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The end of the age of entitlement

hamermill

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This is a city of Toronto entitlement problem. Government didn't give me anything when I had my children. Had to make sacrifices - that's part of having children. I am glad this nonsense will stop. But then again, hamermill and me are from the same vintage so we grew up differently. Younger city folks feel entitled to everything and expect us older folks to pay to keep their kids in daycare while they run around having $5 coffees at Starbucks and texting/Facebooking/tweeting about how hard life is.
 

jazzbox

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Are you one of the four Yorkshiremen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdlkunflRs




This is a city of Toronto entitlement problem. Government didn't give me anything when I had my children. Had to make sacrifices - that's part of having children. I am glad this nonsense will stop. But then again, hamermill and me are from the same vintage so we grew up differently. Younger city folks feel entitled to everything and expect us older folks to pay to keep their kids in daycare while they run around having $5 coffees at Starbucks and texting/Facebooking/tweeting about how hard life is.
 

oldjones

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This is a city of Toronto entitlement problem. Government didn't give me anything when I had my children. Had to make sacrifices - that's part of having children. I am glad this nonsense will stop. But then again, hamermill and me are from the same vintage so we grew up differently. Younger city folks feel entitled to everything and expect us older folks to pay to keep their kids in daycare while they run around having $5 coffees at Starbucks and texting/Facebooking/tweeting about how hard life is.
They didn't 'give' you schooling for your kids at public expense? They didn't give you better healthcare than Americans have, withe no co-pay or insurance arguments? They didn't give you roads to get to work on? They didn't give you police and fire services to make living together secure? Don't try to peddle your version of entitlement as virtuous self-reliance.

Nobody gives us any of that; we all pay taxes to buy those good things, and we're all entitled.
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...advocates-ask-what-now-in-wake-of-pc-win.html
I can’t wait for this kind of shit to stop. For the last 15 years it has been the I want the government to pay while I get other things. Have a look at kitchen with granite countertops- I’m guessing that house they are in cost more than $500 K.
For the OP: Whoever your whine was meant to refer to, if we look at the article, all we see is a picture of a Mom and kid at City Hall. There's no more reason to believe they live in a pricey house than in a cheap, shared apartment or with the grandparents, and her expressed concern about daycare is no different than any other parent's worries about schooling. You cited the average price of a house in Canada. Toronto is not 'average Canada', but some houses, and many condos still sell for less than that here.

Were you trying to say we should go back to private, fee-paid education? Or was it that you resent not being 'entitled' to a house you'd want for less than $500K? Either way, your entitlement-based resentment is showing.
 

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This is a city of Toronto entitlement problem. Government didn't give me anything when I had my children. Had to make sacrifices - that's part of having children. I am glad this nonsense will stop. But then again, hamermill and me are from the same vintage so we grew up differently. Younger city folks feel entitled to everything and expect us older folks to pay to keep their kids in daycare while they run around having $5 coffees at Starbucks and texting/Facebooking/tweeting about how hard life is.
And older folk haven't paid enough into their pension plans and expect younger folk to support them in their retirement years.

But I agree about the entitlement problem. We shouldn't be introducing or expanding entitlement programs before we can fund them. All that does is depress our future ability to do the same.
 

oldjones

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And older folk haven't paid enough into their pension plans and expect younger folk to support them in their retirement years.

But I agree about the entitlement problem. We shouldn't be introducing or expanding entitlement programs before we can fund them. All that does is depress our future ability to do the same.
Of course private/individual pension plans — the few that are left — vary all over the map, but the CPP which is structured to replace a third of the earned income of retired individuals earns 6.8% and is doing OK on what it takes in. "In his September 2016 report to Parliament, the Chief Actuary of Canada confirmed that the CPP remains sustainable at its current benefit and contribution levels for at least the next 75 years." [CPP Annual Report]

Too bad we now have a provincial government devoted to cutting the little we fund rather than paying for what we need. We'll get even more stops on that subway no one will ride, but you won't be entitled to more than a stretcher in the hospital hall.
 

bazokajoe

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My feelings have always been that daycare/babysitting is the biggest waste of government money.
If people want to have kids then pay the cost yourself.
I hate when I go to the malls or grocery store and get hounded for donations for some kids sports team/mission trip etc. Parents say they will do anything for their kids but when the time comes for money they get deep pockets and awfully short arms.

End of my bitch session.
 

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For every whining entitled brat like Carolyn Fern there are five times the people on the opposite side of the equation that are glad they are not paying the freight for those people.

Millions of people before her have been responsible for their own decisions and it is time for people like Ms. Fern to grow up and become an adult responsible for her own actions.
 

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Entitled parents who think the government (who gets their funds from taxpayers) should subsidize the costs of raising their own kids and providing services to babysit their kids.

Here's an idea.

You have the kid? Take care of your own kid yourself.
 

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This is a city of Toronto entitlement problem. Government didn't give me anything when I had my children. Had to make sacrifices - that's part of having children. I am glad this nonsense will stop. But then again, hamermill and me are from the same vintage so we grew up differently. Younger city folks feel entitled to everything and expect us older folks to pay to keep their kids in daycare while they run around having $5 coffees at Starbucks and texting/Facebooking/tweeting about how hard life is.
And the way younger folks blow their money on Starbucks and buying BMWs at the age of 29, they'll never have enough money to buy a home unless it's out in the burbs, a small town or they force themselves to buy a shitty unit in a grubby part of town. Or they live at home until age 32 in their family's basement saving money.

Funny thing is, people now make great money. A 30 year old working in an office at a decent job can pull in $80,000 no problem. Not chump change. Yes, a nice condo or home costs a lot in the GTA, but with up to $100,000 in gross earnings at that age (don't forget annual bonus), you can get a nice mortgage. Save some money for downpayment and a mortgage can score you a nice unit.

Yes folks, if someone is broke, you can buy condo/apartment units for $200,000. But you're not going to get a nice downtown unit. Can't be picky if your budget i short.

What these young nitwits don't understand (this all goes back to budgeting like in all those other threads over the past few months), is that a mortgage gets dinged more and more, the more debt you have. And that $800/mth BMW monthly payment probably knocks off $100,000 in mortgage limits. The stress test and increasing mortgage rates don't help either and probably knocks down someone's mortgage qualification another $100,000. If the math shows someone's monthly net proceeds is running low, the mortgage amount a bank will qualify something with will go down the toilet.

Got to save cash, put down payments, and show as little monthly expenses as possible to max out a mortgage to buy a decent place.

Score the mortgage and get the home first.... and then get a nice car later. Guess what car I was driving when I bought my first place?...... a Honda Civic.
 

jazzbox

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This rant is a little tough to sustain when you look at how far indebted older, adult Canadians are... I am not just talking about millennials - I am talking about all those "hard working and virtuous" yuppies that are nearing retirement and have a mortgage that is too big, they have bought too many expensive cars, have a cottage they can't really afford, lots of revolving credit, closets full of clothes they don't wear, yearly trips they can't afford. Give me a break about millennials. If there is a financial crisis in Canada the lion's share of the damage will be done by the over-spending and idiotic financial decisions of Canadians 40 and up. They grew up while the welfare state was healthy and enjoyed those "entitlements" and faced far healthier job markets than younger folk do today. Now they turn around and demand tax cuts while kicking millennial to the curb. Pathetic.
And the way younger folks blow their money on Starbucks and buying BMWs at the age of 29, they'll never have enough money to buy a home unless it's out in the burbs, a small town or they force themselves to buy a shitty unit in a grubby part of town. Or they live at home until age 32 in their family's basement saving money.




Funny thing is, people now make great money. A 30 year old working in an office at a decent job can pull in $80,000 no problem. Not chump change. Yes, a nice condo or home costs a lot in the GTA, but with up to $100,000 in gross earnings at that age (don't forget annual bonus), you can get a nice mortgage. Save some money for downpayment and a mortgage can score you a nice unit.

Yes folks, if someone is broke, you can buy condo/apartment units for $200,000. But you're not going to get a nice downtown unit. Can't be picky if your budget i short.

What these young nitwits don't understand (this all goes back to budgeting like in all those other threads over the past few months), is that a mortgage gets dinged more and more, the more debt you have. And that $800/mth BMW monthly payment probably knocks off $100,000 in mortgage limits. The stress test and increasing mortgage rates don't help either and probably knocks down someone's mortgage qualification another $100,000. If the math shows someone's monthly net proceeds is running low, the mortgage amount a bank will qualify something with will go down the toilet.

Got to save cash, put down payments, and show as little monthly expenses as possible to max out a mortgage to buy a decent place.

Score the mortgage and get the home first.... and then get a nice car later. Guess what car I was driving when I bought my first place?...... a Honda Civic.
 

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https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...advocates-ask-what-now-in-wake-of-pc-win.html


I can’t wait for this kind of shit to stop. For the last 15 years it has been the I want the government to pay while I get other things. Have a look at kitchen with granite countertops- I’m guessing that house they are in cost more than $500 K.
Sure, cancel funding for daycares and then watch as people have fewer kids because they can't afford it.
Then, in 10 years complain about rising levels of immigrants needed to fill the jobs those kids would have taken.
 

jazzbox

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Yep... and as they watch their pensions decline they will carry on complaining there are not enough workers to fund OAS... an probably blame the young once again. This right wing virtue signalling is tiresome.

Sure, cancel funding for daycares and then watch as people have fewer kids because they can't afford it.
Then, in 10 years complain about rising levels of immigrants needed to fill the jobs those kids would have taken.
 

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I was reading an article where they contrasted the challenges facing the current generation of 20-30 year olds vs their parents and past generations. Bascially if you want to rent something, it's $1300-$2000 per month depending on the area you are in and that's assuming you want some level of security and your not in a room that's part of a basement.

Like north of toronto, think Newmarket, southern Keswick/Georgina for a relatively better place, it is still $1000 to $1300 range a month. I know there is an entitlement issue, I see it in instagram all the time. I was talking to another girl and she was showing me her new luxury SUV. If it has 4 wheels and snow tires, thats all I need to get around.
 

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Sure, cancel funding for daycares and then watch as people have fewer kids because they can't afford it.
Then, in 10 years complain about rising levels of immigrants needed to fill the jobs those kids would have taken.
Automation will fill the void.
 

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This rant is a little tough to sustain when you look at how far indebted older, adult Canadians are... I am not just talking about millennials - I am talking about all those "hard working and virtuous" yuppies that are nearing retirement and have a mortgage that is too big, they have bought too many expensive cars, have a cottage they can't really afford, lots of revolving credit, closets full of clothes they don't wear, yearly trips they can't afford. Give me a break about millennials. If there is a financial crisis in Canada the lion's share of the damage will be done by the over-spending and idiotic financial decisions of Canadians 40 and up. They grew up while the welfare state was healthy and enjoyed those "entitlements" and faced far healthier job markets than younger folk do today. Now they turn around and demand tax cuts while kicking millennial to the curb. Pathetic.
The old indebted person is loaded. They may or may not be cash flow rich, but no doubt asset rich.

Home prices have skyrocketed so much in the past 10 years, anyone who bought a home in 2016 or before is up. Only people buying in 2017 or this year have been burned with stagnant home prices.

Cottages have skyrocketed too. It's a lot different now. Decades ago, nobody cared about cottages. You could probably score a decent one for $100,000. Now, many people treat them like a second home and good ones can go for $500,000+. Money to be made.

Anyone on this board who bought a home 20 years ago, or had parents who bought a home in the 1970s or 80s for $100,000-150,000 is sitting on a property worth probably a minimum of $800,000. If it is a nice area, easily $1M+.

These kinds of gains are in the big cities, but even in smaller cities, real estate appreciation is everywhere. It's almost impossible to go broke when you buy real estate. Only if someone is on the fringe of payments and losing their job and home. I don't see too many home owners the past 10 years going broke. All I see is big dollars and big winners.

But all the young people wasting money on depreciating assets like Audis A4s and BMW 3-series cars when they are in their 20s is putting their dimwitted money into money losing assets. If you want to manage money well, stop wasting money renting, put the funds towards a property, keep expenses low so the mortgage approved maxes out as high as possible, get the home...... THEN, get the nice car years later.

Young people are doing the reverse. Paying landlords like me (when I was a landlord as I sold out) over $2,000/mth paying off my mortgage. They make good money too. Save your money, save money on eating out and entry level Mercedes cars and get that condo that is affordable.

Does a single person really need to rent out a 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom unit from me for $2,400/mth??? When a more reasonable approach might be to find a 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom unit for $1,700. Bank the $700/mth and put that towards a mortgage. Does a young single person really need to buy a nice SUV costing $500/mth vs. Honda Civic at half the price? There's another $250/mth..... right there, an easy $1,000/mth savings by cutting back.

Savings for the bank account. Cash flow buffer to calculate a higher mortgage. Not that hard to figure out. Since the internet came around all someone has to do is use an online mortgage calculator tool. You didn't get that in the old days.

When someone builds up money and owns a home that goes up in value..... then buy the nice stuff later when the salary goes up.

Welfare state decades ago? What country are you living in? There are so many more government handouts, tax deductions now than ever before.

Jobs are easy to come by. Unemployment rates are as low as 50 years ago. If you want to see a time period when jobs were tough to get....... the 80s when the unemployment rate swung from 8-12%..... which is around the same time period that "nearing retirement yuppies" you mentioned were in their 20s trying to score and hold onto jobs.

On the other hand, the unemployment rate now is among the best in half a century at 6%.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-005-m/75-005-m2016001-eng.htm

At the same time, mortgage rates were about 12%.

Now you understand why 60 year olds or people like my parents who are even older focused on a home first, a shitty station wagon for 10+ years, and then bought a cottage and fancy cars later in life (mid-life toys). And it paid off as home prices rose a lot.

Young people are doing the opposite and will never play catch up.

Young people complaining about 3% mortgages have nothing to complain about.
 
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