Over 1000 gun thefts reported each year. How many unreported out of fear of unsafe strorage charges? Maybe 3 or 4x?
US citizen smuggled 64 handguns using NEXUS pass...
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How could they be long gun? It says he stuffed 3 of them in his underwear. I know he's black and all, but I still think a long gun in his pants would raise suspicions.Those 64 guns were not handguns. They were long-guns. You can buy a long-gun over the counter if you have a firearms license. You can't do that if you want to buy a handgun because every purchase/transfer is subject to approval by the Ontario Provincial Police, and it takes at least 2 weeks.
So you're saying that aggressiveness of the police leads to non-reporting of stolen guns? Maybe the police are part of the problem and they should clean up their act?Over 1000 gun thefts reported each year. How many unreported out of fear of unsafe strorage charges? Maybe 3 or 4x?
The standard of proof for charging someone with unsafe storage is if the place in which the guns were placed could be open without the use of tools or a key.
Well that is what it used to be, I would say that is not sufficient. Guns are valubable and dangerous. Its also not possible to really operate them without people knowing what you own by seeing you at the range. Gun owners should be forced to account for their weapons on demand and be liable for them at all times.So you're saying that aggressiveness of the police leads to non-reporting of stolen guns? Maybe the police are part of the problem and they should clean up their act?
The standard of proof for charging someone with unsafe storage is if the place in which the guns were placed could be open without the use of tools or a key.
I was referring to the Di Danielli statement about a Canadian selling 47 guns for $50,000 in the GTA.How could they be long gun? It says he stuffed 3 of them in his underwear. I know he's black and all, but I still think a long gun in his pants would raise suspicions.
Cite me the article where it says that a guy made $100,000 on 64 guns and stuck 3 in his underwear. If he stuck 3 in his underwear, why was he hiding them if they were legal purchases? I think you're pulling stuff out of your ass, or it happened in the US.
It is sufficient.Well that is what it used to be, I would say that is not sufficient. Guns are valubable and dangerous. Its also not possible to really operate them without people knowing what you own by seeing you at the range. Gun owners should be forced to account for their weapons on demand and be liable for them at all times.
You keep missing that there is anywhere from 12 to 20 million guns in Canada, and less than 0.01% are stolen a year.
The police lose hundreds of guns a year. You should be more worried about this as their guns don't have to meet the same restrictions as civilian guns.
Computer fraud and child porn is rampant. Cell phone and computer owners should be forced to account for their computers on demand and be liable for them at all times.
Ever hear of the Charter of Rights?
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Gun owners are actually accountable for their firearms, if you happen to read the Firearms Act. Selling or giving to an unlicensed person is trafficking (8 years in prison), and not reporting a lost or stolen firearm is also a criminal offense. The Chief Firearms Officer (OPP) is authorized to visit and inspect the owner of 10 or more firearms without a warrant upon at least 2 hours notice. Other than that, police can get a search warrant if shorter notice is required. You then have to account for your handguns/restricted firearms. What's so hard to understand about that?Well that is what it used to be, I would say that is not sufficient. Guns are valubable and dangerous. Its also not possible to really operate them without people knowing what you own by seeing you at the range. Gun owners should be forced to account for their weapons on demand and be liable for them at all times.
The current jurisprudence wrt what is reasonable storage is [again] that the place where the firearms are stored must not be accessible without the use of tools or a lock. If you don't like that, and if you think that a gun safe has to be nuke proof, lobby your politicians as the present situation is the law of the land. You're implying that cars should be banned unless they are crash proof.
Who do you think hang around gun ranges anyway, other than club members and their guests? Uninvited guests including gangbangers are not allowed. You have absolutely no idea. In fact, I think you're hysterical.
It always amazes me how little common sense or logic many people have. Criminals do not obey the laws. Gun control laws do nothing but take away the rights of law abiding and peace loving citizens.
Ignorance, fear and prejudice walk hand in hand.
Ignorance, fear and prejudice walk hand in hand.
"Its also not possible to really operate them without people knowing what you own by seeing you at the range.". What does that mean? Someone has to see you operate a specific firearm to figure out how to use it? Well that's crap. I guess you figure bad guys casually hang around a range, watch strangers shoot without being noticed and learn to operate a gun, then follow them home, break in, and only steal the guns they saw the person shoot. Oh right, bad guys don't have Youtube to learn how a gun works. "Gun owners should be forced to account for their weapons on demand and be liable for them at all times."....ummmm, they are. Now go shoot a bear with a 9mm and let us know how it all works out.Well that is what it used to be, I would say that is not sufficient. Guns are valubable and dangerous. Its also not possible to really operate them without people knowing what you own by seeing you at the range. Gun owners should be forced to account for their weapons on demand and be liable for them at all times.
Oh! stop that nonsense about comparing cars to guns. you need a key to operate a car and they are working on making them self driving. Would you fancy your chances of crossing a road or a live shooting range? That comparison is about as idiotic as the one you make.Gun owners are actually accountable for their firearms, if you happen to read the Firearms Act. Selling or giving to an unlicensed person is trafficking (8 years in prison), and not reporting a lost or stolen firearm is also a criminal offense. The Chief Firearms Officer (OPP) is authorized to visit and inspect the owner of 10 or more firearms without a warrant upon at least 2 hours notice. Other than that, police can get a search warrant if shorter notice is required. You then have to account for your handguns/restricted firearms. What's so hard to understand about that?
The current jurisprudence wrt what is reasonable storage is [again] that the place where the firearms are stored must not be accessible without the use of tools or a lock. If you don't like that, and if you think that a gun safe has to be nuke proof, lobby your politicians as the present situation is the law of the land. You're implying that cars should be banned unless they are crash proof.
Who do you think hang around gun ranges anyway, other than club members and their guests? Uninvited guests including gangbangers are not allowed. You have absolutely no idea. In fact, I think you're hysterical.
Yes, it is a well known fact that cars can only be operated if you have a key. Just ask car thieves.Oh! stop that nonsense about comparing cars to guns. you need a key to operate a car and they are working on making them self driving. Would you fancy your chances of crossing a road or a live shooting range? That comparison is about as idiotic as the one you make.
Unless you think this guy has a REALLY huge anal cavity... he was SMUGGLING THE GUNS IN HIS UNDERWEARThose 64 guns were not handguns. They were long-guns. You can buy a long-gun over the counter if you have a firearms license. You can't do that if you want to buy a handgun because every purchase/transfer is subject to approval by the Ontario Provincial Police, and it takes at least 2 weeks.
Guns smugglers get their guns from the US. So what does that have to do with licensed Canadian gun owners, who's handguns John Tory wants to ban in order to solve the handgun problem in gang infested areas of Toronto?
If he had a long gun there it would be quite obvious
Gun grabbers routinely make comparisons between guns and cars 'you register your car, so why not your guns.... bal bla bla!'Oh! stop that nonsense about comparing cars to guns. you need a key to operate a car and they are working on making them self driving. Would you fancy your chances of crossing a road or a live shooting range? That comparison is about as idiotic as the one you make.
You dismiss it when it doesn't suit your bias.
You haven't answered my question:
"Cite me the article where it says that a guy made $100,000 on 64 guns and stuck 3 in his underwear. If he stuck 3 in his underwear, why was he hiding them if they were legal purchases? I think you're pulling stuff out of your ass, or it happened in the US. "
Was he a US smuggler or a Canadian selling guns legally bought in Canada?
Come on, I want to know
If you don't hear from him Wilbur, then I apologize, it may be my fault. He said you could hunt a bear with a 9mm pistol, and I challenged him to do it. We know how that would turn out. He then said that you need a key to operate a car, and I told him to ask car thieves about that. I'm guessing that might not be a wise thing to do either. Oooops.Gun grabbers routinely make comparisons between guns and cars 'you register your car, so why not your guns.... bal bla bla!'
You dismiss it when it doesn't suit your bias.
You haven't answered my question:
"Cite me the article where it says that a guy made $100,000 on 64 guns and stuck 3 in his underwear. If he stuck 3 in his underwear, why was he hiding them if they were legal purchases? I think you're pulling stuff out of your ass, or it happened in the US. "
Was he a US smuggler or a Canadian selling guns legally bought in Canada?
Come on, I want to know
I would hope so but he only needs to do it once to get guns in the hands of criminals....
If a person is intent on making a living on selling/trafficking handguns, how is he going to continue doing that if the Chief Firearms Officer denies transfers because he continuously claims that he gets his guns stolen? How about when the guns are recovered at a crime scene, and an investigation shows that both seller and buyer knew each other? Nowadays, guns can be traced forensically even if serial numbers are ground off.
Would you agree that in the cases where the police can show a link or a straw purchase that the original legal purchaser should face legal consequences?
And after 100 years of car registration, how many times have the "car grabbers" taken away cars?Gun grabbers routinely make comparisons between guns and cars 'you register your car, so why not your guns.... bal bla bla!'...
Absolutely, but it would be the last legal purchaser, not the first. The straw purchaser is originally a legal purchaser.I would hope so but he only needs to do it once to get guns in the hands of criminals.
Would you agree that in the cases where the police can show a link or a straw purchase that the original legal purchaser should face legal consequences?
It is rare in Canada, because the handgun is registered to the buyer, unlike the US. The few Canadians who have engaged in this would have been stupid enough not to know how easy it was to get caught. It's usually 5 to 8 years imprisonment in Canada.
It would happen once, but the supply of handguns would be limited to the few the CFO would authorise for transfer, as the CFO would never allow the purchase/sale of more than a couple within a reasonable period of time, and more would trigger a police investigation.
If you are referring to 'car grabbers' as political activists, not that it actually happens for the only reason that too many people own them and it would be political suicide to legislate cars away.And after 100 years of car registration, how many times have the "car grabbers" taken away cars?
The newer high end cars can now be stolen by cracking the encryption key of the remote access link using a smart phone App.If you don't hear from him Wilbur, then I apologize, it may be my fault. He said you could hunt a bear with a 9mm pistol, and I challenged him to do it. We know how that would turn out. He then said that you need a key to operate a car, and I told him to ask car thieves about that. I'm guessing that might not be a wise thing to do either. Oooops.
It does not say how much $$ it made, but it does say he had 3 guns in his pants. Can you not read? The guns were probably purchased legally in the US, but imported and sold illegally in Canada. Why is that so hard to understand. Yes 100% guns should be registered because they are aboutr 10,000 more lethal then a car for the very simple reason they were designed specifically as a killing tool.Gun grabbers routinely make comparisons between guns and cars 'you register your car, so why not your guns.... bal bla bla!'
You dismiss it when it doesn't suit your bias.
You haven't answered my question:
"Cite me the article where it says that a guy made $100,000 on 64 guns and stuck 3 in his underwear. If he stuck 3 in his underwear, why was he hiding them if they were legal purchases? I think you're pulling stuff out of your ass, or it happened in the US. "
Was he a US smuggler or a Canadian selling guns legally bought in Canada?
Come on, I want to know
