Ontario Mosque Films Opponents - Gets Permission to Expose Names

[apoptygma]

Mainly,... a list of concerns by private citizens, all that is required to be forwarded to The Muslim Association of Canada,... a list of those private citizens, is not required,... and serves no perpose.

You really can't read, can you?
A list of concerns is all that is required? With no backup? No documentation that these private citizens are actually residents that may be affected?

Resident X has a noise complaint. Oh look, Resident X lives 15km away.
Resident Y thinks there will be too much traffic congestion. Oh look, Resident Y has been dead for 10 years.

A list is all that is needed? Anyone... heck, EVEN you can make up a list of 'concerns'.

Get a clue.

 

[Aardvark154]

So does the The Muslim Association of Canada have to provide the names and addresses of their members and former members to the Waterloo West Community Association?

 

[apoptygma]

So does the The Muslim Association of Canada have to provide the names of their members to the Waterloo West Community Association?

If the MAC were the ones appealing a ruling, then possibly.
As it stands, the homeowners' association are the ones appealing the ruling, and (reasonably so), the OMB thinks that the reasons for the appeal should be backed up. It's called providing evidence.

 

[Aardvark154]

If the MAC were the ones appealing a ruling, then possibly.
As it stands, the homeowners' association are the ones appealing the ruling, and (reasonably so), the OMB thinks that the reasons for the appeal should be backed up. It's called providing evidence.

Actually I'd say it is attempting to silence minority voices and justify harassment.

 

[FAST]

You really can't read, can you?
A list of concerns is all that is required? With no backup? No documentation that these private citizens are actually residents that may be affected?

Resident X has a noise complaint. Oh look, Resident X lives 15km away.
Resident Y thinks there will be too much traffic congestion. Oh look, Resident Y has been dead for 10 years.

A list is all that is needed? Anyone... heck, EVEN you can make up a list of 'concerns'.

Get a clue.

You really are simple minded,... aren't you.

Lets help you out here,... its obvious the OMB can be the only party involved to be responsible for determining if these private citizens are actually residents that may be affected.

Please let us know if you are dumb enough to think that it should be The Muslim Association of Canada's responsibility,... to confirm that these private citizens are actually residents that may be affected,... ???

This I have to hear.

 

[Aardvark154]

^ further there was a simpler remedy available for the OMB: Waterloo West Community Association, please provide a list of how many of your members are not residents of the City of Waterloo. Please provide a list of how many of your members do not live within a certain distance of 510 Erbsville Road, Waterloo.

 

[basketcase]

Actually I'd say it is attempting to silence minority voices and justify harassment.

Like trying to deny a minority the right to pray?

Considering how many churches exist in most Canadian cities from old cathedrals to store front evangelicals (and yes, from my place in downtown Toronto, a 10 minute walk could take me to a couple dozen religious sites), it is extremely important for the OMB to determine the validity of the complains to see whether they are actual complains about the impact on community spaces or whether it is simply racists who hate Muslims being around.

 

[mandrill]

So does the The Muslim Association of Canada have to provide the names and addresses of their members and former members to the Waterloo West Community Association?

No. Because they're not the people petitioning the OMB to stop the development and listing reasons why the development would be undesirable. Why would the developers have to provide names?

At least try and read my posts earlier in the thread, counsel.

 

[mandrill]

^ further there was a simpler remedy available for the OMB: Waterloo West Community Association, please provide a list of how many of your members are not residents of the City of Waterloo. Please provide a list of how many of your members do not live within a certain distance of 510 Erbsville Road, Waterloo.

Another one who should drive out to K-W and ask for "special intervenor" status, so he can tell the Board that Muslims are nasty.

What's the test to overturn a tribunal decision in Canada, Counsel??..... Hint: read Nfld Nurses. It's unreasonableness. I don't see anything unreasonable in the OMB decision. It sits plumb square on the reasonable spectrum.

 

[mandrill]

You really are simple minded,... aren't you.

Lets help you out here,... its obvious the OMB can be the only party involved to be responsible for determining if these private citizens are actually residents that may be affected.

Please let us know if you are dumb enough to think that it should be The Muslim Association of Canada's responsibility,... to confirm that these private citizens are actually residents that may be affected,... ???

This I have to hear.

Why do you even try, Fast? You know you're not smart enough to do this.

Normally parties are given the right to investigate and test their opponent's story when prepping for a hearing. It's not the job of the tribunal to do any of this leg work.

 

[managee]

Like trying to deny a minority the right to pray?

Considering how many churches exist in most Canadian cities from old cathedrals to store front evangelicals (and yes, from my place in downtown Toronto, a 10 minute walk could take me to a couple dozen religious sites), it is extremely important for the OMB to determine the validity of the complains to see whether they are actual complains about the impact on community spaces or whether it is simply racists who hate Muslims being around.

:encouragement:

No. Because they're not the people petitioning the OMB to stop the development and listing reasons why the development would be undesirable. Why would the developers have to provide names?

At least try and read my posts earlier in the thread, counsel.

:encouragement:

Another one who should drive out to K-W and ask for "special intervenor" status, so he can tell the Board that Muslims are nasty.

What's the test to overturn a tribunal decision in Canada, Counsel??..... Hint: read Nfld Nurses. It's unreasonableness. I don't see anything unreasonable in the OMB decision. It sits plumb square on the reasonable spectrum.

:encouragement:

Why do you even try, Fast? You know you're not smart enough to do this.

Normally parties are given the right to investigate and test their opponent's story when prepping for a hearing. It's not the job of the tribunal to do any of this leg work.

:encouragement:

"We are in an era where mobile phones with visual and audio recording capability are both commonplace and commonly used. The canvassers were recorded going along the public right-of-way."

"It strains the board's credulity to suggest that the canvassers had an expectation of privacy … while undertaking their canvassing to obtain additional support of their opposition to the bylaw."

This stuff is all gold.

New theory: Hope Han Yang and the WWCA are sleeper Muslim Brotherhood agents/cells. They’re attempting to undermine the anti-Muslim movement in Canada by acting like such complete muppets, to side with them is to admit intellectual defeat.

You heard it here first.

YouTube video to follow.

 

[Galseigin]

Actually I'd say it is attempting to silence minority voices and justify harassment.

That's exactly what it is: intimidation. They're trying to silence the people in the neighborhood and force their way through.

 

[apoptygma]

You really are simple minded,... aren't you.

Lets help you out here,... its obvious the OMB can be the only party involved to be responsible for determining if these private citizens are actually residents that may be affected.

Please let us know if you are dumb enough to think that it should be The Muslim Association of Canada's responsibility,... to confirm that these private citizens are actually residents that may be affected,... ???

This I have to hear.

The OMB is responsible for a ruling based on the evidence presented by both parties. How would it make sense that the OMB act on behalf of one or the other party? Maybe it should have filed the appeal on behalf of the homeowners' association as well?

Yes, it IS the right of the MAC to confirm or contradict evidence provided by the other party. Just like it is up to my lawyer to explore evidence presented against me in a criminal or civil case. It is NOT the judge's responsibility, as you so foolishly assert.

You're clueless on a whole new never.

 

[oldjones]

the MAC is linked to muslim brotherhood

contained the following statement about its roots tracing back to the Muslim Brotherhood:[16]
“MAC’s roots are deeply enshrined in the message of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). Its modern roots can be traced to the Islamic revival of the early twentieth century, culminating in the movement of the Muslim Brotherhood. This movement influenced Islamic activities, trends and intellectual discourse throughout the world including those of Muslims who came to Canada in search of freedom, education and better opportunities. MAC adopts and strives to implement Islam, as embodied in the Qur’an, and the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and as understood in its contemporary context by the late Imam, Hassan Albanna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. MAC regards this ideology as the best representation of Islam as delivered by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).”

You do know that's a reference to a guy who's been dead for almost seventy years, don't you?.

 

[oldjones]

…
OMB says Muslim centre opponents can’t remain anonymous

WATERLOO — Fear of harassment with limited support for the assertion isn't a good enough reason to keep the names of those fighting a proposed Muslim centre on Erbsville Road confidential.

In a decision handed down Feb. 26, the Ontario Municipal Board ordered the Waterloo West Community Association (WWCA) to provide a complete list of the names and addresses of its current and former members to the other parties in the matter, which is set to go to hearing April 24.
The Muslim Association of Canada (MAC) is anxious to have a decision on the appeal of a City of Waterloo bylaw passed last year that would enable it to use the existing building at 510 Erbsville Rd. for spiritual purposes. The Muslim Association of Canada also plans to redevelop the property and build a proper mosque in the next five to 10 years.
The community association hired a lawyer and appealed the city's decision, citing concerns with the smaller spiritual use of the building, as well as future expansion.

The Muslim association takes the position that in order to meet the challenge and respond to assertions of negative impact, it needs to know who the members of the community association are and where the property of each member is located. It filed a motion requesting the information at a pre-hearing back in January after repeated attempts to attain a complete list of names and addresses were refused.

An affidavit from a land-use planner with Wood Bull LLP, the firm representing the appellants, cited the community association's director Hope Hon Yang, who advised her "many of the members are fearful of harassment as a result of their objection to this proposal."
The OMB ruled that the Muslim association had "met the test of requesting the information" and that the "affidavit contained nothing to support the claim of fear of harassment."
Community association members said they'd been followed by an individual who was recording them canvassing door-to-door last summer, however that was the limit of support for the assertion, the board noted.
"The board does not find this explanation for withholding the membership information in WWCA to be persuasive," the decision reads.

"We arein an era where mobile phones with visual and audio recording capability are both commonplace and commonly used. The canvassers were recorded going along the public right-of-way."
"It strains the board's credulity to suggest that the canvassers had an expectation of privacy … while undertaking their canvassing to obtain additional support of their opposition to the bylaw."

The board also noted that members of the gallery at the pre-hearing, sitting on opposite sides of the room, had mobile phones out to record proceedings.
"The board dismisses the assertion of a fear of harassment as a reason to withhold the member information being sought by the MAC or to encumber that production in any way," the decision reads.
"The board agrees that reasonable need for (the Muslim association) to be able to meet the opposing case in these proceedings demands the production of membership information of the WWCA ..."
The hearing will commence April 24 at 10 a.m. in Waterloo council chambers, 100 Regina St. S. Four days have been set aside.
https://www.therecord.com/news-stor...slim-centre-opponents-can-t-remain-anonymous/

Fixed your misquoted post, by including the original, accurate headline you misleadingly edited-out so as to slant the story your way.

The actual point was that if you want to block your neighbours from doing what they have a right to, you cannot hide who you are. You have to give your name and face them. I added emphasis to the OMB's observation that people from both sides were videoing the proceedings.

 

[FAST]

Why do you even try, Fast? You know you're not smart enough to do this.

Normally parties are given the right to investigate and test their opponent's story when prepping for a hearing. It's not the job of the tribunal to do any of this leg work.

Why do you even bother to get up in the morning.

So by your thought process,... such as it is,... the OMB simply takes what ever the apposing parties provides, without doing any legwork to confirm whether or not any of it is legit,... and then what,... the party with the most documents wins,... or maybe the OMB throws a dart.

Further,... lets suppose that if The Muslim Association of Canada was allowed to do research on private citizens, and produced a "report" that stated that the list of private citizens was lacking,... the OMB would then reply,... "Oh thanks,... we didn't know that, we'll take your word for it... you win".

Maybe that's how your profession operates, and has rightly earned its reputation,...

 

[mandrill]

Why do you even bother to get up in the morning.

So by your thought process,... such as it is,... the OMB simply takes what ever the apposing parties provides, without doing any legwork to confirm whether or not any of it is legit,... and then what,... the party with the most documents wins,... or maybe the OMB throws a dart.

Further,... lets suppose that if The Muslim Association of Canada was allowed to do research on private citizens, and found that the list of private citizens was lacking,... the OMB would then reply,... "Oh thanks,... we didn't know that,... you win".

Maybe that's how your profession operates, and rightly earned its reputation,...

https://twitter.com/usblm/status/975878917373521920

Muslim haters be like......

 

[GEMSHINER]

Although K-W is known as a large European/German population ,this issue is driven by the Chinese and Asian residents in the Erbsville area.I see this as a "Not in my backyard" situation ,and I live in the area guys

 

[FAST]

The OMB is responsible for a ruling based on the evidence presented by both parties. How would it make sense that the OMB act on behalf of one or the other party? Maybe it should have filed the appeal on behalf of the homeowners' association as well?

Yes, it IS the right of the MAC to confirm or contradict evidence provided by the other party. Just like it is up to my lawyer to explore evidence presented against me in a criminal or civil case. It is NOT the judge's responsibility, as you so foolishly assert.

You're clueless on a whole new never.

Your words,... "The OMB is responsible for a ruling based on the evidence presented by both parties."

That makes the OMB judge and jury.

So now you are stating that the OMB simply takes what ever evidence provided by both parties,... makes absolutely no effort to confirm if any of it is legit,... and covers their collective eyes and blindly points at the winner,... ???

The whole point of this thread is regarding private citizens,... not some geological study,... get the difference,... judging by you posts,... not likely.

But you do seem to have a handle on continually initiating childish insults in every thread you stick your nose in,... I have to give you that.

And really impressed that you got up at 7:00 AM to respond to me fuji,... oh sorry,... apopty

 

[FAST]

The sign of maturity,...

https://twitter.com/usblm/status/975878917373521920

Muslim haters be like......

That's you response to my post,... ???

You really need to get professional help,... you are one sick puppy,... and I'm being kind here.