about as our 15 years of history speaks for itself.
Eagartoplease wrote: Until CMJ management comes out and explains all the facts, they are in the wrong on this one. Why were these guys that nobody knew allowed to run up a tab? How were the girls in amy danger (cmj said girls were scared)? Did they leave without paying? Other than leaving without paying, did they do anything else illegal? Please remember that being losers is not illegal. So far it sounds like CMJ management over served 2 patrons and let them run up a huge bill and then the customers bolted. This happens on a nightly basis in bars across the city. So did CMJ post the pics because they lost money? I dont see how any of the girls were affected, they should not have lost amy money and they were not harmed from the sounds of it, so is it just sour grapes from the owners?
What would CMJ do if a girl reported that a client stole money from them in the room? Would CMJ post the image of that client? Or do they only do it if the client steals from the CMJ business itself?
There are details I cannot provide due to the ongoing investigations and pending charges. However, its really not that difficult for two guys
to run a tab or $500 or more. Considering the prices of our membership, sessions and that we offer a variety of premium bottles of wines
and expensive champagne. Secondly, I have already mentioned multiple times the nature of the incident that happened and our reasons for
doing so. Third, please see our rationale and protocols for allowing guests discussed above and know that, guests do not have the same
privileges or access as members. Further, over the many years we have been in business we have swallowed tons of financial loss - from
covering ladies who were accidentally shorted or stolen from by other hostesses, to being stolen from by ladies etc. - if this was just about
money then this would be an non issue
Ebron99 wrote: Imagine all the scenarios where your privacy could be at risk now: What if you said something wrong and insulted one of the girls? what if they miscounted your payment? is your face going to be put on blast then?
With alcohol flowing for both the clients and girls who knows what kind of misunderstandings can happen. `Judge, jury, and executioner` of your privacy is right.
No, there's only one scenario and that includes threatening the safety and security of our staff. Our actions are not uncommon for this
industry - bad and dangerous client lists exist and information, photos etc are readily shared. The key to ensuring you are not part of this,
treat people with respect.
Cuddlebuddy2 wrote: I don't want to meet or see any clients going in or coming out.
Don't worry - as mentioned our bar and lounge area is completely separate and we have our ways to control traffic. Our commitment to
privacy in this regard isn't in question.
Stdoug wrote: Maybe just limit the bar to members. Non members get a tour, pay the extra price for a session with one of the ladies but can't use the bar. I would think most members want to know if they're sitting at the bar they're among fellow members who not only want privacy but will respect your privacy too.
The bar is actually the best place to host non members initially as they are limited in their access to the club as a whole. And the same
goes for the seduction lounge at the west. We would never allow unsuspecting members to walk into the bar area without prior warning of
who else is in the bar area and vice versa for visiting guests.
We apologize for not responding to everyone, but it looks like we were able to cover all concerns and topics covered in our responses above. We will not address the OP, as we know who that person is. Interestingly enough and as a twist of fate - the guys involved happened to leave a phone behind. The content of the phone is also part of the investigation and there may be a chance that this was not a random attack. If we are able to provide more details, we will do so as we love FULL transparency!
Anyways, on to the matter at hand. First of all, after being in business for over 10 years and having been in the city operating in the massage business for 15 years, Jasmin's and CMJ's reputation and professionalism speaks for itself. A situation like this has NEVER happened prior so with that fact alone you should be able to comprehend the magnitude of the situation and our decision to proceed the way we did.
First and foremost, and ALWAYS, is our commitment to the safety and security of our staff.
Second, is the discretion and privacy of our members and lastly, to our guests.
The only way we would EVER even consider violating the discretion and privacy of the members or guests is if that person, or persons, put the safety or security of our staff at risk. And in our opinion, if you threaten the safety or security of our staff, you deserve whatever consequences are coming your way and for that, WE WILL NOT APOLOGIZE!
There were NO errors, there were NO mistakes in what we did - our reasons to do so were twofold - to warn others of the immediate danger (neighbouring spas, and fellow sex workers) and to have the culprits identified. Once the assholes were identified and the police took over, we removed their photo - its as simple as that! What we find opportunistic and pathetic, is those who have attempted to capitalize on this unfortunate and dangerous situation by attempting to slander us and question our professionalism. Though, the majority of our community all expressed gratitude and support for our actions.
As something that gained little negative traction and ample support on Twitter, a new user with minimal history, with the sole exception of attacking and bashing CMJ as another TERBITE has also pointed out, started this thread in hopes of fulfilling the void left behind on Twitter. The thread also seems to be continuously fueled by other new handles who literally just joined TERB at the same time as the events were unfolding on Twitter ? Odd? We think not - to be honest, it was predictable... and extremely disappointing - but one cannot dismiss the lengths some will go to in their attempts to discredit our success and hopes of derailing the amazing traction our new location has had!
Though, some of the additional commentators have brought up some valid points that we are more then happy to provide clarity.
Rainah wrote: I am concerned that a business that usually proclaimed how well it keeps member's privacy is showing that there are situations in which they would compromise that, without any rules or reassurances. Are there other things they will out people for? What things? We don't know, and that's what concerns me, as well as the vindictive nature of the post.
Please see our statement above as to the ONLY reasons we would ever violate anyone's privacy.
Jazzbox wrote: So how is it that CMJ can legally serve booze? Are they licensed? Outing these guys may have been right in the grand scheme of things but it might well attract some unwanted interest from authorities... Not a smart move.
I understand the motives for posting the pic but I question it from a business perspective. They should have ate the loss and moved on. Now you have people wondering about how trustworthy and secure CMJ and whether it is professional in that it allowed 2 guys to run up a $500 tab. They must have been wasted when they bolted although they were probably buying drinks for some MAs. I can see the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario taking an interest in this and they play hard ball.
I like CMJ but hubris might bite them if they are not careful.
We hold a full time liquor licence at our DT location and are within our legal right to serve alcohol. We also have an outstanding open and
transparent relationship with the Ottawa Police Service and have had so for many many years. They are more then happy to assist us when
we need their services. I this was just about swallowing a $500 loss, we would have easily done so - as money was the last thing on our
minds and we did take the loss that night. We've already discussed the nature of the incident so we don't feel the need to elaborate further.
JohnnyFever wrote:Why were these guys there in the first place, if they weren't members and had nothing booked? If they're letting anyone just come in off the street, then it's not a place I'll be visiting.
We allow guests to come in to discover what CMJ is all about and to see if its for them. Many of the hostesses are in direct contact with
gentlemen from twitter and other places who express interest checking out CMJ. We leave it up to the hostess to decide whether or not they
would like to invite them to the club as their guest and yes, they have to book a specific time to do this. At the DT location, we have a
gorgeous bar and lounge area that is separate from the
rest of the club. This is also where we do our orientations for those wanting to become members. We do not have people "walking in off
the streets" as we have a locked security door and a reception area someone would need to pass before gaining access.
This practice of allowing guests is common and not unique to CMJ - that we can assure you of.
Nesbot wrote: Whatever. If you guys have no issues with their methods of getting even, you have more balls than me. Guess I have more to lose.
We were not "getting even" by our actions - we were ensuring that these two weren't able to continue their abusive and dangerous behavior
elsewhere and needed them to be identified. And unless you plan on coming into our business, abusing and getting aggressive with our
staff and stealing property - you have nothing to "lose".
Pencil wrote: Yeah, I'm just not comfortable with CMJ being judge, jury and executioner when it comes to my personal information.
Again, unless you plan on being a complete dangerous asshole, you have nothing to worry about as our 15 years of history speaks for itself.
Eagartoplease wrote: Until CMJ management comes out and explains all the facts, they are in the wrong on this one. Why were these guys that nobody knew allowed to run up a tab? How were the girls in amy danger (cmj said girls were scared)? Did they leave without paying? Other than leaving without paying, did they do anything else illegal? Please remember that being losers is not illegal. So far it sounds like CMJ management over served 2 patrons and let them run up a huge bill and then the customers bolted. This happens on a nightly basis in bars across the city. So did CMJ post the pics because they lost money? I dont see how any of the girls were affected, they should not have lost amy money and they were not harmed from the sounds of it, so is it just sour grapes from the owners?
What would CMJ do if a girl reported that a client stole money from them in the room? Would CMJ post the image of that client? Or do they only do it if the client steals from the CMJ business itself?
There are details I cannot provide due to the ongoing investigations and pending charges. However, its really not that difficult for two guys
to run a tab or $500 or more. Considering the prices of our membership, sessions and that we offer a variety of premium bottles of wines
and expensive champagne. Secondly, I have already mentioned multiple times the nature of the incident that happened and our reasons for
doing so. Third, please see our rationale and protocols for allowing guests discussed above and know that, guests do not have the same
privileges or access as members. Further, over the many years we have been in business we have swallowed tons of financial loss - from
covering ladies who were accidentally shorted or stolen from by other hostesses, to being stolen from by ladies etc. - if this was just about
money then this would be an non issue
Ebron99 wrote: Imagine all the scenarios where your privacy could be at risk now: What if you said something wrong and insulted one of the girls? what if they miscounted your payment? is your face going to be put on blast then?
With alcohol flowing for both the clients and girls who knows what kind of misunderstandings can happen. `Judge, jury, and executioner` of your privacy is right.
No, there's only one scenario and that includes threatening the safety and security of our staff. Our actions are not uncommon for this
industry - bad and dangerous client lists exist and information, photos etc are readily shared. The key to ensuring you are not part of this,
treat people with respect.
Cuddlebuddy2 wrote: I don't want to meet or see any clients going in or coming out.
Don't worry - as mentioned our bar and lounge area is completely separate and we have our ways to control traffic. Our commitment to
privacy in this regard isn't in question.
Stdoug wrote: Maybe just limit the bar to members. Non members get a tour, pay the extra price for a session with one of the ladies but can't use the bar. I would think most members want to know if they're sitting at the bar they're among fellow members who not only want privacy but will respect your privacy too.
The bar is actually the best place to host non members initially as they are limited in their access to the club as a whole. And the same
goes for the seduction lounge at the west. We would never allow unsuspecting members to walk into the bar area without prior warning of
who else is in the bar area and vice versa for visiting guests.
We apologize for not responding to everyone, but it looks like we were able to cover all concerns and topics covered in our responses above. We will not address the OP, as we know who that person is. Interestingly enough and as a twist of fate - the guys involved happened to leave a phone behind. The content of the phone is also part of the investigation and there may be a chance that this was not a random attack. If we are able to provide more details, we will do so as we love FULL transparency!
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