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Trump rejects "right of return" idiocy for Palestinians

basketcase

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Of course they don't support the one state solution right now, as they are living in the apartheid one state solution.
Holy fucked up logic batman. This makes no sense. Palestinian polling asked Palestinians what they want and they HATE the idea you want forced upon them.


Holy dishonest post!
According to your link:...
1. Return to Israel and become (or not become) an Israeli citizen - 10%

The rest are Palestinians wanting to be in a Palestinian state, NOT ISRAEL. Give it up. You lost and you just don't want to admit you don't give a shit about Palestinians or what they want except as a tool to attack Israel.
 

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No, he said they'd recognize the state of Israel....
Not your boys in Hamas. The refuse to recognize Israel, refuse to accept Israel's existence, refuse peace with Israel, and refuse the idea of Jews continuing in the region with any rights.
 

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1. Return to Israel and become (or not become) an Israeli citizen - 10%

The rest are Palestinians wanting to be in a Palestinian state, NOT ISRAEL. Give it up. You lost and you just don't want to admit you don't give a shit about Palestinians or what they want except as a tool to attack Israel.
Good point, there is no reason for this not to happen then.
Those Palestinians who want to return to Palestine should be allowed back immediately, because as you noted, its NOT ISRAEL.

And since its not Israel there is no reason not to allow them back, right?
Glad you agree.
 

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And since its not Israel there is no reason not to allow them back, right?
Glad you agree.
Onc ethe Palestinians agree to a peace deal, absolutely any of them who want to move to a Palestinian state should be allowed to.

But a) you reject a Palestinian state existing alongside Israel and b) the Hamas guys you idolize outright reject peace (whether one state, two state or any other) and you don't criticize them for it
 

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Why do you think they need to agree to anything with Israel if they are not in Israel?
So you're claiming Israel needs to give up military control over the West Bank without the Palestinians accepting peace? Idiocy.

And why is it you don't want to discuss how the group you support rejects peace in its entirety?
 

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So you're claiming that Israel has a right to control Palestinian's lives outside of Israel?
Israel has a right to administer the West Bank until there is a peace treaty with the Palestinians. That is directly from the peace deal Israel signed with Jordan, the last country to rule the West Bank.

As it's been since at least the 1930's the issue is the Palestinian rejection of peace and refusal to accept Jews in the region that is still official policy of your Hamas heroes.
 

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Israel has a right to administer the West Bank
They have no 'right' to do anything to a country that is not theirs, as you clearly pointed out.
What they are doing, they are doing by gunpoint, not by 'rights'.

The occupation is illegal.
 

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They have no 'right' to do anything to a country that is not theirs,....
You should look at the peace treaty with Jordan who was the last country in charge of the West Bank. They even gave all Palestinians Jordanian citizenship.

And why do you refuse to discuss the Palestinian (especially Hamas) refusal to accept the concept of peace?
 

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We are not talking about Jordan, they are not occupying Palestine.
Why do you think Israel has a right to administer someone else's country?
Wow. Your ignorance is astounding. Try reading the peace deal. And if you opened a history book you would realize that before 1967 the West Bank was Jordanian (but if you admitted that was true you would have to accept that Jordan are the ones who stole the Palestinian state in 1949).


p.s. It is not someone else's country until the Palestinians agree to it in a peace deal and your Hamas outright rejects the concept (but why would you criticize them for it).
 

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You already said ...
All you have are excuses. Try reading a book sometime. And no, it's not Israel but it is Israeli occupied.

Israel is the legal occupier of the West Bank according to their peace treaty with Jordan and the Palestinians have no state because (other than Jordan stealing it in 1949) they refuse to accept peace.

I have yet to see you call out Hamas for rejecting peace (either one state or two) or for their open calls for ethnic cleansing.
 

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All you have are excuses. Try reading a book sometime. And no, it's not Israel but it is Israeli occupied.

Israel is the legal occupier of the West Bank according to their peace treaty with Jordan and the Palestinians have no state because (other than Jordan stealing it in 1949) they refuse to accept peace.

I have yet to see you call out Hamas for rejecting peace (either one state or two) or for their open calls for ethnic cleansing.
Hamas isn't the one running the illegal occupation.
Hamas hasn't created the Gaza Ghetto, which is now, thanks to cuts from Trump's government and the illegal Israeli blockade, totally unliveable.

The United Nations has warned that the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip is now “catastrophic” due to a decade-long “economic siege” imposed by Israel, on the densely-populated Palestinian coastal enclave.

“The situation in Gaza is becoming less and less livable,” Isabelle Durant, the deputy head of the United Nations development agency (UNCTAD) said on Wednesday, according to Press T/Al Ray.
http://imemc.org/article/un-warns-of-catastrophic-situation-in-gaza/

Why are you excusing Israel for creating the Gaza Ghetto?
 

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Why are you excusing Israel for creating the Gaza Ghetto?
Gaza was Egyptian for 20 years and they made zero effort to do anything and now it is run by a group of terrorists who chose to use the Israeli withdrawal as an excuse for violence. There weren't border restrictions at the time but Hamas insisted on using aid and supplies for war instead of bettering the lives of the people you claim to care about.
 
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