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[symba]

The job may br easy for you but ask the teen who is trafficked how easy it is.

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Slavery s not a job it is slavery. A teen who is sex trafficked is not doing a job they are a slave being sold for sex.

 

[Jasmina]

Only it can't be strawmanning (as you say) when you agree that you said the very thing I was arguing against. Oh, sorry, only I had mistakenly thought you said $300 not $250. Because that matters. Also, at no point did anyone in this thread say we were specifically speaking about terb advertisers, but great attempt at deflection there.

I am glad we agree that niche providers are valuable. I see you learned something from this thread and that is awesome. So you can agree that your earlier statement that they should "assess" their lives was improper. The beautiful thing about sex work is there is a huge market, and there is room for providers who take less clients, and at lower cost, and room for those who choose to see themselves as being elite. I mean, the reality is one pussy isn't better than the other, but eh, they don't need to know that, right? :wave:

Now, a bit of sidetracking from our conversation, more so based on other comments in this thread, saying sex work is hard is not the same as saying you don't enjoy sucking cock. The difficult parts come with factors well beyond the actual sex. No shows, bad clients (this can spectrum from assault, to robbery, to simple things like bad hygiene), getting colds from clients, so on the list can go. To act like none of that affects you because screening is bullshit. I'm calling it. You are flatout lying. It happens to every provider, it is just part of the gig, the gig is so not just showing up and fucking and we all know that. Maybe the others are right in their claims that you are showboating for a specific clientele, or maybe you are just in denial, I dunno, but cmon... the job has its rough spots and denying that doesn't make sense and doesn't serve any purpose.

so much strawmanning in this post alone, it's like you're trying your best to piss yourself off lol. first of all, it's very clear that i said "if you aren't doing well in an industry where the average income is $250/hour, then you need to re-evaluate your life." i didn't say they need to leave the industry. you could have at least gotten the rate correct. but no, you choose to be disingenuous.

of course i'm aware that "survival" sex work exists, even though it should be obvious given the forums that we're on and the fact that i stressed "in an industry where the average is $250/hr", my message wasn't directed to sex workers charging $40/hr. that's a very different industry from the one TERB is a part of.

but while we're on that topic, at least poor women have sex work. at least they CAN make $40/hr. what do most poor men have? certainly nothing as simple as jumping into a car and offering a BJ (unless you're gay obviously, but still, the market is way smaller). how about being grateful for what you have in life?

complaining about not being fit or attractive enough to be a successful sex worker is a perfect example of my point lol. if you're not hot enough to get clients on a steady basis, why do you insist on working in an industry where looks are a huge factor in deciding whether you are successful or not? it's like complaining that you're too ugly to be a model and no one is picking you for shoots, and insisting the modelling world needs to change to accomodate you rather than YOU changing and finding a path in life that works better for you. if you can get a few clients here and there, that's great, sex work can be your side hustle, as it is for many people. doesn't mean there's anything inherently 'unfair' about unattractive escorts getting less clients.

there ARE loads of opportunities in life. part of improving your lot in life is pushing yourself to pursue those opportunities. if sex work can help you reach your goals, then be happy you have that tool in your arsenal, because many others do not.

people act like sex work should be an industry that every female has the "right" to work in. that's insane. if you can make any money AT ALL from sex work, you should be grateful. it's literally a job where all you need is nothing but your own naked body and wit. the capital investment compared to all other jobs is nil.

 

[Occasionally]

I read the article, and to be honest I don't see what the big deal is. Here's my summary of what the article tried to convey:


1. SPs have a home life like anyone else. They actually live in homes and can have friends and pets

No kidding. Whether someone is a burger flipper making minimum wage or a CEO, everyone (unless they are homeless on the street) has a place to fall back on and eat, sleep and chill out. I don't think any person out there has such a skewed thinking that every SP is a homeless, drugged up streetwalker like you see in the movies (crack head stumbling down a back alley).


2. SPs come from a wide range of backgrounds, races, etc.... edit. What races? Every person in that article is White

No kidding. Every job has some diversity, but no doubt the writer cherry picked SPs that seem kind of odd for sake of making a point.

I don't know about you guys, but unless I'm the luckiest guy in the world, every SP I've seen in 10 years resembled Madison in the article a lot more, than any bong smoking, dwarf, tattoo, green haired or crew cut SP shown in the article. If there's extreme diversity, I've never seen it face to face, and aside from maybe 2 alternative indie ladies with tons of tats and shaved head who promote on this site, I think just about every other SP from the 100s of indie and agency workers seem like normal dressed folks. Some better looking than others, some with better attitudes than others, but as a whole just about everyone can be lumped into the same pot.

And even though websites go through endless photoshop, even the SP I've met with the biggest discrepancy between real life and pictures still resembled Madison more than any other SP in the article.

 

[Occasionally]

I *think* the idea was to show people that sexworkers are regular people, like you and me. And frankcastle is right, the majority of the population is pretty clueless when it comes to sexworkers.

Hmmm.... I don't know about that. That's an assumption that the average person is an idiot and thinks an escort is just like the movies..... some drugged up waif owned by a Black pimp.

I think people as a whole are smarter than that. Just because you go to a strip joint, I have a hard believing someone would think a stripper dresses like that all day bouncing off people's laps 24/7. Or an MMA fighter beating each other in a ring is actually the same thing in real life..... acting like a mad dog and punching every person walking down the street.

It's a job at the end of the day.

 

[mitchell76]

i didn't say that the negative aspects of sex work don't affect me. another example of straw-manning. i said it's not objectively hard. dealing with annoying prospective clients in my inbox and bad clients in person is of course annoying. but it's objectively way easier than um, for example, spend 4-7 years getting degrees and learning skills to work in a specific industry, maintaining a professional reputation that is based on your real name and not some persona that you can ditch anytime the heat gets too hot, having to answer to a boss and deal with his or her petty inconsistencies and demands from 9 to 5, or probably even more for most jobs these days, every day, dealing with the annoying clients and co-workers of THAT industry, who you are forced to maintain professional relationships with even if you dislike them.

as a sex worker, literally all you have to be is sexually attractive to men.

as someone who works in both the sex worker industry and without, i can tell you by far, being a sex worker is easier than any other job i've ever had. and i'm grateful every freaking day someone hands me a huge wad of cash for basically doing nothing else but being myself that it exists.

Another good point. I'm personally learning a lot, from reading these interesting threads.

 

[mitchell76]

"strawmanning" Great word...I am not too proud to admit that I had to google it..."A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

I don't really have anything to add to this thread as I feel it has gotten way out of control..But felt I went to the trouble to google and wanted to share..Learning something new every day.

You're not the only one. I didn't know what strawmanning meant either, until I also googled it---LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

[Smallcock]

i didn't say that the negative aspects of sex work don't affect me. another example of straw-manning. i said it's not objectively hard. dealing with annoying prospective clients in my inbox and bad clients in person is of course annoying. but it's objectively way easier than um, for example, spend 4-7 years getting degrees and learning skills to work in a specific industry, maintaining a professional reputation that is based on your real name and not some persona that you can ditch anytime the heat gets too hot, having to answer to a boss and deal with his or her petty inconsistencies and demands from 9 to 5, or probably even more for most jobs these days, every day, dealing with the annoying clients and co-workers of THAT industry, who you are forced to maintain professional relationships with even if you dislike them.

as a sex worker, literally all you have to be is sexually attractive to men.

as someone who works in both the sex worker industry and without, i can tell you by far, being a sex worker is easier than any other job i've ever had. and i'm grateful every freaking day someone hands me a huge wad of cash for basically doing nothing else but being myself that it exists.

Not to mention job security. I've never heard of an SW getting fired or laid off. SW is one of those recession-proof industries. Wherever there are men, there is a market.

 

[Jasmina]

In that case, we agree, I am a low volume sex worker who does it for the pleasure, and because I hate dating, and the money is a nice plus. It is definitely the best job I have ever had and I am grateful everyday that I took the plunge. I am sorry if I misunderstood your words earlier, definitely not strawmanning, just super passionate

i didn't say that the negative aspects of sex work don't affect me. another example of straw-manning. i said it's not objectively hard. dealing with annoying prospective clients in my inbox and bad clients in person is of course annoying. but it's objectively way easier than um, for example, spend 4-7 years getting degrees and learning skills to work in a specific industry, maintaining a professional reputation that is based on your real name and not some persona that you can ditch anytime the heat gets too hot, having to answer to a boss and deal with his or her petty inconsistencies and demands from 9 to 5, or probably even more for most jobs these days, every day, dealing with the annoying clients and co-workers of THAT industry, who you are forced to maintain professional relationships with even if you dislike them.

as a sex worker, literally all you have to be is sexually attractive to men.

as someone who works in both the sex worker industry and without, i can tell you by far, being a sex worker is easier than any other job i've ever had. and i'm grateful every freaking day someone hands me a huge wad of cash for basically doing nothing else but being myself that it exists.

 

[peepingtom]

"Glad you agree that one of DL's supporters is an idiot, lol."

I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of analogies.

Yeah, samchop dude just spews verbal diarrhea - that's fact!

 

[essguy_]

It’s ironic that with all the talk of “strawman” nobody has pointed out that the criticism that the project was meant to showcase “SJW” providers and other bullshit about how the subjects looked or whether they felt like victims is a textbook example of a strawman. Thats when Dawn went off on another one if her NPD driven “LOOK AT ME!” strawman tangents.

 

[essguy_]

Not to mention job security. I've never heard of an SW getting fired or laid off. SW is one of those recession-proof industries. Wherever there are men, there is a market.

You never hear of SP layoffs because of the strength if their unions, smallcock. Sheesh.

Seriously, agencies and MP’s fire attendants fairly regularly - you’ve never heard of this? Independents are self employed, obviously. Oh, and since recessions affect discretionary income (in aggregate), of course it is not “recession proof”. In fact, I would bet that the number of sex workers increases during recessions because of layoffs from traditional industries. That increase in numbers alone would put negative pressure on prices.

 

[Smallcock]

You never hear of SP layoffs because of the strength if their unions, smallcock. Sheesh.

Seriously, agencies and MP’s fire attendants fairly regularly - you’ve never heard of this? Independents are self employed, obviously. Oh, and since recessions affect discretionary income (in aggregate), of course it is not “recession proof”. In fact, I would bet that the number of sex workers increases during recessions because of layoffs from traditional industries. That increase in numbers alone would put negative pressure on prices.

You seem to be unfamiliar with the term recession proof. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession-proof_job

The thread was about independent workers so my comments are about them. Nonetheless, non-independents getting let go from agencies or MPs is not catastrophic like it is in non-SW lines of work. Firstly, there are jobs aplenty in sex work, always. Secondly, it's not like any new "employer" is going to be able to cross reference their job history.

Lastly, I forgot about the tax free advantage since these are typically all cash transactions. Contractors do it every day and these are often guys with official companies and crews.

Any way you cut it, you're on the losing side of these arguments.

 

[essguy_]

You seem to be unfamiliar with the term recession proof. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession-proof_job

The thread was about independent workers so my comments are about them. Nonetheless, non-independents getting let go from agencies or MPs is not catastrophic like it is in non-SW lines of work. Firstly, there are jobs aplenty in sex work, always. Secondly, it's not like any new "employer" is going to be able to cross reference their job history.

Lastly, I forgot about the tax free advantage since these are typically all cash transactions. Contractors do it every day and these are often guys with official companies and crews.

Any way you cut it, you're on the losing side of these arguments.

smallcock - you said recession proof industries in your post. Certainly it's a recession proof job - as it costs nothing to hang out a shingle. That doesn't mean that a worker in this "recession proof " job would be able to earn enough to make a living because this INDUSTRY lives on discretionary income which is NOT recession proof. And if you meant to be talking about independent workers then why did you make the stupid "I've never heard of an SW getting fired or laid off" comment. It's like you are expecting to read or hear in the news about thousands of independent SP's firing themselves or laying themselves off? Advice for you smallcock - don't think with your really really small head...

 

[frankcastle]

You seem to be unfamiliar with the term recession proof. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession-proof_job

The thread was about independent workers so my comments are about them. Nonetheless, non-independents getting let go from agencies or MPs is not catastrophic like it is in non-SW lines of work. Firstly, there are jobs aplenty in sex work, always. Secondly, it's not like any new "employer" is going to be able to cross reference their job history.

Lastly, I forgot about the tax free advantage since these are typically all cash transactions. Contractors do it every day and these are often guys with official companies and crews.

Any way you cut it, you're on the losing side of these arguments.

Then why are there so many "Looking for MPA/SP X" threads?

Sure some leave on their own accord because they reached their goals but others are forced out. For example, some become unreliable, jaded, burnt out, lose their looks etc.

I can think of a few ladies who developed drug problems that resulted in them getting fired. Pretty sure their reputations preceeded them to their next job which seems to often only last a short while.

There's definitely some short term advantages but there are long term problems. Like buying a home, buying a car, applying for non sex jobs, investing money, banking with your cash.

If it's so great then why don't more women stay forever? What are those fantastic jobs that they move on to?

 

[frankcastle]

I think it's pretty clear which SPs in this thread enjoy their job and are grateful for its unique perks [DL] from those that detest it or find getting paid to give BJs a mentally distressing chore.

Tons of places are hiring... but for much longer hours and a lot less pay...

Pointing out problems of one's job doesn't mean you hate it. That's just a cheap shot to try and shut people up.

 

[frankcastle]

so much strawmanning in this post alone, it's like you're trying your best to piss yourself off lol. first of all, it's very clear that i said "if you aren't doing well in an industry where the average income is $250/hour, then you need to re-evaluate your life." i didn't say they need to leave the industry. you could have at least gotten the rate correct. but no, you choose to be disingenuous.

of course i'm aware that "survival" sex work exists, even though it should be obvious given the forums that we're on and the fact that i stressed "in an industry where the average is $250/hr", my message wasn't directed to sex workers charging $40/hr. that's a very different industry from the one TERB is a part of.

but while we're on that topic, at least poor women have sex work. at least they CAN make $40/hr. what do most poor men have? certainly nothing as simple as jumping into a car and offering a BJ (unless you're gay obviously, but still, the market is way smaller). how about being grateful for what you have in life?

complaining about not being fit or attractive enough to be a successful sex worker is a perfect example of my point lol. if you're not hot enough to get clients on a steady basis, why do you insist on working in an industry where looks are a huge factor in deciding whether you are successful or not? it's like complaining that you're too ugly to be a model and no one is picking you for shoots, and insisting the modelling world needs to change to accomodate you rather than YOU changing and finding a path in life that works better for you. if you can get a few clients here and there, that's great, sex work can be your side hustle, as it is for many people. doesn't mean there's anything inherently 'unfair' about unattractive escorts getting less clients.

there ARE loads of opportunities in life. part of improving your lot in life is pushing yourself to pursue those opportunities. if sex work can help you reach your goals, then be happy you have that tool in your arsenal, because many others do not.

people act like sex work should be an industry that every female has the "right" to work in. that's insane. if you can make any money AT ALL from sex work, you should be grateful. it's literally a job where all you need is nothing but your own naked body and wit. the capital investment compared to all other jobs is nil.

Terb very much deals with the cheap end of sex work as well.

Plenty of threads about looking for cheap sex.

Again putting words in people's mouths...... who said the industry should be a right to all women?

All I've been saying is that your view represents only one aspect of an industry that is more varied than just 250/hr independent hookers.

To say DL "tells it like it is" is not correct. She's only speaking from the perspective of the low volume indy SP who charges on the higher end.

Pretty sure the day to day experiences of a person charging $20 for an HJ vs the $80 at a high end spa have a very different day.

 

[Smallcock]

Then why are there so many "Looking for MPA/SP X" threads?

Sure some leave on their own accord because they reached their goals but others are forced out. For example, some become unreliable, jaded, burnt out, lose their looks etc.

I can think of a few ladies who developed drug problems that resulted in them getting fired. Pretty sure their reputations preceeded them to their next job which seems to often only last a short while.

There's definitely some short term advantages but there are long term problems. Like buying a home, buying a car, applying for non sex jobs, investing money, banking with your cash.

If it's so great then why don't more women stay forever? What are those fantastic jobs that they move on to?

They finally earn that degree, buy a nice car in cash, and pay off that school loan which is why they got into the business in the first place. Now they can pursue their mainstream dreams. They work a mainstream job to do the things you mentioned - bank, invest, buy a home, and are able to tell friends and family what they do for a living. They also settle down because they're people just like you and me, and husbands usually don't take kindly to their wives sucking strange men's cocks every day for money.

In an industry with zero barriers to entry, you're going to get people from every single walk of life working in it. So yeah, you're going to get the brainiac who is going to become a medical surgeon but needs a way to pay for her tuition but you're also going to get the unreliable cracked out trailer trash that needs to buy more crack. Looks are subjective and doesn't necessarily seem to be a pre-requisite for success in the biz.

FFS isn't this shit self-evident?