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Here's another point. At late 30s if you want to have children it's probably getting too late because if you have them too late you won't be alive long enough to see them do things. Also, maybe some people with better experiences can correct me, if I were to spend an additional 10 years single so into late 40s what's the point of finding someone at that point? Most of your best years and life has been wasted. It's funny how I have friends that change women like guys change underwear but some of them are not the best guys for women. If I had a daughter I wouldn't let some of my friends date her. But hey some guys don't have to try and they find partners. I knew a guy that was so depressed he even spent time at the mental hospital, he didn't have motivation, didn't have money etc and women just fell on his lap. Others like I have more to offer and we get overlooked because of looks or weight.

This is very frustrating because in other parts of my life I've been pretty successful. I put in the work and see results. With women no matter how much I put in the work it goes nowhere. It gets really annoying because after a while I wonder why should I keep trying? I'm getting older and it's only going to get harder at the end of the day I can't force someone to love me or see my qualities and I can't rent them like Trump rents his wives. I also wouldn't want to be him where he is with these women that don't love him. If he ever got sick these women would run.

Any members out there had bad luck in relationships and then it all turned around or did you find your partners late in life and was it ok?
 

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A few things.

Some women won't look at you. Some women can look past it. I am on the chubby side and did not have a lot of confidence. I started seeing strippers and then SPs after my divorce, in my 40's. I was amazed at how well so many of the ladies treated me and IMO, I got consistently high mileage. I figured that because they see so many guys that they soon learn that good looking does not necessarily mean good person and they soon learn just to judge guys by how respectful, funny, intelligent etc. they are, not their shape.

Civvy girls do not normally see as many guys and for many they have not learned how to judge a guy for what is on the inside. They see the outside. One can say it is superficial, but I think we all have some of that fault. It may be the wisdom that comes with age.

A side benefit of my positive experiences with SPs is that I gained confidence in dealing with ladies. I was more myself and took the approach that if they didn't like me, so be it. The best thing you can do is to be yourself. It takes confidence to do that (not arrogance) to learn how to be rejected and not take it personally. As well, a confident man can be very, very appealing to a lot of women. Maybe they assume that a guy has a lot of good stuff going for him to be overweight yet still be confident.

So, my advice is try not to be afraid, Go after the women you find you desire and if it doesn't work out, try somebody else. All it takes is for one or two women to really click with you to make you realize that you have a lot of good qualities even if your physique is not one of them.

I am waiting for the replies where guys will be giving you weight loss advice. Believe me the confidence you get from that is less than the confidence you get when you have had positive experiences/feedback from the ladies you date.
I should introduce you to my mom.
 

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Here's another point. At late 30s if you want to have children it's probably getting too late because if you have them too late you won't be alive long enough to see them do things. Also, maybe some people with better experiences can correct me, if I were to spend an additional 10 years single so into late 40s what's the point of finding someone at that point? Most of your best years and life has been wasted. It's funny how I have friends that change women like guys change underwear but some of them are not the best guys for women. If I had a daughter I wouldn't let some of my friends date her. But hey some guys don't have to try and they find partners. I knew a guy that was so depressed he even spent time at the mental hospital, he didn't have motivation, didn't have money etc and women just fell on his lap. Others like I have more to offer and we get overlooked because of looks or weight.

This is very frustrating because in other parts of my life I've been pretty successful. I put in the work and see results. With women no matter how much I put in the work it goes nowhere. It gets really annoying because after a while I wonder why should I keep trying? I'm getting older and it's only going to get harder at the end of the day I can't force someone to love me or see my qualities and I can't rent them like Trump rents his wives. I also wouldn't want to be him where he is with these women that don't love him. If he ever got sick these women would run.

Any members out there had bad luck in relationships and then it all turned around or did you find your partners late in life and was it ok?
If your argument is the OP is getting older so he shouldn't bother trying then he might as well stick with escorts and be done with it. But it seems that he is looking for an actual relationship so that will take effort on his part. No one will give it to him.

You do have much more to consider if you have kids later in life, but that does not mean you should not have them. I would hope that if you had kids late in life you would take greater care of yourself so you could be there for them as long as possible. You can still have kids in your 40's and still be around for them when they are in their 30's.
 

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If your argument is the OP is getting older so he shouldn't bother trying then he might as well stick with escorts and be done with it. But it seems that he is looking for an actual relationship so that will take effort on his part. No one will give it to him.

You do have much more to consider if you have kids later in life, but that does not mean you should not have them. I would hope that if you had kids late in life you would take greater care of yourself so you could be there for them as long as possible. You can still have kids in your 40's and still be around for them when they are in their 30's.
He is the OP.
 

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He is the OP.
Totally missed that. Thanks. Again, the OP seems to have a defeatist attitude and that won't help his situation. If he's looking for reasons not to get into a relationship because he's afraid of having kids too late or whatever, then he's already lost the battle. But if he truly wants to be in a relationship he'll need to change the attitude.
 

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Totally missed that. Thanks. Again, the OP seems to have a defeatist attitude and that won't help his situation. If he's looking for reasons not to get into a relationship because he's afraid of having kids too late or whatever, then he's already lost the battle. But if he truly wants to be in a relationship he'll need to change the attitude.
For sure. Between the low carb diet/ketone diet, a variety of programs like Jenny Craig or Bernstein, fitness trainers and extended trips to the gym, most people can lose weight if they truly wanted to. I know a fellow who was on some low calorie shake diet (1000 calories a day) and dropped 70 pounds. He's fairly big so he still has a ways to go but he committed and dropped the weight (of course he was very fatigued). I want to lose weight but I can admit I don't commit 100% because I supplement a healthy diet with snacks/garbage (just ate some chips and raisin bread after dinner after returning from the gym).

But yes, the attitude is pessimistic so that needs to change, including blaming everything on other's supposed reactions.

To the OP, whenever I get injured, I'm doing low impact things like swimming. I don't know if walking is an option with the groin injury but walking those 10000 steps a day can help with weight loss. Even the small changes (take stairs at work, walk to grocery store instead of driving, stand up instead of sitting during certain activities).
 

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Here's another point. At late 30s if you want to have children it's probably getting too late because if you have them too late you won't be alive long enough to see them do things. Also, maybe some people with better experiences can correct me, if I were to spend an additional 10 years single so into late 40s what's the point of finding someone at that point? Most of your best years and life has been wasted. It's funny how I have friends that change women like guys change underwear but some of them are not the best guys for women. If I had a daughter I wouldn't let some of my friends date her. But hey some guys don't have to try and they find partners. I knew a guy that was so depressed he even spent time at the mental hospital, he didn't have motivation, didn't have money etc and women just fell on his lap. Others like I have more to offer and we get overlooked because of looks or weight.

This is very frustrating because in other parts of my life I've been pretty successful. I put in the work and see results. With women no matter how much I put in the work it goes nowhere. It gets really annoying because after a while I wonder why should I keep trying? I'm getting older and it's only going to get harder at the end of the day I can't force someone to love me or see my qualities and I can't rent them like Trump rents his wives. I also wouldn't want to be him where he is with these women that don't love him. If he ever got sick these women would run.

Any members out there had bad luck in relationships and then it all turned around or did you find your partners late in life and was it ok?
Date ugly women. Problem fixed
 

koreanjames

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I have a few friends that had their first kid late 30s and I had a client who has his first kid early 50s.... the friend in early 50s seems happy the younger friend isn’t !

Totally missed that. Thanks. Again, the OP seems to have a defeatist attitude and that won't help his situation. If he's looking for reasons not to get into a relationship because he's afraid of having kids too late or whatever, then he's already lost the battle. But if he truly wants to be in a relationship he'll need to change the attitude.
 

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I work with a guy who was HUGE (since then he lost quite a bit of weight), I'm not sure if he could even fuck. Long story short he found the love of his life late in his 30s and now they are happy together.
 

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Here's another point. At late 30s if you want to have children it's probably getting too late because if you have them too late you won't be alive long enough to see them do things. Also, maybe some people with better experiences can correct me, if I were to spend an additional 10 years single so into late 40s what's the point of finding someone at that point? Most of your best years and life has been wasted. It's funny how I have friends that change women like guys change underwear but some of them are not the best guys for women. If I had a daughter I wouldn't let some of my friends date her. But hey some guys don't have to try and they find partners. I knew a guy that was so depressed he even spent time at the mental hospital, he didn't have motivation, didn't have money etc and women just fell on his lap. Others like I have more to offer and we get overlooked because of looks or weight.

This is very frustrating because in other parts of my life I've been pretty successful. I put in the work and see results. With women no matter how much I put in the work it goes nowhere. It gets really annoying because after a while I wonder why should I keep trying? I'm getting older and it's only going to get harder at the end of the day I can't force someone to love me or see my qualities and I can't rent them like Trump rents his wives. I also wouldn't want to be him where he is with these women that don't love him. If he ever got sick these women would run.

Any members out there had bad luck in relationships and then it all turned around or did you find your partners late in life and was it ok?
For fucks sake can we stop the pity party.

If you don't have a kid till 40 you didn't waste the better part of your life UNLESS you choose to. If you sit around like some benchwarmer waiting for a chance to play then yes you will waste your time. Get out there and find joy. The problem is you are looking for a wife and child to bring you happiness. What happens when you wife has a problem or your child is not born healthy then what? YOU are RESPONSIBLE for your own happiness.

If you truly believe your only problem is weight then fix it. Right now it seems like you are on a "it's not me, it's them" attitude. Like hotties in Toronto should be getting wet for some fat guy who makes excuses.

My guess is there's more to it. You probably reek of desperation. I've had dating slumps and so have my friends. One friend is currently dealing with too many girls to date. He's done nothing different, his best theory is that we are coming out of winter and people are looking to start new relationships.

You have put too much emphasis on the end results.
 

frankcastle

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If you meet a woman while in your 40s cool. Maybe she doesn't want kids either.

If being a parent sooner than later is really that important..... what about adoption, finding a lesbian couple to co parent with, being a big brother, get a dog.

Like I said before most married guys are wishing they had time on their own. So just enjoy whatever state your life is in.
 

explorerzip

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I have a few friends that had their first kid late 30s and I had a client who has his first kid early 50s.... the friend in early 50s seems happy the younger friend isn’t !
Makes sense to me. You will likely have your career, finances and life more or less sorted out by your 50's. You might still be figuring out your career, paying school debtsyour mortgage, etc. in your 30's.
 

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If you meet a woman while in your 40s cool. Maybe she doesn't want kids either.

If being a parent sooner than later is really that important..... what about adoption, finding a lesbian couple to co parent with, being a big brother, get a dog.

Like I said before most married guys are wishing they had time on their own. So just enjoy whatever state your life is in.
I like this quote. Mostly because it emphasizes that TIME is more important and how you use it -- more than marital status.
 

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Here is a simple way to look at it.

"There is somebody for everybody."
 

koreanjames

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i still don't think you are correct in thinking that the problem is this city, and that people in toronto are just more shallow than in other places. like all metropolitans, people living in them tend to be more well-off, and thus have the funds to invest in their outer appearance, be it through fashion, nutrition, exercise, and just general well-being in terms of mental and physical health. and the more people have invested in their own appearances, the higher their expectations are when it comes to their choice in romantic partners. other cities aren't any different. you might be relying on some anecdotal experiences, but that doesn't mean it's true generally, or that your luck in toronto won't differ compared to other places you've been. it seems like you're just trying to write off toronto so you can give up more easily on your chances of finding love. that's not the right answer.

based on your comments, i really believe it's your outlook that needs to change above all else. you seem a bit depressed, and you might benefit from some psychotherapy before anything else. you do seem to have a defeatist attitude as someone else said. just because you're in your late 30s doesn't mean all is bleak, or that you're running out of time. this is especially so since you're a man, and society doesn't place such a high value on your youth as it does for women. i knew a guy who at 28 had finally quit smoking and drinking, started to hit the gym, his sex drive had skyrocketed for the first time since puberty, and was really looking forward to his 40s when he knew he would be finally established in his career and income. it's really never too late, and you need to remember this. lots of young women i know are really into older men - i went through that phase myself. we all want to be that little coquettish nymph seducing the DILF and having all his attention. you can be that guy too if you wanted to be. at least fat is something temporary, unlike facial features or some other permanent physical trait.

i think you need to try not to fear loneliness as much as you seem to, and learn to embrace your solitude. learning to enjoy being alone is something valuable i think every person needs. spend some time getting to know yourself and your passions. people who know themselves well probably have an easier time finding what they want in life because they know what that is. you talk about women in terms of 7s and 8s, but do those numbers have any real meaning to you? you don't want a barbie, but you still seem to insist on being with a conventionally attractive woman. that's not necessarily unrealistic, but at the same time, it sounds like you're needlessly narrowing your choices down, ironically in a rather shallow way. that isn't the way to go about finding happiness in your romantic relationships at all. a good partner should surprise you in ways you hadn't expected. the image of the perfect 7 or 8 in your mind could be non-existent for all you know. for me, when i think about the guy i want, i always begin with personality traits (independent free thinker, dry sense of humour, appreciation for the arts, good knowledge of underground subcultures) before moving onto physical traits. physical traits like attractiveness and being fashionable are nice and all, but incompatible personalities are always going to be the dealbreaker, especially if you're looking for a life partner, which it sounds like you are.

you need to come to realize that just because you're overweight doesn't mean you need to settle for the first ok looking woman that comes along. you need to ask yourself about the kinds of qualities in a person that makes you happy, and narrow in on those traits when getting to know women. i know that when i'm getting to know a guy, the first thing i'm looking for is whether this guy knows what he wants in life. confidence begins with knowing oneself.

while you're spending time learning about yourself and challenging yourself mentally, start thinking about ways to challenge yourself physically. you don't need to start today. considering your injuries, what are some ways you can get some movement into your lifestyle that are realistic? someone mentioned swimming, which i personally love so much. i love being in the water and it's very easy on your joints. i'd also recommend biking - we have some great cycling routes in this city, especially the lanes along lake shore. you can even just take more walks - downtown toronto is always exciting and beautiful and there's always something going on. just walking for a half hour or an hour a day can really get you looking fit - you'd be surprised. just remind yourself that a 30 min walk is always better than no walk at all.

during the winter, it's easy to get bummed out and just hate everything around you and want to give up. we've all been there. now like i said, you don't need to go and start launching into a gym and diet routine tomorrow. but maybe start slow and work little things into your daily routine that pushes you in that direction. cook a healthy meal for yourself that you enjoy. there are so many recipes online for free. use the resources available to you. cut down on alcohol, if you happen to drink a lot. cut down on high carb, high fat meals, which can make you sleepy and more sedentary.

stop thinking about your life in terms of a timeline, or thinking you are running out of time. we could all die tomorrow. your life happens day by day. and every day is a chance to make a change.

oh and finally, i think your fears of ending up with a superficial partner are unfounded. it sounds like you might not have ever experienced true love before, but i'm going to tell you that when you do fall in love, it will take a lot more than just a few extra pounds here and there to break up that relationship. so fret not about this now. you need to better yourself for yourself, first and foremost. forget everyone else. your mental health and your physical health are inextricably linked. nurture one and the other will follow.

i know it must feel frustrating to feel invisible due to your weight. but there are big people out there who get a lot of respect from others for reasons beyond what they look like. and i think cultivating those good personality traits always begins with self-acceptance and self-love. until you learn how to love yourself, you won't be able to nurture your body and your health the way you need. once you're able to do that, love will find its way to you in unexpected ways.
 

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Makes sense to me. You will likely have your career, finances and life more or less sorted out by your 50's. You might still be figuring out your career, paying school debtsyour mortgage, etc. in your 30's.
Nah I just don’t think he (younger friend) is happy at all with his wife lol! Both are extremely strong earners imho.

I do get what your saying 100% , but keep in mind that there are a few with big beautiful house mortgage free, career in prime etc etc in their 30s.... whether they are happy however is a different topic all together
 

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