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bucky88

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I've been thinking for a long time about getting a vintage car, preferably a convertible roadster. I don't want a project car but one that's in good drivable condition and something I can learn how to maintain. Something like these:

Alfa Romeo Spyder https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...alfa-romeo-spider/1371684266?siteLocale=en_CA
Mercedes SL-500 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...-roadster-low-kms/1387855372?siteLocale=en_CA
MGB https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/mississauga-peel-region/1965-mgb/1384740477?siteLocale=en_CA

Any tips or advice?

B88
 

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I've been thinking for a long time about getting a vintage car, preferably a convertible roadster. I don't want a project car but one that's in good drivable condition and something I can learn how to maintain. Something like these:

Alfa Romeo Spyder https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...alfa-romeo-spider/1371684266?siteLocale=en_CA
Mercedes SL-500 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...-roadster-low-kms/1387855372?siteLocale=en_CA
MGB https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/mississauga-peel-region/1965-mgb/1384740477?siteLocale=en_CA

Any tips or advice?

B88
My friend had a Alfa Romeo Spider, it was beautiful. He had to get rid of it because he moved country.
 

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I am a big fan of the datsun Z, with some minor body modifications; it looks remarkably modern.
 

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Whatever you think is a reasonable budget for repairing / restoring the car, double it and add 10% ... especially if you have to get someone do much of the labour. Search around for enthusiast forums that will have topics discussing where the common problem areas are for the ones that you’re considering. Then once you do pull the trigger, find a marque specialist who knows how to properly perform repairs on the model that you’ve bought.
 

james t kirk

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I love the Alfas and really love the Spider. They are sexy as hell and the newer variants are quite comfortable and easy to drive. I would also consider the Fiat 124 Spider. Even the older variants still possess a contemporary look to them and they are a lot of fun to drive. The Fiat is smaller and more nimble, but the Alfa has a lot more power and styling wise, I prefer the Alfa.

The MGB, as long as it's the "chrome bumper" variant, I down with them, but they are a bit on the slow side. If you want British, vintage and sexy I'd opt for the Triumph TR6 over the MGB, or better yet, the Triumph TR250 as they are more sought after (and more expensive). The TRs were much quicker than the MGB as they featured a 6 cylinder duel carb engine (as opposed to the B's L-4 engine) and they are a little bit bigger, though the MG is a unibody construction and handles better. Sticking to the British vein, there is of course the Austin Healey 3000, which I consider one of the sexiest looking British sports cars ever built (the pinnacle being the Jaguar E type (in my opinion), Series 1, or Series 1.5 roadster. (But we're talking some serious dough now). )

Of course, then you can get into the C2 Corvette. Again, in my opinion, the pinnacle of North American automotive design brilliance. But you're getting into some serious cash now. IMHO, the 65 through 67 Corvette with the small block 327 engine is a thing of beauty. The 327 for my money is one of the best engines GM ever built. Even the name three twenty-seven just sounds right. The C2 vette came with several different engine options. Laughable when you look at what the different variants cost back in the day. (Engine options might run you $159.25 that today would add 20 grand to the price of the car.) The C2 Vette styling wise is art to behold and GM has never equaled it in anything it has produced.

I would buy any of the above cars without reservation.

And the great thing about them is that as long as you maintain the car, the car will NOT depreciated. All of the above are dead assed simple to work on and if you have any initiative at all you can fix pretty much any problem you might encounter. All you need is some basic tools and a factory shop manual and away you go.

If you want unusual and vintage, I might be tempted to consider a Datsun Fairlady (yes, I've seen them, but never driven one). Very much a British clone as you can tell, but basically the ONLY Japanese car that has ever attained the "classic" label as far as I'm aware. Most Japanese cars are just a means to get around in.
 

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Mazda Miata

If you don't know much about how to fix cars, or what is a reasonable price to fix cars, I'd stay away from all the cars you listed. They'll drain your bank account dry.

Used older Mazda Miata instead of the Alpha or MGB.

Not too many choices luxury cruisers like a SL500. Maybe a Nissan 370Z if it's available in a convertible.

The legend or mystique of vintage cars are bigger than the cars themselves.
 

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Mercedes SL series is a good choice. Quite a few available at reasonable prices. Expensive parts. Autotrader.ca has a good selection

My Dad has an E-type Jag. Beautiful car, expensive and most owners are buried in them so they can be hard to find.

My first sports car was a Datsun 240Z. Loved that car, but a total rust bucket. I wanted to put a small block chevy into it, but instead sold it and bought my first C2 vette.

C2 or early C3 Vette. Unlike JTK, I'd say buy a big block with a stinger hood! The sound of a 427 equipped with off road exhaust in like nothing else in the automotive world. The C2 can't handle or brake, so you might as well go fast, look and sound great. Small block owners will use words like "better balanced", but these same people will say "it's not the size of your cock ......". (Just having fun)

You may also consider a late 60s or early 70s convertible Mustang or Camaro. Some can be found at reasonable prices, although they tend to be 6 cylinders or low option cars.

I always liked early BMW Z1 or Z3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Z

Although we are end of season, there are lots of cruise nights and car clubs in the GTA area. The car owners love to talk about their cars and will provide lots of advice on what to buy, where to get parts and good mechanics. Usually a few cars for sale, although club members tend to want top dollar.
http://classiccarcruisenights.com/
http://www.mgtoronto.com/
http://www.bsccweb.com/
https://torontotriumph.com/
http://mississaugaclassiccarclub.com/
https://lantinsurance.ca/car-clubs
 

essguy_

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What's your budget? Also - think about things like garage space - not just for parking and storage but for working on it. So if you don't have this at home, then you'll need to arrange for this.

If this is your first hobby car - then I would recommend something that sold pretty well so has a wide availability of parts as well as user groups. You've already received some great suggestions - I'd add another: A Triumph TR - eg: if you can find a later model TR6. Gorgeous car with the definitive sports car sound (along with the Fiat Spyder mentioned above with an Abarth exhaust!). Of course rust will be a problem in any old car, especially in Canada. Good luck, you'll have fun just searching for "the car"...
 

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I love the Alfas and really love the Spider. They are sexy as hell and the newer variants are quite comfortable and easy to drive. I would also consider the Fiat 124 Spider. Even the older variants still possess a contemporary look to them and they are a lot of fun to drive. The Fiat is smaller and more nimble, but the Alfa has a lot more power and styling wise, I prefer the Alfa.

The MGB, as long as it's the "chrome bumper" variant, I down with them, but they are a bit on the slow side. If you want British, vintage and sexy I'd opt for the Triumph TR6 over the MGB, or better yet, the Triumph TR250 as they are more sought after (and more expensive). The TRs were much quicker than the MGB as they featured a 6 cylinder duel carb engine (as opposed to the B's L-4 engine) and they are a little bit bigger, though the MG is a unibody construction and handles better. Sticking to the British vein, there is of course the Austin Healey 3000, which I consider one of the sexiest looking British sports cars ever built (the pinnacle being the Jaguar E type (in my opinion), Series 1, or Series 1.5 roadster. (But we're talking some serious dough now). )

Of course, then you can get into the C2 Corvette. Again, in my opinion, the pinnacle of North American automotive design brilliance. But you're getting into some serious cash now. IMHO, the 65 through 67 Corvette with the small block 327 engine is a thing of beauty. The 327 for my money is one of the best engines GM ever built. Even the name three twenty-seven just sounds right. The C2 vette came with several different engine options. Laughable when you look at what the different variants cost back in the day. (Engine options might run you $159.25 that today would add 20 grand to the price of the car.) The C2 Vette styling wise is art to behold and GM has never equaled it in anything it has produced.

I would buy any of the above cars without reservation.

And the great thing about them is that as long as you maintain the car, the car will NOT depreciated. All of the above are dead assed simple to work on and if you have any initiative at all you can fix pretty much any problem you might encounter. All you need is some basic tools and a factory shop manual and away you go.

If you want unusual and vintage, I might be tempted to consider a Datsun Fairlady (yes, I've seen them, but never driven one). Very much a British clone as you can tell, but basically the ONLY Japanese car that has ever attained the "classic" label as far as I'm aware. Most Japanese cars are just a means to get around in.
James: Didn't notice that you had already mentioned the TR's. Sorry! The "Fairlady" name was also what the 240Z and later variants were called in Japan.
 

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Not roadsters but some of the big old American convertibles may be a good hobby car. Not the Camaro and Firebird which are already priced pretty high - but things like a big Eldorado convertible or some other massive land yacht (Chevy Impala, Lincoln Continental). Restored, they may be a good investment too.


The definitive "Terb Cruiser":

 

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Not roadsters but some of the big old American convertibles may be a good hobby car. Not the Camaro and Firebird which are already priced pretty high - but things like a big Eldorado convertible or some other massive land yacht (Chevy Impala, Lincoln Continental). Restored, they may be a good investment too.


The definitive "Terb Cruiser":

He said roadster not "boat".
 

essguy_

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He said roadster not "boat".
Hey - it's a "Yacht" not a "boat"....

Anyway he said that this will be his first experience buying an old car. So it's best to go in there with an open mind. Some of the British cars and Italian cars will be a lot of maintenance just to keep them running and parts may be difficult and expensive to find. We're talking about cars that are 40 - 50 years old. So that's why I asked what his budget was as well as whether he had the appropriate space. Other than the disadvantage of size - The advantage of an old American car is that parts are fairly easy. Also a big old V8 is not as finicky as a 60's vintage sports car.
 

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Another car you might want to consider is the Porsche 914. This is either a love/hate thing. I always thought that it looked like an old telephone cradle - but with the right parts and mods - can be a reliable and great handling, fun car.
 

james t kirk

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Hey - it's a "Yacht" not a "boat"....

Anyway he said that this will be his first experience buying an old car. So it's best to go in there with an open mind. Some of the British cars and Italian cars will be a lot of maintenance just to keep them running and parts may be difficult and expensive to find. We're talking about cars that are 40 - 50 years old. So that's why I asked what his budget was as well as whether he had the appropriate space. Other than the disadvantage of size - The advantage of an old American car is that parts are fairly easy. Also a big old V8 is not as finicky as a 60's vintage sports car.
Actually, parts for the British vintage iron are readily available. You would be surprised, but you can buy just about any part for a British sports car. There are quite a few parts vendors in the States and Britain and to a smaller extent Canada. Hell, you can buy a brand new, recently made body shell for an MGB from British Motor Heritage in the UK in a crate. Made from the original tooling. If you want an MG with a mint factory body, it can be a good way to go. (But you need a donor car for the rest of the parts.)

http://www.bmh-ltd.com/mgbshell.htm

The big go to parts suppliers for the British stuff is Moss or the Roadster Factory

For Porsche, it's Stoddard and Pelican and Suncoast.

For the Corvette, Eckler and Corvette Central comes to mind. There are piles of them actually.

Parts are readily available and a fraction of the cost of even a Honda. (I'm not joking.)

The same is true of Alfas, Fiats, the vintage North American iron. The beauty of the British and European cars was that they sourced a lot of their parts from independent manufacturers.

The Dealership is the LAST place you want to go to for parts for any classic car.
 

GameBoy27

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I've been thinking for a long time about getting a vintage car, preferably a convertible roadster. I don't want a project car but one that's in good drivable condition and something I can learn how to maintain. Something like these:

Alfa Romeo Spyder https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...alfa-romeo-spider/1371684266?siteLocale=en_CA
Mercedes SL-500 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...-roadster-low-kms/1387855372?siteLocale=en_CA
MGB https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/mississauga-peel-region/1965-mgb/1384740477?siteLocale=en_CA

Any tips or advice?

B88
Out of the 3 above, I would say #1 Alfa, #2 MGB #3 not that Mercedes unless you want to pay high $$$ for parts/repairs. If the body one the Alfa is good, as in no rust then I'd say 16.5K is a good price. If you were to take one in rough shape and restore it to the condition of that one, you could easily spend 50K.

This is a good site to see what vintage cars fetch. Prices here are in $US. https://bringatrailer.com/auctions/

I've owned a vintage sedan for many years. I bought it used for $5K in the 80s and did a full restoration a few years later. I've seen similar ones sell for over $40K US on BAT. One even went for $90K but it was quite rare. Mine will continue to go up in value.

The added bonus is that I pay less than $150 a year for classic car insurance. They do require you get an appraisal first though.

Not to mention, many women love to go for a ride in a vintage car. I speak from experience. :D
 

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I've been thinking for a long time about getting a vintage car, preferably a convertible roadster. I don't want a project car but one that's in good drivable condition and something I can learn how to maintain. Something like these:

Alfa Romeo Spyder https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...alfa-romeo-spider/1371684266?siteLocale=en_CA
Mercedes SL-500 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...-roadster-low-kms/1387855372?siteLocale=en_CA
MGB https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/mississauga-peel-region/1965-mgb/1384740477?siteLocale=en_CA

Any tips or advice?

B88
I would advise you against it.

I have had a SL 500 of about that vintage for a long time, and it is in perfect shape, mechanical and body. It has been stored during winters, and maintained by MB.

I thought it would last as long as I would. And I think it is one of the best cars ever built. The engine is good for 1,000,000 kms.

This year, however, I have had a few intermittent electrical problems, and it turns out the entire wiring needs to be replaced. It is not fun to have a car that you cannot drive when it rains.

While I could spend maybe $10-15,000 and have a perfect "as-new" car, I have decided to throw in the towel and send it to an auction.

Part of the reason is, that while this car as new had all the technological bells and whistles imaginable, the technology has advanced the last 25 years to the point where VW has the same technology.
 

james t kirk

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I would advise you against it.

I have had a SL 500 of about that vintage for a long time, and it is in perfect shape, mechanical and body. It has been stored during winters, and maintained by MB.

I thought it would last as long as I would. And I think it is one of the best cars ever built. The engine is good for 1,000,000 kms.

This year, however, I have had a few intermittent electrical problems, and it turns out the entire wiring needs to be replaced. It is not fun to have a car that you cannot drive when it rains.

While I could spend maybe $10-15,000 and have a perfect "as-new" car, I have decided to throw in the towel and send it to an auction.

Part of the reason is, that while this car as new had all the technological bells and whistles imaginable, the technology has advanced the last 25 years to the point where VW has the same technology.
What the hell happened that the entire wiring harness needs to be replaced? Did you drive it in the lake?

Never been a fan of Benz. Always found them to be a little too stodgy for my liking.

That's the beauty of the old cars that I suggested above. The wiring in them is so simple that you can easily replace the entire wiring harness yourself. Wiring diagrams are usually a page or 2 in the entire shop manual for the older cars.
 

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Like someone else said

Get a Miata

Or if you want a v8, get a corvette

Both are cheap, super fun to drive, raceable, easy to work on, cheap to fix, both have HUGE community groups to help you out step by step as you get busy wrenchin”

Have fun.

Alfa’s can be problematic, even for experienced mechanics. Don’t get me started on German cars

Miata or corvette is right choice for an entry level hobbyist like yourself
 
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