Hot Take: Nylander Will No Longer Be A Leaf (next year)....and That's Okay
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The thing I've never understood about these hold outs, and maybe someone can explain it to me....
For easy math, lets say Nylander wants 6 mill a year for 4 years but is only offered 5.5 a year. So he would basically be getting 22 million instead of 24 million, but by sitting out a year and losing 5.5 million, he might not ever recoup that money. It seems like your gambling 5.5 million to make an extra 2 million.
I kind of made the same analogy with my friend about someone we knew trying to rent out a basement apartment.
He was advertising it for $900.00 a month, but was having trouble getting anyone to bite on that amount, but did have people offer $800.00 which he wouldn't accept. So if the apartment goes un-rented for 2 months, and finally gets a tenant to pay $900.00, yes he get's that extra $100 a month feels like he's getting market value for his apartment, but he has to wait 16 months to break even on the fact he lost 2 months he could have rented for $800.00 a month.
For every month that goes by that the apartment is still empty, the ratio becomes that much worse. (i.e, if a 3rd month goes by, now he needs to wait 24 months to make back the $2400.00 he missed out on)
It is my understanding that R.F.A.'s in NHL are not eligible for NTC's in contracts.
I stand to be corrected on that, but that's how I've read it.
I believe you are correct. I’m not exactly sure how the bonus money is paid but I believe if there is a work stoppage bonus money still has to be paid which is why McDavid and Tavares have over half their contract to be paid out as bonus money.
More than half, indeed !!
McJesus: $86,000,000 in signing bonuses, $14,000,000 in player salary
Tavares: $70,890,000 in signing bonuses, $6,110,000 in player salary
You are correct. But since he is paid very cheaply now, he is not missing out on a lot of money.
Plus they are negotiating for a future higher salary, so it is worthwhile financially to hold out. The problem that they don't realize is that he is almost GUARANTEED to be traded either way. He won't be a fit in the long run.
If he gets a high salary, it will be harder to trade him but not impossible. He can't get a no trade clause right now.
I don't find enough hosts talking about how they don't NEED him as much as they need the money and improvement in defence.
But he wouldn't be cheap this year. The contract and salary would include this pay no???
He is an RFA without a contract for next season.
He is on his entry level contract this season so he isn't missing as much money as he could be.
Ah, I was trying to find that info. I was looking on capfriendly.com but couldn't seem to find it.
He (Nylander) is not being paid at all right now, he is a R.F.A.
He's not on an E.L.C. He has completed that contract.
your explanation works for me.
the other part is the taxes, how much do you want to give the Canadian government? the more you make the more they take. There has to be EGO in the amount of salary you earn because at some point you get paid enough that a million more just won't make much difference to your life style but it does indicate you are a better player than someone else.
Reminds me of Alexei Yashin.
Dude holds out for a contract. The next year he tried holding out for the contract he held out to get. Senators basically said "fuck you. You can sit out all year". That's what ended up happening so he ended up losing money because he was supposed make about 3.5 million that year.
Unless something drastic happens, e.g. an offer sheet, rash of injuries to key forwards or the team goes into a funk and needs a boost, Nylander is fighting a losing battle.
The longer he holds out, the more he'll lose not only financially, it will also have a negative impact of his performance and his relationship to the fans. What leverage does he have other than the aforementioned scenarios which are unlikely to happen ? He's in a much worse position than the landlord in your analogy as he's dealing in a monopoly and not an open market.
It'd be understandable if the Leafs are offering much less than 6mil per for a long term extension. For anything over 6mil, it would be terrible advice from his agent or father not to accept imo.
The longer he holds out, the more he'll lose not only financially, it will also have a negative impact of his performance and his relationship to the fans. What leverage does he have other than the aforementioned scenarios which are unlikely to happen ? He's in a much worse position than the landlord in your analogy as he's dealing in a monopoly and not an open market.
It'd be understandable if the Leafs are offering much less than 6mil per for a long term extension. For anything over 6mil, it would be terrible advice from his agent or father not to accept imo.
I heard that too. Again it's speculation like the "8 mil" asking by the Nylander camp. I guess that's the reason why a deal is so hard to reach.
If true, it (low balling) could backfire on the Leafs. What if, an offer sheet comes in at 7.5 ? The Leafs would be forced to match when they could've locked him up for 6-6.2 range.
The Leafs don't have to match, they will get compensation (draft picks) from the other team that signs him.
I read the other day the Leafs want to pay Nylander around 6-6.25. They want it less than Pasternak’s aav of 6.75. Makes sense as Nylander isn’t as good as Pasternak. He’ll also have a harder time getting opportunities given the way Matthews, Marner and Tavares are playing. Nylander, or his advisers, think he’s worth more than Pasternak. I disagree and I think the Leafs do too.
True, but for under 8.1 mil the compensation would only be 1st, 2nd and 3rd right ? There are only a few teams that have the cap space and draft picks sufficient to tender an offer sheet. I think Vancouver and Carolina are two likely candidates. These teams are much improved and I don't think the 1st round pick will be a lottery pick. I'd rather have Nylander than a low first round pick.
The offer sheet scenario is rather unlikely. I only brought that up because of the speculation of under 5 mil offered by the Leafs as quoted by Shack.
The offer sheet scenario is rather unlikely. I only brought that up because of the speculation of under 5 mil offered by the Leafs as quoted by Shack.
