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Syrian Refugee Murders 13-Year-Old Canadian Girl

basketcase

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Almost no support in their community?...
Number of deaths in Canada by Islamic terrorists? I believe 2. Both perps were Quebecois recent converts, one with a lengthy history of crime and drugs.

That means all the Muslim immigrants combined have made zero terrorist murders. SCARY
 

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After reading this thread I realize that its very true that heavy drug use causes paranoia.

It is such a horrible crime that took place. Sadly it wont be the last, and if a racist attitude continuous to be defended and justify. In the future you will run the risk of arresting the wrong person. Do a serach for Trump and the central park five...
 

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Look at that, its starting to ring a bell? You clearly agreed with another poster that the Jews should go back to the concentration camps. You used to be part of the Israel debates a lot and after this fiasco you backed off. Make no mistake its not about politics and Israel its hatred.
Bullshit.......and your last sentence is total fictional conjecture which once again proves that any critic of Israeli policy is immediately labelled an anti-semite ( except the many Israeli liberals who you conveniently ignore).
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Yup. One's 12 years ago and involved 7 people, IIRC. The other one's 5 years ago and involved 2 people. That's one fuck of a jihadi extremist movement in this country, Phil
Unfortunately it only takes a few to kill hundreds (sometimes even thousands).
Taking out both WTC buildings only took 10 hijackers, and they killed 2,700+

The 2 Canadian terror atempts were aimed at TSX, First Canadian Place and a VIA railway train.
Had they been successfull they wouldve killed at least dozens if not hundreds.

But hey, keep making excuses for THE most fucked up religion in the world.
It says a lot about you
 

mandrill

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Unfortunately it only takes a few to kill hundreds (sometimes even thousands).
Taking out both WTC buildings only took 10 hijackers, and they killed 2,700+

The 2 Canadian terror atempts were aimed at TSX, First Canadian Place and a VIA railway train.
Had they been successfull they wouldve killed at least dozens if not hundreds.

But hey, keep making excuses for THE most fucked up religion in the world.
It says a lot about you

I'm not "making excuses for Islam", Phil.

I'm taking strong issue w the guys on this board who claim that all Muslims are evil with no proof.
 

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Bullshit.......and your last sentence is total fictional conjecture which once again proves that any critic of Israeli policy is immediately labelled an anti-semite ( except the many Israeli liberals who you conveniently ignore).
You can try to wiggle as much as you want, but you're the one that agreed with another poster that the Jews should go back to the concentration camps not me. Fuji was there, Basketcase was there there is no mistake.
 

JohnLarue

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After reading this thread I realize that its very true that heavy drug use causes paranoia.

It is such a horrible crime that took place. Sadly it wont be the last, and if a racist attitude continuous to be defended and justify. In the future you will run the risk of arresting the wrong person. Do a serach for Trump and the central park five...
This is not about race
It is a question of security & public safety & how it is managed by our govt & a murdered child
 

JohnLarue

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Ploughing over ground that's been covered a few times in this thread already, but I realize that you've run out of stuff to say and your pride won't let you run and hide.

"Vetting" for random crimes committed by strangers is almost impossible. Most of the assailants have no criminal record and no mental health record. No reason to suppose this guy would as well. That's why nothing turned up when he was vetted. The same result would have likely happened if he'd been a white guy born in East York or a black guy from Rexdale or an Italian guy from Vaughan.

Now I know you have a pathetic obsession with blaming Trudeau, but isn't this simply another case of Larue not being "ready" for discussing shit with the grown-ups??
The Liberal govt had a plan: woman, children & families only. Then they watered their plan down. The suspect came in as someones uncle.
The Liberal govt had a plan 25,000 max then they upped it by 15,000. what are the odds this child killer was in the second 15,000? about 30%
They had a plan to do some vetting, Then they decided to rely on an overwhelmed UN vetting process??
Q1. Are you a member of ISIS?
A1. No (fingers crossed????)
OK then, welcome to Canada

You say no vetting required of a mass exodus from a war zone, with known ISIS sleepers in the crowd????
If there ever was a time when vetting was required that was it
That is most definitely a very risky scenario. Risks were ignored by Justin and he increased the risk by deviating from the original plan & a child has been murdered
 

basketcase

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This is not about race
It is a question of security & public safety & how it is managed by our govt & a murdered child
Sorry but until you invent a technology to predict future crimes, we'll have to accept background checks.

And I gave you the stats, Syrian refugees have been committing murders well below the rate of the rest of Canadians. But we know you and facts aren't on the same planet.
 

JohnLarue

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Sorry but until you invent a technology to predict future crimes, we'll have to accept background checks.
There were no background checks
As I told you several times the UN screening process was overwhelmed & understaffed
And I gave you the stats, Syrian refugees have been committing murders well below the rate of the rest of Canadians.
Really do your stats normalize for the fact it was only 18 months in Canada before he murdered a child?
While the average Canadian Murder likely spends 20-40 years in Canada before he takes a life, generally not a child's.
The clock is still ticking

Do you really think you brush this tragedy aside using stats?
That would be a joke if it were not so despicable

But we know you and facts aren't on the same planet.
There are two facts you need to know
The liberals rushed this through ignoring / downplaying the obvious risks to public safety
A child is dead
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I'm not "making excuses for Islam", Phil.

I'm taking strong issue w the guys on this board who claim that all Muslims are evil with no proof
Nobody is saying all muslims are evil (or at least I'm not saying that).
I am saying however that Islam has a very radical wing thats incompatible with Western values.

The vast majority of wars around the world right now all involve radical muslims. Thats a fact.
And the vast majority of terrorist attacks around the world right now (especially in Europe) also involve radical muslims.
These are the facts. I'm sorry you dont like that, but its the truth.

My only hope is Islam will eventually adapt more towards Western values and slowly become more civilized. That is happening to some extent.
Example: https://www.dw.com/en/womens-rights-in-the-islamic-world/a-40714427

But change is very slow in other places: https://www.dw.com/en/women-still-face-legal-discrimination-in-155-countries/a-42866002
 

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Nobody is saying all muslims are evil (or at least I'm not saying that).
I am saying however that Islam has a very radical wing thats incompatible with Western values.

The vast majority of wars around the world right now all involve radical muslims. Thats a fact.
And the vast majority of terrorist attacks around the world right now (especially in Europe) also involve radical muslims.
These are the facts. I'm sorry you dont like that, but its the truth.

My only hope is Islam will eventually adapt more towards Western values and slowly become more civilized. That is happening to some extent.
Example: https://www.dw.com/en/womens-rights-in-the-islamic-world/a-40714427

But change is very slow in other places: https://www.dw.com/en/women-still-face-legal-discrimination-in-155-countries/a-42866002

I'm not sure if "vast majority" is accurate. And in any event, some areas of conflict - such as sub Saharan Africa - involve longstanding civil wars between Christian militia, Muslim militia and government forces and are based as much on corruption and access to resources as religion.

That aside, we're talking about an incident in Canada. So let's leave Botswana out of the conversation. Tell me about religious civil wars and massacres in Canada. Pick a spot in Toronto - maybe Leaside, Swansea or Newmarket - and tell me about how the Muslims are declaring Sharia law and hunting and killing Christians there. I'll wait.....

Fact is, you and your rightie buddies have shit-all to complain about and are just whining because you need a target to hate on. Muslims don't demand Sharia law here. They don't demand the Caliphate. They don't declare no-go areas. They don't riot in the streets. And they don't throw bombs. We don't even have radical Imams here who preach violence. That's how clean Canada is!

There are a few extremists who disappeared into Syria and somewhat fewer of those returned. They've done shit since coming back.

All this with a Muslim population of 1,000,000 people.

You want something to whine about, go live in Northern Ireland in the 70's. ALL of the shit I mentioned above was happening there at the time. THAT'S what religious conflict looks like.
 

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The vast majority of wars around the world right now all involve radical muslims. Thats a fact.
And the vast majority of terrorist attacks around the world right now (especially in Europe) also involve radical muslims.
These are the facts. I'm sorry you dont like that, but its the truth.
Iraq and Afghanistan are the sources of the most terrorism last year, both places the US has been at war for 17 years now. Don't blame that on Muslims.
You forget the US GWOT has on terrorism, as most Muslim terrorism is blowback from US interventions.
And now you've got right wing extremists/racists as an equal source of terrorism throughout the EU and North America.

Just like labelling Muslims as the violent 'race' or or religion while ignoring the fact that the GWOT has killed between 1-2 million Muslims makes the US way more violent.

Those are the facts, Phil.
 

basketcase

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There were no background checks
As I told you several times the UN screening process was overwhelmed & understaffed...
Care to provide any facts that show that this killer didn't have a background check?


And yes, murder rates for Syrian refugees are much lower than for Canadians. Is your foolproof method for determining criminals based on their religion or their skin colour?
 

basketcase

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I...Don't blame that on Muslims.....
While I agree that all Muslims aren't responsible, those individual Muslims who chose to murder random civilians and those that warp their religion to promote it sure as hell are.

But in your elitist world view, you somehow conclude Muslims aren't capable of rational or moral thought so you blame it all on the US.
 

JohnLarue

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Care to provide any facts that show that this killer didn't have a background check?
The dead body of a 13 year old girl is not good enough for you?
The deathly silence from the liberals on this issue is also kinda telling

And yes, murder rates for Syrian refugees are much lower than for Canadians.
They have only been here for 18 months!
That is not a comparable stat. That is a ridiculously biased comparison


Is your foolproof method for determining criminals based on their religion or their skin colour?
So anyone who is concerned about taking in dangerous people from a chaotic war zone without proper vetting is really just a bigot in your strange world?
Who is to say if this girl might still be alive had some different decisions been made wrt vetting?
But you seemed far more concerned with making the issue center around religion & bigotry, then you are about the murder of a Canadian child & public safety
 

Frankfooter

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The dead body of a 13 year old girl is not good enough for you?
The deathly silence from the liberals on this issue is also kinda telling
Why are you making one single case into an attack on all immigrants?
Statistically immigrants typically commit way fewer crimes then longer term citizens.
 

Frankfooter

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While I agree that all Muslims aren't responsible, those individual Muslims who chose to murder random civilians and those that warp their religion to promote it sure as hell are.
Tell us which ones based their attacks on religion and which ones based their attacks on foreign interventions.
 

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My only hope is Islam will eventually adapt more towards Western values and slowly become more civilized. That is happening to some extent.
Example: https://www.dw.com/en/womens-rights-in-the-islamic-world/a-40714427

Islamic terrorists attack on the west has little to
do with their backwardness. By western standard
the Islamic societies are backward by easily more than
two centuries. And yet the most devastating wars from
the last two centuries were almost all waged between
the more civilized non-Muslim nations. They could still
hate us and wage more destructive wars if they become
more civilized.

The disparity in living standard and political stability
between the developed word and the less developed
parts of the world most of which Islam may play a role
in the spread of terrorism. That should not distract us
from the true causes of it. Root causes of Islamic
terrorism can be traced to foreign policies of the
western world like the 1953 Iranian coup, support
of corrupted regimes such as the Saudi royalties
and Saddam Hussein, kissing Israeli ass, support
of Osama Bin Laden In the Afghanistan war,
sanctions against and later invasion of Iraq.

Hoping Islam societies to become as advanced as
us is no solution to the threat of terrorism. It
is outrageous that pornography and drugs
are illegal and women do not have the
freedom to wear bikini in the world of Muslims.
But who are we to judge their values?
 
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