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renuck

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I see there are some well traveled members here and I'm about to book a trip to Negril, so I'm wondering if anyone wears some weights for snorkeling. I sink about as well as styrofoam, I have to fight so hard to even get down 2-3m that I'm out of breath by the time I get down there. I was thinking of seeing if I can get some weights to wear to make this a little less exhausting.

So has anyone done this and how much weight are you using? I would think 3-5kg would help out a lot. If it's needed I'm 183cm tall and ~85kg.

Thanks for any input,
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Depends on your body's natural buoyancy, lung capacity and what you're wearing ie wetsuit, lycra/rashguard etc? Obviously you want to be neutral or you will be working extra hard to stay down or stay afloat. For you, try 6-8lbs and see if you need more or less. General rule is 2kg of weight to offset lung capacity. Remember, you're snorkeling and not free diving so is having weights really necessary?
 

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Thanks for the input. Like I said I fight to get down - at least in salt water. Weight would definitely make life easier I think. Where coral is within reach I cling onto it to stay down but it's really hard on the hands.... lots of abrasion and small cuts on the digits.

As a side note, funny you mention free diving. That is so what I want to be able to do and I was hoping I was going to get lessons for last christmas but it didn't happen. Here's hoping for next year!

Last fall I had a surprise opportunity to swim with a 8ft nurse shark. I held on around the tail and it pulled me down and I was good for maybe a minute at best (need to work on lung capacity!) but it was an awesome experience. So yeah unless I can hang onto something to pull me down I do think weight is necessary.
 

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Thanks for the input. Like I said I fight to get down - at least in salt water. Weight would definitely make life easier I think. Where coral is within reach I cling onto it to stay down but it's really hard on the hands.... lots of abrasion and small cuts on the digits.

As a side note, funny you mention free diving. That is so what I want to be able to do and I was hoping I was going to get lessons for last christmas but it didn't happen. Here's hoping for next year!

Last fall I had a surprise opportunity to swim with a 8ft nurse shark. I held on around the tail and it pulled me down and I was good for maybe a minute at best (need to work on lung capacity!) but it was an awesome experience. So yeah unless I can hang onto something to pull me down I do think weight is necessary.
A lot of people wear some lead for freediving, which for all intents and purposes is snorkeling with long (1-3 mins depending on the person and/or training) periods of bottom time. Usually this is to offset boyency in a wetsuit, but I’ve seen lots of guys freedive with lead without a wetsuit.

If your budget/weight allowance allows, go to any GTA dive shop and buy a weight belt. They’re like $15. This will make what you’re planning on doing a lot safer. What’s expensive is the lead. I don’t know anyone that would travel to Negril with their own lead, but if you’re not diving with a shop or a resort, you may have trouble finding a weight belt and lead without having to buy locally. Maybe someone will rent it to you?

There are tons of videos and articles on “weighting” / “weights” and “freediving” and it’ll help you decide on how much lead you’ll need, or how to find the right balance between buoyancy and neutrality.

Don’t overweight yourself. You’ll die.
 

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I had similar problem when "snuba" diving recently. The guide said I was working way too hard. Empty your lungs on the way down. It helped. Or you could use concrete like Jimmy Hoffa.
 

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"Where coral is within reach I cling onto it to stay down but it's really hard on the hands.... lots of abrasion and small cuts on the digits."

Not surprised. Coral can be razor sharp. There are special gloves that divers use while amidst coral. Holding on to coral is generally frowned upon because of potential damage. Can't help you with weights as I have never had to use them.
 

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When I went scuba diving in Barbados I had problems sinking at first. The instructor said I was fighting to hard and that I should relax. Also breathing normally helped to because I wasn’t consistently holding air in my lungs which would probably make me lighter. Unless you’re less than 120lbs you shouldn’t be floating too much. Also make sure that the deflatable life jacket they provide is fully deflated when you’re underwater and only inflate it when you want to reach the surface.
 

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Remember, you’re only trying to attain neutral buoyancy here, not negative bouyancy. If you’re attempting to freedive (or breath hold dive or whatever), you’ll need to adjust weighting to offset a lungful or air.

Telling you I need about 4kg of lead with my Sharkskin thermal long-sleeve and board shorts or trying to guess your body-fat vs. weight muscle-mass (sic) would be a waste of your time. I need different weights depending on which fins I’m using.

Whatever you do, please please please:

Never ever touch anything under water, other than yourself, your buddies (with consent), your equipment, and if local laws are OK with it, trash.

If I see a customer with gloves, I won’t kick them off our boats right away because I’m sure there are legitimate reasons to have them under some circumstances, but if we’re not cave diving, penetrating a wreck or doing a deco stop where we need to hold onto a marker line that’s covered in barnacles, there is no need for gloves, and it’s a dead giveaway you’re going to try to fuck up a reef or attempt to fuck up an animal. I certainly wouldn’t let a paying customer into the water with gloves without them explaining why they’re needed. This is common practice.

Customers (or you) fucking yourself up on the reef is pretty much the last thing I care about.

Standing on coral, even if it appears dead or touching it with your hands kills it more often than not. It’s not an instant death for the base coral, but the tiny polyps that grow all the fun looking corals that form on the base corals, which are hardy, take 20-30 years to regenerate into actual coral, and by standing on or touching the coral they’ve attached themselves to, it’s an instant death. At-least one year until more polyps are released, and there’s no guarantee a polyp will happen to attach itself to the place you destroyed.

Touching a shark, or any other sea animal, is very bad for it. If you see locals doing this, especially on snorkel tours (or whatever), it’s a dead giveaway that you’re with a bunch of shit heads. Conservation outweighs the value of tips in places where sustainability is practiced. Negril is not one of them. Which, in addition to overfishing of the reef, is why their reefs are dying/dead, or at least this was the case in 2011 when I was there last.

Your hands (all skin) is covered in microorganisms/bacteria, that can and will cause infections to the animals. Leave them alone. The ocean is not your petting zoo.

Sharks, even nurse sharks, aren’t being genuinely friendly if they’re hanging around you. They’re hoping you’re going to feed them, which guides often do to make sure they stick around. This is bad for the nurse shark (all sharks, really), as they become reliant on, and increasingly aggressive toward interlopers, which causes problems for the sharks, as shady tour operators use aggressive ways to ensure the shark stops bothering tourists, usually with the help of a spear gun.

I was on vacation in the Philippines awhile back and there was a complete asshole Russian who would nod his head in dive briefings when told to keep his hands to himself, then would touch coral, pick up clams or other crustaceans, and if he got the chance to touch a fish, an eel, shark/ray grab a turtle or whatever, he would. Warning after warning wouldn’t stop him.

Finally an American ex-pat put a dive knife through his hand while standing at a bar. He packed up and left the island the next day.
 

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Negril is mostly beach, I didn't see much coral.
There are definitely reefs, but all that I saw were pretty fucked up.
 

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@ managee, thanks for that post. I have the impression you were holding back a blast of shit for me (I would certainly understand being given an earful) but you kept it polite and made some good points and was educational - so thanks.

I should say I am a conservationist too, though I'll admit there is a lot I don't know. For me touching the coral, I was in a weird coral formation off of Samana. I only touched the underside which looked inactive to me and only used fingertips to minimize contact. I'll be sure to not touch in the future! I had no idea infection could be passed so easily. I would have thought anything I have on me would not be compatible with a marine species, and having a hand exposed to the salt water for so long I would think anything I did have is long gone and would only have local bacteria on me. The things you don't know.

When traveling south I've found they are much more concerned with the welfare of the local species than the typical north american attitude. I passed by and eventually ended up at a dolphin sanctuary IIRC on the causeway out to Cayo Santa Maria in Cuba. They (not just the tour company) explained to us that they were all rescues and couldn't be re-released to the wild. They used the money from the tours doing the swimming with the dolphins thing to fund their venture. To me it sounded something like the SPCA charging money to come pet dogs... kind of a win-win for both. The sharks I saw were in a pen in Mexico, their english was almost as bad as my spanish so I couldn't get an explanation as to why they were there. I assumed this was the same sort of scenario offering time with them to offset the costs of feeding and caring for them. Admittedly just a guess on my part.

Thanks again for the educational post!


I said we are going to Negril but I think we are going to be a bit away from there, as far as I know the resort is in Bloody Bay. I don't need a lot of coral to keep me happy when snorkeling. Even the man made wave breaks have enough life on them to keep me entertained for hours. There looks like there is a lot of coral there bet there are some rocky cliffs that will surely have something going on around them.
 

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@ managee, thanks for that post. I have the impression you were holding back a blast of shit for me (I would certainly understand being given an earful) but you kept it polite and made some good points and was educational - so thanks.

I should say I am a conservationist too, though I'll admit there is a lot I don't know. For me touching the coral, I was in a weird coral formation off of Samana. I only touched the underside which looked inactive to me and only used fingertips to minimize contact. I'll be sure to not touch in the future! I had no idea infection could be passed so easily. I would have thought anything I have on me would not be compatible with a marine species, and having a hand exposed to the salt water for so long I would think anything I did have is long gone and would only have local bacteria on me. The things you don't know.

When traveling south I've found they are much more concerned with the welfare of the local species than the typical north american attitude. I passed by and eventually ended up at a dolphin sanctuary IIRC on the causeway out to Cayo Santa Maria in Cuba. They (not just the tour company) explained to us that they were all rescues and couldn't be re-released to the wild. They used the money from the tours doing the swimming with the dolphins thing to fund their venture. To me it sounded something like the SPCA charging money to come pet dogs... kind of a win-win for both. The sharks I saw were in a pen in Mexico, their english was almost as bad as my spanish so I couldn't get an explanation as to why they were there. I assumed this was the same sort of scenario offering time with them to offset the costs of feeding and caring for them. Admittedly just a guess on my part.

Thanks again for the educational post!


I said we are going to Negril but I think we are going to be a bit away from there, as far as I know the resort is in Bloody Bay. I don't need a lot of coral to keep me happy when snorkeling. Even the man made wave breaks have enough life on them to keep me entertained for hours. There looks like there is a lot of coral there bet there are some rocky cliffs that will surely have something going on around them.
No problem. If you didn’t know, not much we can do about that stuff now.

I was obsessed with Sea World and Marine Land as a kid... hindsight is 20/20.

I’ve always been a bit suspicious of the “dolphin rescue” or “shark rescue” type pens. I’ve paid to go to enough aquariums to not be able to say much about this stuff without sounding like a hypocrite, but I don’t tend to financially support the captivity of marine mammals. Places like Stingray Cove on Cayman don’t bother me as much, as the critters aren’t penned and only hang out because they’ve been being fed there by local fishermen for hundreds of years.

Rescue centres are incredibly important, I worked for a turtle rescue centre a lifetime ago, but it’s rare that a wild dolphin could have sustained an injury that simultaneously makes the ocean impossibly dangerous, and a dolphin pen filled with tourists less-so in-terms of their long-range health and well-being.

That’s usually the line in the sand for me. If the rescue centre stays open entirely because of “swim with the dolphins” type schemes, it’s probably not much of a rescue centre.

When I was doing work in Jardines de la Reina a few years ago, I was told by a group of Cuban marine biologists that there are only a couple aquatic rescue operations in Cuba, and none are open to the public. Their purpose is to rehabilitate and are usually associated with the marine biology program at the University of Havana, so I’m sure they use the centres for research. They said without exception, the ones tourists go to might have injured or sick dolphins, but they aren’t rehabilitating them. Sad :(.

Whatever though.

Back to the first topic though. Does your hotel / resort have a dive centre? It’d be easier and cheaper to borrow that equipment. Flying with lead is like flying with lead. Can’t say I’ve ever done that except if I was diving a place without a dive centre. There are a few dive shops in Negril, and they may let you rent a weight belt and weights.

If you’re just looking to snorkel but plan to do the odd duck dive, I wouldn’t bother with weights unless they’re easily obtained. They just tire you out if you’re just floating about in the bay. Both bays are ridiculously busy, so I wouldn’t want to venture too far without a dive flag or other marker. I just tie myself to my 6ft safety sausage if I’m in places with traffic.

Personally, my recollection is hazy (shock) on how accessible the reefs are if you’re not going out on a dive boat. I’d certainly be a bit concerned for anyone who goes outside of the swimming boundaries because of the traffic.
 

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"Where coral is within reach I cling onto it to stay down but it's really hard on the hands.... lots of abrasion and small cuts on the digits."

Not surprised. Coral can be razor sharp. There are special gloves that divers use while amidst coral. Holding on to coral is generally frowned upon because of potential damage. Can't help you with weights as I have never had to use them.
That is a terrible thing to do;

1) you are killing the coral.

2) you are risking a really bad infection on your hands. Coral is full of bacteria. You could lose your hands.
 
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