Too many. (According to York Regional Police: a rising number.)
Bingo. Not exactly revelatory. How often do you read in the media, for any number of other offenses: "Charged is so-and-so, 23, of Toronto, Ontario...". Is that 'shaming'?
York police starts publicly naming people charged with impaired driving
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Tell that to all the loved ones who have been killed by drunk and/or impaired drivers and to the many future ones who will be in this situation. This is a form of education for the masses and a proactive approach to prevent our most precious and innocent members from out society of getting killed or hurt.
Diplomacy, political correctness and peoples feelings all sounds good and great on paper however in reality people are selfish pieces of shit and no matter how nice you act they will always just think about whats good for them at the moment. Worst part to this is that there are consequences to the innocent based on this mindset.
I see only one solution which is a system based on universal principles however society is not ready to embrace and live it, particularly because it does not serve their selfish needs. This is why we need to stoop down to their level and talk in their language.
What is your solution?
Public shaming has been taken to a level beyond reason. Sorry but that is just fact. Regardless of what the shaming is or if you personally agree with the negative impact of the offence being shamed. We have laws and penalties. Education is not the same as shaming. This is purely shaming. Nothing else.
My statement does not negate my feelings on drunk driving, on what the victims of a drunk driver go through, or anything of the sort. So please don't try and tote victims in my face as a way to counter my point.
Shaming is huge now that smartphones, internet etc, has become available as a tech boom for people. Doesn't make it right. When we are resorting to public shaming as the deterrent, then we as a society are doing something wrong. You are free to disagree.
My comments are not personal to you at all and I barely know who you are. Its just a discussion and my opinions about the point you made.
I don't have hope that there is another way to deal with this. Its unfortunate but true and this keeps happening.
In the time that we try to think of a way to prevent further drunk driving incidents more and more innocent people will be killed. The seconds keep ticking and we are losing them. Ever incident is too many.
Tell me how would you prevent the drunk driving incidents from occurring and/or reducing the rates starting from now. Ride checks are not doing much, direct education is not doing much. I don't have the figures but it keeps happening over and over again.
People need to feel the consequences. People who don't drive impaired have nothing to worry about, I see nothing wrong with this. They need to be held accountable and pay the consequences for hurting the innocent. Why are we protecting the ones who choose to do harm to others?
I don't have hope that there is another way to deal with this. Its unfortunate but true and this keeps happening.
In the time that we try to think of a way to prevent further drunk driving incidents more and more innocent people will be killed. The seconds keep ticking and we are losing them. Ever incident is too many.
Tell me how would you prevent the drunk driving incidents from occurring and/or reducing the rates starting from now. Ride checks are not doing much, direct education is not doing much. I don't have the figures but it keeps happening over and over again.
People need to feel the consequences. People who don't drive impaired have nothing to worry about, I see nothing wrong with this. They need to be held accountable and pay the consequences for hurting the innocent. Why are we protecting the ones who choose to do harm to others?
Don't forget the new compulsory breath tests for drivers law coming into effect this month as well.
Hopefully it does not end up being legalized carding.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/you...compulsory-breath-tests-for-drivers-1.4203905
"During the legislative process, serious concerns were raised over the constitutionality of the mandatory testing, with Conservatives in the Senate seeking to remove the provisions allowing for these random tests to be done without grounds.
Facing questions about the constitutionality and the potential for civil rights to be infringed on, or racial profiling in the execution of this new provision, Wilson-Raybould said she is "100 per cent confident" that it doesn't violate the charter, pointing back to the charter statement she issued, which lays out federal lawyers' arguments for why the legislation is compliant with the constitution.
But Wilson-Raybould said she has "every expectation" that this law will be challenged.
On CTV's Power Play, criminal lawyer Michael Spratt said a challenge is definitely coming, including on the use of police discretion to pull people over and to demand these tests, because based on previous studies, young men of colour are pulled over at a disproportionate rate to their white counterparts."
Hopefully it does not end up being legalized carding.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/you...compulsory-breath-tests-for-drivers-1.4203905
"During the legislative process, serious concerns were raised over the constitutionality of the mandatory testing, with Conservatives in the Senate seeking to remove the provisions allowing for these random tests to be done without grounds.
Facing questions about the constitutionality and the potential for civil rights to be infringed on, or racial profiling in the execution of this new provision, Wilson-Raybould said she is "100 per cent confident" that it doesn't violate the charter, pointing back to the charter statement she issued, which lays out federal lawyers' arguments for why the legislation is compliant with the constitution.
But Wilson-Raybould said she has "every expectation" that this law will be challenged.
On CTV's Power Play, criminal lawyer Michael Spratt said a challenge is definitely coming, including on the use of police discretion to pull people over and to demand these tests, because based on previous studies, young men of colour are pulled over at a disproportionate rate to their white counterparts."
I'm with you on that. Publish their names only after they're convicted.
And has it been effective in reducing the numbers of impaired drivers? Because according to the researcher I was listening to, he said it has made absolutely no difference in jurisdictions who've had this in place. He went on to say it was however effective in ruining the lives of those who were charged but not convicted.
Right? Might as well parade individuals charged with impaired down the main street.
Where will it stop, is a very good question. In less than 2 weeks, cops will be able to pull over any vehicle, at any time, without needing reasonable grounds to suspect the driver may be impaired as spraggamuffin mentioned above.
If that's okay, then why shouldn't we allow police to randomly pull over drivers and search for illegal drugs or weapons. Or for that matter, search people for the same things as they walk down the street. I mean, it's all in the interest of public safety, right?
According to MADD, the number of fatalities involving drugs alone is double those involving alcohol alone. Maybe cops should be allowed to randomly pull people and demand a small blood sample for testing.
No it won't work for a variety of different reasons.
They really need to come up with a totally different approach. All these "don't drink and drive" commercials and so forth are useless. RIDE is effective in a very small way in that many drivers will take routes where they know RIDE will never be set up. It's like beating a dead horse. They need to come up with something else.
Make breath alcohol ignition interlock device mandatory in every vehicle sold. Problem solved. It will no doubt inconvenience the majority of the driving population who don't drink and drive. But I'm sure everyone will understand that it's in the best interest of public safety.
How does that work if your passenger is drunk will it pick up the fumes...is there a way to cheat the system if you need to blow into it to start the vehicle. How about high on weed, can it detect this? I think its a good idea provided if it actually works and can detect impairment. Maybe they invent some type of Artificial Intelligence test that studies your eyes and can automatically detect if you are impaired based on your normal behaviour, pupils and movement etc...in theory it sounds good but I question how effective they are at this point in time.
I'd agree if the impaired charge was only based on Field Sobriety Testing like walking a straight line, but if it followed blowing over .08, why not?
Breath alcohol ignition interlock devices already exist. People convicted of alcohol driving offences are often required to install them into their vehicles. It doesn't matter if the passenger is drunk. It won't affect the driver's BAC. Detecting drugs is much more difficult. That said, if they were to make the alcohol interlocks mandatory, it would prevent many of the alcohol related driving deaths.
This of course will do nothing to prevent the 80% of driving deaths cause by sober people.
If a person is convicted of alcohol impaired driving in California an interlock is mandatory.
I’m sure with today’s technology a cell phone could be made inoperable in a vehicle unless it senses a hand free device.
Good point but the police will be given the authority to conduct a breathalyzer without probable cause. You can be pulled over for a broken tail light or just pulled over and given a breathalyzer test. At a Ride Spot check you can answer NO and the police has a some extra time and give you a test, then without your day in court be named. I believe a constitional case can be made with a 50/50 chance of success.
Under Harper 2.0 johns arrested will be publicly shamed, it's what the conservative regious base wants. The best Trudeau can do for us is not touch the subject of the sex trade.
Agree. Further another problem is that the press reports John Dow was arrested, they seldom report on the the same page in the same size type that John Dow was a acquitted, or that the judge had very harsh words for police.
