Canada should help Holocaust denier on trial in Germany
- Thread starter Smallcock
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Ernst Zundel was a very stupid man. He promoted hatred in Canada, ignoring the fact that he's German born. Instead of wasting tax payer money to prosecuting him, he was deported to Germany. His chances of proving his rights were less than zero there and he ended up riding the coco express.
You reap what you sow.
You reap what you sow.
The first part of your post makes sense and I agree with you.
Why do you need to follow up a sound rebuttal by taking a jab at anyone who my lean towards the right and take it to the extreme? IMHO, it kind of takes away from an otherwise good response.
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jazzbox
Most of the time the issue is not solely "free speech"... it is free speech directed toward organizing political action by and with other new-nazi grifters. At that point - especially in Germany - is far more than an academic issue since their political program has historically involved killing Jews, Roma, homosexuals, leftists, and Slavs. One might say the latter is the ultimate denial of free speech if there ever was one. Of course, the far right doesn't think twice about going after everyday, miliquetoast defenders of free speech either. I am fine with putting the self-declared Nazis through a judicial process (Germany has one) and throwing them in jail if they meet the standard of hate speech.
Is Monika Schaefer Canadian? Even if she is, the government doesn't have jurisdiction to challenge Germany's "incitement to hatred" law. The civil liberties activists are picking the wrong fight.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2018/01/13/germany-is-silencing-hate-speech-but-cannot-define-it
https://www.economist.com/europe/2018/01/13/germany-is-silencing-hate-speech-but-cannot-define-it
Ezra is Jewish. Does he believe it should be illegal to deny the Holocaust? Would be interesting to know. Faith was once employed by Ezra... do you think they're in agreement on this issue?
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jazzbox
BPP, you really should stop having Cheetos and chocolate milk for breakfast.
I would rather defend someone worth defending: Forgive Louis CK.
There are more places in this world that jail people for such stuff, and under worse conditions with less opportunity to defend yourself than not.
Ask a more realistic question, or start your moral protest with some of the many worse offenders.
I guess we all need to have a hobby of sorts. You do realize that people who lean left share some of those same behaviors don't you?
The question is being posed because the subject is a Canadian in another western democracy. Obviously the things that apply between western democracies cannot be expected to occur in most of the nations on earth.
On a related note I have indeed expressed moral outrage at many goings-on in other countries.
Except this and your example are beyond free speech. Anyone who goes to the length of creating a pulpit to promote these views are clearly interested in the promotion of racial hatred, not any kind of academic endeavour.
Freedom at stake? Damn right. Germany's laws are pretty damn clear and she broke them. Considering Canadian case law agrees with Germany on this Canada's only involvement would be to help Germany's prosecutor.
People who do so are generally not part of a campaign to promote racial hatred.
p.s. Japan should face their past crimes head on instead of pretending they didn't happen.
Help. How can you deal with such stupidity. Hard to believe anybody can be that stupid. Time to block.
