Talking to students about Rape Culture on a college campus

[frankcastle]

How convenient that denying rape culture is an example of rape culture. What a brilliant argument! Makes it untouchable then, doesn't it?

That's the problem with debate these days. The moment someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of committing some foul sin. Don't agree rape culture is a thing? You're perpetuating rape!
Considering the hobby we're in, I'd think people would have a little more understanding of the finer points of perspective. Plenty in society would immediately dismiss our arguments as to why this hobby isn't immoral, simply because they think we're perpetuating the exploitation of women.

Read more carefully it says "denial of widespread rape"

What constitutes widespread I'm not sure.

What I will say is that when people are afraid to come forward, when football coaches and the church turn a blind eye, and people accuse victims of having ulterior motives.... I'd say there's a problem

 

[rhuarc29]

Read more carefully it says "denial of widespread rape"

What constitutes widespread I'm not sure.

It doesn't matter if widespread means everyone or one person, if denial of its existence proves its existence, it's a perpetual loop and not a sound argument.

 

[frankcastle]

It doesn't matter if widespread means everyone or one person, if denial of its existence proves its existence, it's a perpetual loop and not a sound argument.

"It is an Amercing continent and the total reported cases of rape in this country are 2,516,918. These are only six percent of the total rape cases. It is reported that over one in three women had experienced a sexual assault and that only 6% of sexual assaults were reported to the police. According to Justice Institute of British Columbia, one out of every 17 women is raped, 62% of rape victims were physically injured, 9% were beaten or disfigured."

https://www.wonderslist.com/10-countries-highest-rape-crime/

According to the above we are 8th in the world

They are not saying denial proves it. They are saying denial in the face of statistics is part of the problem.

It's the concept that people who downplay or minimize the problem are part of the problem.

For example, people who want to separate the sex assaults from rapes. I wonder if they use the same logic with the NRA.... that due to their name they only care about rifles.

Anyways, the point I'm making is that if people want to discuss rape culture at least take the time to read up on it rather than just making up definitions (e.g. Smallcock)

I'll go one further to say that we have a rape culture that also affects men! There are a lot of male victims out there who are basically ignored.

 

[dshaw4096]

Perhaps since I was in the geek crowd I never heard of rape in university. Post university I do know 2 guys who were accused of rape by their wife/girlfriend. The police found irrefutable evidence that the accusations were 100% fabricated and so neither went to court.

 

[rhuarc29]

For example, people who want to separate the sex assaults from rapes. I wonder if they use the same logic with the NRA.... that due to their name they only care about rifles.

Sexual assaults ARE different from rapes, just as assault rifles are different from handguns. You actually provided the perfect analogy for the opposite of your point.
Yes, these things can be debated together, but they're not on the same level, nor should they be treated as equal.

They are not saying denial proves it. They are saying denial in the face of statistics is part of the problem.

It's the concept that people who downplay or minimize the problem are part of the problem.

Downplaying is only part of the problem if the problem hasn't already been over-hyped. You presented a freaking wonderslist as your statistical evidence. Three problems with that. One, there is factual errors on the list as it states the stats are two years old at the top, but four years old at the bottom. Two, it doesn't list where it pulled the stats from. Three, even if they pulled those stats from a relevant source, anyone who works with statistics (like I do) know that they can be skewed to favour a particular argument by playing with semantics. What constitutes rape? How was the data collected? Were answers objective-based or subjective-based?

We are inundated with the belief that rape is rampant on campuses (aka rape culture). While rape is occurring on campuses, and it is a big deal, the response needs to be proportionate to reality, not to ideology.