Syrian Refugee Murders 13-Year-Old Canadian Girl

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I don't know why you guys are so in denial about Islamic terrorism. Only 2 deaths ??? Are 2 deaths not too much?
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Of course they are too much. Unlike you I don't blame an entire religion for the actions of a few. But 2 death in the history of Islamic terrorism (both from recent converts) says to me that there are far more significant issues in Canada.

Thousands of deaths are caused by Christians in Canada every year yet I don't see anyone on a campaign of hatred against Christianity.
 

mandrill

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I don't know why you guys are so in denial about Islamic terrorism. Only 2 deaths ??? Are 2 deaths not too much?

Islamist extremism in Canada

December 14, 1999 - Ahmed Ressam, known as the Millennium Bomber, was arrested upon entering the United States by a ferry from Victoria, British Columbia. He was smuggling explosives in his car from Canada as part of a plot to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) on New Year's Eve 1999, as part of the foiled 2000 millennium attack plots.

April 2004 - A Canadian Muslim of Lebanese descent firebombs the library of the United Talmud Torahs Montreal Jewish school.

2006 - In the 2006 Ontario terrorism plot, Canadian counter-terrorism forces arrested 18 terrorists (dubbed the "Toronto 18") inspired by al-Qaeda. They were accused of planning to detonate truck bombs, to open fire in a crowded area, and to storm the Canadian Broadcasting Centre, the Canadian Parliament building, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) headquarters, and the parliamentary Peace Tower, to take hostages and to behead the Prime Minister and other leaders.

August 2010 - Misbahuddin Ahmed of Ottawa was arrested (later convicted in July 2014) of knowingly facilitating a terrorist activity and participation in the activities of a terrorist group.[10][11]

2013 - Chiheb Esseghaier and Raed Jaser of Montreal and Toronto, respectively, charged as part of an alleged Al Qaeda plot to derail a New York to Toronto train on the Canadian side of the border. Alleged plot was not imminent.[citation needed] Canadian Muslims helped to foil the alleged plot.[12] The suspects said they were arrested based on their appearance.[13][14]

October 20, 2014 – On October 20, 2014, two Canadian Forces members were hit by Martin Couture-Rouleau, a recent Muslim convert in what is known as the 2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack. Warrant officer Patrice Vincent died of his injuries. Couture-Rouleau was eventually gunned down and killed.[15]

October 22, 2014 - Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a convert to Islam, fatally shot Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a Canadian soldier on ceremonial sentry duty at the Canadian National War Memorial in Ottawa, and then forced his way into Canada's parliament building, where he had a shootout with parliament security personnel. He was shot 31 times and died at the scene. Zehaf-Bibeau made a video prior to the attack in which he expressed his motives as being related "to Canada's foreign policy and in respect of his religious beliefs."[16][17]

August 10, 2016 - Aaron Driver was killed in Strathroy, Ontario, in a confrontation with police after detonating an explosive in the back seat of a taxi. The confrontation followed a tip from the FBI that Driver had made a "martyrdom video" and was planning an attack on an urban area.[18]

September 30, 2017 - 30-year-old Abdulahi Sharif drives into Edmonton police constable Mike Chernyk then stabs him near Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton, Alberta, fleeing and later hitting four pedestrians with a rental truck during a police pursuit in the 2017 Edmonton attack.[19][20] Police are investigating the incident as an act of terrorism and confirmed the presence of an ISIS flag in the van that struck the police officer.[21][22] Sharif was confirmed by RCMP assistant commissioner Marlin Degrand as a Somali national known to the RCMP and Edmonton police as having past displayed signs of extremism.[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Canada#Islamist_extremism

Give it a rest, Zai. There are a million Muslims in Canada. You've come up with 24 names over the last 20 years. Divide 1,000,000 by 24 and give me the %.

3 of the last 4 ISIS attackers were whites who were unstable and converted to Islam and used it as an excuse to attack police or soldiers. You think that has anything to do with genuine Islam in this country?
 

Frankfooter

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The ones targeting Americans could be seen as being based on US intervention while the ones targeting mosques of other sects are clearly religious based.

What matters is people made the concious choice to attack (or promote attacks on) innocent civilians. If they limited their attacks to Americans involved in intervention I'd see your point but the vast majority of the terror attacks have been Sunni attacking Shia and Shia attacking Sunni, just a continuation of more than 1000 years of religious conflict.

Blaming some country around the world is just more of your elitist, racist view about non-whites not being able to make moral decisions.
You're just as bad as zailbetter here, basketcase, you're trying to tell us that Shia/Sunni conflicts are religious rather then tribal or based on other beefs.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Phil, you leave out 90% of the article where the guy admits he was wrong and approaches a Jewish group for training on how to be more aware of inter cultural issues. Doesn't seem to be a hater to me
Yeah right, sounds to me he's making excuses for his anti-semitism. And you're so gullible you buy his story


You on the other hand, would stamp out any religion you didn't "approve of". You just bluntly admitted it. Who's the hater here, Phil?
Exactly right, I think religion(s) are toxic. I'd ban scientology, faith healing and tele-evangelists as well.
And any kid-fucking Catholic church needs to be shut down also, and pervert priests given life in jail
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Right wing terrorism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism

So a bunch of Saudi's attacked the US who then decided to attack Afghanistan and you're surprised there was blowback?
(By the way, nobody 'deserves' terrorism)

And again, the US has killed 1-2 million Muslims in their GWOT
Why do you think that Muslims are the more violent?
You dont read very well, Frankie. I asked you to compare right-wing terrorist attacks to muslim terrorist attacks.
So I did the math for you, going by the link you posted there were a total of 54 deaths at the hands of right-wing terrorism.

Thats it.

Now lets look at muslim attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
Starting with 9/11 its in the tens of thousands, if not more. I'm too lazy to add them all up.

So tell us Frankie, which religion engages in more terrorism and causes more deaths around the world??



And again, the US has killed 1-2 million Muslims in their GWOT.
Why do you think that Muslims are the more violent?
Where do you get this 1-2 million number from?? Got a link??
 

Phil C. McNasty

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These people are in Europe, Zai. And yes, they are haters and assholes. But I challenged Phil to find Canadian examples and so far, all he has done is admit that he hates Muslims and would humiliate and crush them if he had the chance
This is typical oagre. He twists things around and lies through his teeth.

I never said I wanted to crush muslims. Can you post the exact quote where I said that, oagre??
Nor did I say I hated muslims. You're just making things up now.

Pathetic!!
 

mandrill

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Phil, I can't be bothered seriously.

You're like a dumber version of Bud Plug. You both keep jawing about stuff for page after page. At least, he's got 2 or 3 brain cells.
 

Frankfooter

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You dont read very well, Frankie. I asked you to compare right-wing terrorist attacks to muslim terrorist attacks.
So I did the math for you, going by the link you posted there were a total of 54 deaths at the hands of right-wing terrorism.

Thats it.

Now lets look at muslim attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
Starting with 9/11 its in the tens of thousands, if not more. I'm too lazy to add them all up.

So tell us Frankie, which religion engages in more terrorism and causes more deaths around the world??
Depends on where you are looking.
Look at just the US (from Politifact):



What you read in the media isn't accurate representation, for the most part as well, because:
Terror attacks by Muslims receive 357% more press attention, study finds




Where do you get this 1-2 million number from?? Got a link??
Sure.
https://www.ippnw.de/commonFiles/pdfs/Frieden/Body_Count_first_international_edition_2015_final.pdf


So again, if you're looking at which side is more violent, even including 9/11, American interventions have killed, way, way more people then Muslim terrorism.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Depends on where you are looking.
Look at just the US (from Politifact):

LOL....look at where the graph starts. September 12, 2001, which happens to be exactly one day after guess what.......9/11 :biggrin1:
So the almost 3,000 deaths from 9/11 far outnumbers 62 deaths from right-wing extremism.

Try again, Frankie
 

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LOL....look at where the graph starts. September 12, 2001, which happens to be exactly one day after guess what.......9/11 :biggrin1:
So the almost 3,000 deaths from 9/11 far outnumbers 62 deaths from right-wing extremism.

Try again, Frankie
9/11 was an anomaly, not hopefully likely ever to be repeated.
Since 9/11 its been about equal, with similar numbers from righty tighties like you and Muslim terrorists.

You should volunteer to be monitored by CSIS for the good of us all.
 

Zaibetter

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Of course they are too much. Unlike you I don't blame an entire religion for the actions of a few. But 2 death in the history of Islamic terrorism (both from recent converts) says to me that there are far more significant issues in Canada.

Thousands of deaths are caused by Christians in Canada every year yet I don't see anyone on a campaign of hatred against Christianity.
LOL. When it comes to Islamic extremists you don't blame nobody except the West and the victims and then complain if someone posts their outrage over the loss of civilian life. I never blamed an entire religion for the attack of terrorists, you're trolling. Of course there are deaths caused by Christians but they're not in the name of Jesus Christ like these Islamists. Bad comparison.
 

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Give it a rest, Zai. There are a million Muslims in Canada. You've come up with 24 names over the last 20 years. Divide 1,000,000 by 24 and give me the %.

3 of the last 4 ISIS attackers were whites who were unstable and converted to Islam and used it as an excuse to attack police or soldiers. You think that has anything to do with genuine Islam in this country?
You're the one in #193 that says that the terrorism happens in Europe and you challenged Phil to show you cases here in Canada. So I posted them, Boy you are you very confused ...very confused. I guess the elevator doesn't go to the top floor.
 

Zaibetter

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This is typical oagre. He twists things around and lies through his teeth.

I never said I wanted to crush muslims. Can you post the exact quote where I said that, oagre??
Nor did I say I hated muslims. You're just making things up now.

Pathetic!!
I know...I know he's confused and trolls around a lot. I guess he's got nothing better to do.
 

Zaibetter

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So nothing as bad as Alexandre Bissonnette, then?
Another case of frankfooter minimizing the death of white people by the hand of Islamic terrorist. At least we condemn cases like Bissonette when this happens, you on the other hand always find excuses as why these Islamic terrorists are not wrong with the murder of innocent civilians.
 

Zaibetter

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9/11 was an anomaly, not hopefully likely ever to be repeated.
Since 9/11 its been about equal, with similar numbers from righty tighties like you and Muslim terrorists.

You should volunteer to be monitored by CSIS for the good of us all.
Another attempt to minimize Islamic Terrorism across the world. Like 9/11 is the only case of Islamic terrorism.
 

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Again you pretend that a background check can predict who will be a criminal. I guess just another admission on your part that you don't have facts and don't care.
By your logic then any vetting would be of zero value
Too bad for you vetting occurs when anyone is considered for admission into a country & it is expected by the public


Actually Syrian refugees have been arriving since 2103.
That would be a neat trick as 2103 is 85 years in the future
We will give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you meant 2013.
the bulk of the refugees came when Justin rushed the process along in late 2015- 2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-35075181/pm-trudeau-welcomes-syrian-refugees-to-canada .
The weighted average time in Canada will not be much more than than 2 years.
The same argument holds as per 18 months
More significantly, the rates I quote are on a per year basis.
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Murders by syrian refugees vs Murders by other Canadians divided by their time in Canada ????

I do not think so

Again you claim there was no vetting without any evidence to support your bullshit.
Again you do not read or you prefer to ignore what is plain and simple too understand

1. Canada relied on 3rd party ie UN vetting. This was a huge mistake as we have no control over the process or worse the results
2. The UN was overwhelmed
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...k-extra-funding-from-oil-states-10488466.html.

Just exactly how through was the process , when the UN was struggling just to feed the masses ?
Most defiantly the UNs priority was placement rather than security screening

https://torontosun.com/2017/06/14/s...deau/wcm/a298a287-0655-41cd-81ad-ea4e345228b9
https://miic.ca/2017/11/24/internal...aps-in-security-screening-of-syrian-refugees/
INTERNAL GOVERNMENT AUDIT FINDS ‘GAPS’ IN SECURITY SCREENING OF SYRIAN REFUGEES

There was no real vetting and an innocent 13 year old girl is dead

your position the vetting was sufficient is simply not correct

besides your position the vetting was sufficient is inconsistent with your position that any vetting is of zero value if the objective is to keep the bad guys out
"Again you pretend that a background check can predict who will be a criminal."

So which is it?
1. do you think vetting is useless
or
2. Do you think the vetting by the UN was sufficient and met our security objectives?

You can not argue both

A more disturbing revelation is how little you & others appear to care about the loss of this girls life
220 posts later this thread is filled with accusations of racism, off hand dismissals of legitimate public safety concerns, circling the political wagons and attempts to muddy the waters.

Absolutely shameful
 
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