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Canadians Now Paying Lower Income Taxes Than Americans, OECD Data Shows

JohnLarue

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Can't even get the exchange rate correct, eh?

Its the simple things that get past you.
You define simpleton
You ignored the sales tax & other hidden taxes such as the gasoline taxes & carbon taxes incurred delivering the clue to you
You also ignored the regulatory burden of the government ensuring the clue is suitable for you, which is redundant as any clue would be beneficial for a clueless moron
 

Frankfooter

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You define simpleton
You ignored the sales tax & other hidden taxes such as the gasoline taxes & carbon taxes incurred delivering the clue to you
You also ignored the regulatory burden of the government ensuring the clue is suitable for you, which is redundant as any clue would be beneficial for a clueless moron
Hey larue, why don't you try actually reading the study for once.
Here's the methodology.
http://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/taxing-wages-methodology.pdf

Then you could try something new, speaking about something you understand a little.
 

JohnLarue

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Hey larue, why don't you try actually reading the study for once.
Here's the methodology.
http://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/taxing-wages-methodology.pdf

Then you could try something new, speaking about something you understand a little.
Perhaps you should read it yourself
no mention of sales taxes, gasoline taxes, carbon taxes ..other hidden taxes ............... etc in that methodology
The average Canadian is still paying close to half in taxes
 

Frankfooter

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Perhaps you should read it yourself
no mention of sales taxes, gasoline taxes, carbon taxes ..other hidden taxes ............... etc in that methodology
The average Canadian is still paying close to half in taxes
Hey, you can read. Who knew?

Only problem:
Sales taxes in the US are about the same as Canada.
Try again.

You're still on the losing end of this one.
 

nottyboi

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God you are stupid

That looks like Federal taxes only
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...rates-individuals-current-previous-years.html
Federal tax rates for 2018
15% on the first $46,605 of taxable income, +
20.5% on the next $46,603 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over 46,605 up to $93,208), +
26% on the next $51,281 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $93,208 up to $144,489), +
29% on the next $61,353 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over 144,489 up to $205,842), +
33% of taxable income over $205,842.

https://careers.workopolis.com/advi...earning-the-average-canadian-wages-right-now/
As of September 2017, the average wage for Canadian employees was $986 a week – or just over $51,000 a year.

Layer in provincial taxes , sales taxes, gasoline taxes and the myriad of other tax grabs and we are much closer to 50% on average,
Way more than the Americans

Why are you so stupid?
Ever taken a look at property taxes in the US and what it would cost to send the brats to University? Its pretty clear you are pretty clued out
 

basketcase

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Do honestly believe ...
As usual you try and combat posted data with your own opinions. It's okay to have a high opinion of yourself but if you want anyone to share it you should probably try posing some actual data.
 

JohnLarue

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As usual you try and combat posted data with your own opinions. It's okay to have a high opinion of yourself but if you want anyone to share it you should probably try posing some actual data.
You are becoming annoying

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/taxes-the-average-canadian-familys-largest-expense
In reality, the average Canadian household spends more on taxes than any other expense. Specifically, in 2016 the average Canadian family (including single Canadians) earned $83,105 in income and paid $35,283 in total taxes. That’s 42.5 per cent of income going to taxes.
 

JohnLarue

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Ever taken a look at property taxes in the US and what it would cost to send the brats to University? Its pretty clear you are pretty clued out

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/taxes-the-average-canadian-familys-largest-expense
In reality, the average Canadian household spends more on taxes than any other expense. Specifically, in 2016 the average Canadian family (including single Canadians) earned $83,105 in income and paid $35,283 in total taxes. That’s 42.5 per cent of income going to taxes.

https://taxfoundation.org/comparison-tax-burden-labor-oecd-2016/
The total tax burden faced by average wage earners in the United States is 31.7 percent of their pretax earnings, paying $17,558 in taxes in 2015, with $9,167 in individual income taxes and $8,391 in payroll taxes.

31.7% vs 42.5%
Who is clued out, now ?
Why are you so stupid?
 

K Douglas

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Hey, you can read. Who knew?

Only problem:
Sales taxes in the US are about the same as Canada.
Try again.

You're still on the losing end of this one.
Once again your statement is false. Average state/local sales tax rate is approx 7%. What is it with liberals and their aversion to facts?
 

nottyboi

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http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/taxes-the-average-canadian-familys-largest-expense
In reality, the average Canadian household spends more on taxes than any other expense. Specifically, in 2016 the average Canadian family (including single Canadians) earned $83,105 in income and paid $35,283 in total taxes. That’s 42.5 per cent of income going to taxes.

https://taxfoundation.org/comparison-tax-burden-labor-oecd-2016/
The total tax burden faced by average wage earners in the United States is 31.7 percent of their pretax earnings, paying $17,558 in taxes in 2015, with $9,167 in individual income taxes and $8,391 in payroll taxes.

31.7% vs 42.5%
Who is clued out, now ?
Why are you so stupid?
Er mr rocket scientist that study is based on 2015 data which was based on tax policies your dream lover Harper put into place. So firstly, that was largely the doing of conservatives and secondly it is obsolete data as Trudeau has changed the tax code quite a bit. Especially when it comes to child tax benefits and child benefits for the poor.
 

JohnLarue

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Er mr rocket scientist that study is based on 2015 data which was based on tax policies your dream lover Harper put into place. So firstly, that was largely the doing of conservatives and secondly it is obsolete data as Trudeau has changed the tax code quite a bit. Especially when it comes to child tax benefits and child benefits for the poor.
Who do you think you are fooling ?
Read the quote
Specifically, in 2016.the average Canadian family (including single Canadians) earned $83,105 in income and paid $35,283 in total taxes. That’s 42.5 per cent of income going to taxes.

So that study could not have been based on 2015 data as you say

Bottom line the total tax burden on Canadians is much higher than in the US , contrary to what the title of this thread stated
 

nottyboi

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Who do you think you are fooling ?
Read the quote
Specifically, in 2016.the average Canadian family (including single Canadians) earned $83,105 in income and paid $35,283 in total taxes. That’s 42.5 per cent of income going to taxes.

So that study could not have been based on 2015 data as you say

Bottom line the total tax burden on Canadians is much higher than in the US , contrary to what the title of this thread stated
Original poster was based on 2017 data so the Trudeau plan was still not fully implemented including the very generous child benefit payments. The second link you posted was based on 2015 data, so please base any arguments on 2017 data or please take a hike
 

JohnLarue

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Original poster was based on 2017 data so the Trudeau plan was still not fully implemented including the very generous child benefit payments. The second link you posted was based on 2015 data, so please base any arguments on 2017 data or please take a hike
Any benefit from the child benefit program will be offset by the carbon tax
As hard as you may want to spread false information, the fact of the matter is we have a much higher tax burden than the Americans
It is not even close
 

JohnLarue

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And the Canadian average is about 10%, like I said, not that far off.
https://www.retailcouncil.org/quickfacts/taxrates
More false information from Frankfooter
His link shows all provinces save Alberta (& the territories) have double digit combined Federal / provincial sales taxes with the biggies Quebec @ 15%, BC @ 12% and Ont @ 13%
Since Ont , B.C. & Que represent 60% of the population and therefore the sales, it is mathematically impossible that the average Canadian pays less than 12% sales tax

Frankfooter tried to pull a fast one by averaging each of province & territory sales tax evenly or if you feel he is trustworthy then the only explanation left is that he is just plain stupid

The US does not have a Federal sales tax so it is 7% vs some number greater than 12%

There is no way the total tax burden on Canadians is less than the that on the US

Frankfooter will tell you different, however as we have seen his math skills are not too good or he just plain lies
 

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Compare what the average cost of a gallon of gas is the U.S. as opposed to what the equivalent would be in Ontario. Most of the difference is taxes.

And the America dollar is worth more than 25% more than the Canadian dollar, so what an American is left with after taxes is also 25% more.

And studies from 2015, 2016 or even 2017 don't take in to account the Trump tax cut.
 

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You guys better hope Trudeau and your new NDP premier don’t read this....
 

JohnLarue

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Compare what the average cost of a gallon of gas is the U.S. as opposed to what the equivalent would be in Ontario. Most of the difference is taxes.

And the America dollar is worth more than 25% more than the Canadian dollar, so what an American is left with after taxes is also 25% more.

And studies from 2015, 2016 or even 2017 don't take in to account the Trump tax cut.
Nor do those studies take into account the carbon tax
 

Frankfooter

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More false information from Frankfooter
His link shows all provinces save Alberta (& the territories) have double digit combined Federal / provincial sales taxes with the biggies Quebec @ 15%, BC @ 12% and Ont @ 13%
Since Ont , B.C. & Que represent 60% of the population and therefore the sales, it is mathematically impossible that the average Canadian pays less than 12% sales tax
I divided by the number of provinces, as they calculate avg sales taxes in the states.
If you can find other comparisons where they divide by population you can make your point.
Otherwise you're just trying to move the goal posts.

Feel free to add up those sales taxes and divide by the number of provinces and check my numbers.
 

K Douglas

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And the Canadian average is about 10%, like I said, not that far off.
https://www.retailcouncil.org/quickfacts/taxrates
Even if it was 10%, which it isn't close to, it's still 43% higher than the average US rate. That isn't far off in your books? You are no doubt a Liberal.

However, the average sales tax rate in Canada's 10 provinces is 12.9% which is 84% higher than the average sales tax rate in the United States.
 
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