My god, who would have thought how stupid and foolish men (or should I say children) are who post things here. This is just another stupid and asinine thread. Men and women give and receive gifts for whatever reason. Get over it!
Why do clients patronize SWs with gifts?
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Have I really said I have never charge a long term client for a session? Didn't think I have said that.
Doesnt matter anyway, does it? Who are you to discuss my business practices directly? I can speak and explain myself. I don't need you to "explain" my side of things. No need to explain my life or what I do, how I do, when I do, etc.
Yes I have asked you not to quote me. I don't want you to talk about me. Make assumptions about me, comment on me or what I do. I want you to leave me alone. Pretend I don't exist. There is no need for my name to come up in your posts period.
To be clear, I would not be speaking to you right now if you didn't make a bunch of assumptions about me in some of the latest threads.
I don't understand why it is so hard for you to respect a simple request from someone. Please leave me alone and pretend I do not exist. Thank you.
Public forum, public discussion. I do not want to talk with you directly either nor have I done so until this moment. I'm not targeting you, trying to impugn your character or have any negative reason behind my comments. Sorry if that's your impression/assumption. But I see no reason to basically side-step/tiptoe around you and all your comments on a PUBLIC forum simply because you've asked. I treat you like any other person - if I see a comment I like or agree with, I say so. If I disagree, I say so. If it references something I want to build on, I do so. Please do not ask me to do something I don't have to do nor should I do just because you have your own negative opinion. Is it fair if I ask you to stop posting on Terb because I don't like/agree with some things you post?
Please feel free to follow your own advice. EOD
Sorry folks for the side step, courtesy of Jessica. I can't help it if I reply to a topic only to have someone complain and go onto a tangent.
So that is a no. You will purposely not leave me alone. You will continue to comment about me directly and anything you like about me, real or assumed. Doesn't matter if I have repeatedly asked you now to leave me alone. Doesn't matter that I have not spoken to you, about you, or anything unless I have had to react in defence to a behaviour started by you. I have been polite in my requests to be left alone by you and as well as other women. We all know I am not the only one.
Your desire to continue this negative behaviour is more important than my desire to be left alone. Good to know. Disgusting in my opinion but good to know.
Here are some interesting gifts to SW from their clients:
http://www.rebelcircus.com/blog/sex-workers-strangest-gifts-got-clients/
http://www.rebelcircus.com/blog/sex-workers-strangest-gifts-got-clients/
From my perspective, I have felt like giving small thought-out gifts occasionally if I know I am getting good service and a good "deal" (for lack of a better word). Mainly my small gifts would consists of a coffee shop gift card, drink for a dancer or a new body wash bottle. Even when you think of it, the bodywash can be thoughtful and handy because it would save a MPA money on their own supplies.
1. They have too much to spend. Probably rich dudes.
2. They are lonely and desperate for a girlfriend. So showering an SP with gifts and extra money makes them feel the SP is theirs.... even though she isn't
3. An SP receiving gifts posts it on Twitter, tells the client they are extra special, and this feedback makes them feel good as they are communicating with a hot women.... even though it takes money to do so
4. The naive type who gets easily swindled. Sort of like going to a strip joint. Every stripper coming by treats you nice and thinks you are great looking, even with scripted canned lines..... "Oh wow, do you work out?" Gimme a break. I'm probably 40 lbs overweight, haven't been to a gym in 10 years and I'm wearing short sleeves which shows zero ripped biceps. The second you decline, they shuffle off, give you an evil eye half the type and try the same line on the next table. Nothing makes them feel better than finding that lonely old guy who can't say no. Guy probably spends his entire monthly pension on her in 2 hours.
Amazingly, some still don't get the message. There have been a few times a stripper won't take no and keeps lingering around and I had to tell her "will you get lost?".
As for me, I'll have none of that. I'll pay my hourly fee, have fun, and then I'm done. She's not my GF. I'm not her BF. Nothing more needed to be done.
2. They are lonely and desperate for a girlfriend. So showering an SP with gifts and extra money makes them feel the SP is theirs.... even though she isn't
3. An SP receiving gifts posts it on Twitter, tells the client they are extra special, and this feedback makes them feel good as they are communicating with a hot women.... even though it takes money to do so
4. The naive type who gets easily swindled. Sort of like going to a strip joint. Every stripper coming by treats you nice and thinks you are great looking, even with scripted canned lines..... "Oh wow, do you work out?" Gimme a break. I'm probably 40 lbs overweight, haven't been to a gym in 10 years and I'm wearing short sleeves which shows zero ripped biceps. The second you decline, they shuffle off, give you an evil eye half the type and try the same line on the next table. Nothing makes them feel better than finding that lonely old guy who can't say no. Guy probably spends his entire monthly pension on her in 2 hours.
Amazingly, some still don't get the message. There have been a few times a stripper won't take no and keeps lingering around and I had to tell her "will you get lost?".
As for me, I'll have none of that. I'll pay my hourly fee, have fun, and then I'm done. She's not my GF. I'm not her BF. Nothing more needed to be done.
There's an ignore function on Terb - please feel free to use it. I'm not the one who's making a mountain out of a molehill and crying foul because I don't like a comment or being commented on, claiming I'm somehow 'bothering' you and not leaving you alone. Please don't pretend and act like I'm somehow committing a crime or harassing you. Hell of a stretch...Exercise your right to ignore, not reply, etc.
If I don't like what Oprah Winfrey says on TV, I can change the channel or turn off the TV. I don't whine and complain to the Oprah Winfrey show or the network and ask Oprah to cater to my requests.
The same group of people always ask the same questions:
Why do clients give SPs gifts?
Why do clients tip SPs?
Why do clients book extended sessions?
Short answer: because I can.
I've never understood why people are so concerned with things that don't affect their lives. Why does it matter to you?
I'll give a reason but this isn't the reason why I give gifts. I often book multi hour sessions, so let's say for this example, I book a 4 hour session with an indy who gives me a packaged rate of $1,000 as opposed to $300/hr x 4 = $1,200. So with the $200 difference, I spend some, half or all of it on gifts for the SP. So in this case, everyone's point of spending money on top of the hourly rate is now moot.
I already know from experience, this will stem the question of why do I book multi hour sessions. Short answer: because I can. Again, why does it matter to you?
I have my preferences, you have yours. Maybe I just want to cuddle with someone for 4 hours, maybe I just want someone to talk to (this is cheaper than going to see a shrink), maybe I just like sex, maybe it's none of your business.
I'm single by the way, I don't hobby when I'm in a relationship. So my question is why do guys in relationships see an SP? What's worse, me giving an SP a gift or you cheating on your wife/gf?
Flame on!
Why do clients give SPs gifts?
Why do clients tip SPs?
Why do clients book extended sessions?
Short answer: because I can.
I've never understood why people are so concerned with things that don't affect their lives. Why does it matter to you?
I'll give a reason but this isn't the reason why I give gifts. I often book multi hour sessions, so let's say for this example, I book a 4 hour session with an indy who gives me a packaged rate of $1,000 as opposed to $300/hr x 4 = $1,200. So with the $200 difference, I spend some, half or all of it on gifts for the SP. So in this case, everyone's point of spending money on top of the hourly rate is now moot.
I already know from experience, this will stem the question of why do I book multi hour sessions. Short answer: because I can. Again, why does it matter to you?
I have my preferences, you have yours. Maybe I just want to cuddle with someone for 4 hours, maybe I just want someone to talk to (this is cheaper than going to see a shrink), maybe I just like sex, maybe it's none of your business.
I'm single by the way, I don't hobby when I'm in a relationship. So my question is why do guys in relationships see an SP? What's worse, me giving an SP a gift or you cheating on your wife/gf?
Flame on!
I couldn't agree more with what you wrote here.
I don't get it. I mean I get curiosity to a point but some of the stuff is over the top. I don't see people asking tons of questions about how other professions work but for SWs it is seems like open season.
Good post! You make a great point about the money saved being used as a gift so you come out even anyway. I do understand the question though and the thinking behind it.
For some, it seems like a it's an unnecessary extra cost. Simple question - you go to buy a TV - cost is $1000. Do you pay more for it? Do you decline a discount? Same thing if you get a lawyer's bill. Do you question if it's correct and then hand over extra?
For me, the contradiction is the general idea of this being purely a business relationship. A gift (other than the simple things) seems very personal. So when I hear things like "place donation in envelope and leave on counter upon entry". "Don't stay past your time", etc. and anything else that is a reminder that it's business, I don't get it.
Like any job in life (especially ones where people get tips), ZERO people will decline free money and tips. So IMO, anyone on the receiving end will always enjoy freebies.
As for people giving tips, it really comes to:
1. If you have extra money you feel like giving
2. How much of a connection you have with that product or service.
3. If you feel bad for the person (pity pay)
As for #2, having sex with someone has a connection with some people. Even if it's just a one-off one hour session, some people will feel emotional and treat that as some kind of human contact/GF/BF material type of thing. So to keep it going and feel a sense of it still happening, you give gifts.... just like a married couple or BF/GF relationship
As for #3, typically the things you tip in life...... waiters, taxi drivers, SPs, etc..... are the kinds of jobs most people will feel some pity for. So you give a bit more to keep them happy.
On the other hand, someone working at the mall making minimum wage being Al Bundy selling shoes isn't accustomed to getting tips. Even if the person slaves away all day with stack of shoes, people's smelly feet and going back and forth to the stock room and back for picky shoe buyers, they get zero tips.
A crappy job, but when compared to a waiter, taxi driver or SP who can deal with more demanding customers and have a job portrayed as low on ladder of success, people can give tips to prop up their spirits to show that their service is still needed and valued.
So why doesn't Al Bundy get tips? Or why the person working the counter at 7-11 get tips? Probably because those menial jobs are more clean cut and don't involve getting dirty with food with yelling kids, stuffy taxis in hot weather, and clients who act like pigs.
It is annoying on twitter when the escort is begging or showboating but when the client gifts because he or she wants to, I don't see anything wrong with it. I don't do it personally although I have tipped if the fee was under the normal fee and the lady was stellar.
For me, I have never gifted on a first encounter. Sometimes that first encounter does not lead to a second. Alternatively, there is sometimes a chemistry that does lead to further and possibly multiple meetings. For me, if that chemistry is there, and during our time together we discuss something that we might both enjoy "next time", I might oblige to make that next encounter unique. Sometimes I have a clothing request that the lady can't fulfill, but wishes they could. I make no secret that I am a "leg guy", and have more than once brought stockings and / or shoes or boots on a subsequent occasion for my host. Of course this isn't at random, it's a result of the connection we had in the past. It puts a smile on my face when sometime down the road, the provider puts up new photos wearing what I had brought to her. In future meetings when I show up, they will often be wearing those things without me even having to remind her.
It's a "win - win", and has been previously stated here..."because I can".
It's a "win - win", and has been previously stated here..."because I can".
I find the men who do this fall into one of three categories, and even they don't always know which one they are:
1) It's simply a kind act.
Nothing wrong with this. Some people just want to brighten another's day. I've done this on rare occasions, and a couple times with a receptionist at an MP.
2) It's part of the fantasy, and both know it.
Nothing really wrong with this either, with a caveat. If you want to play as if having a relationship with an SP, it should be an equitable arrangement. Splurging on her without being compensated is just allowing yourself to be exploited. However, if it's a fair exchange, why not? Maybe she sees you off the clock in exchange. Maybe she texts with you after hours. Maybe she sends your flirty pics. It doesn't really matter so long as it's a fair exchange.
3) He thinks it's something more.
Obviously this is dangerous for both people. The guy can be taken for a serious financial and emotional ride, and he may get extremely angry and volatile when he finally clues in. This happens more than you would think. Both clients and SPs should avoid these arrangements like the plague. Unfortunately, SPs can be motivated by financial gain and willfully take advantage of the guys in this group, which is a dangerous game. And the guys who are in this group tend to be socially isolated and willfully ignore reality for a moment of something they usually can't get. It's just sad all around. Don't be in this group.
When it comes to wish lists, I find them distasteful. You either know a person well and so don't need a wish list to give them a meaningful gift, or you don't know them well enough and should get them something generic befitting your relationship with them. The recipient shouldn't be dictating what you gift them. That's not specific to the hobby; I apply that to any gift-giving.
1) It's simply a kind act.
Nothing wrong with this. Some people just want to brighten another's day. I've done this on rare occasions, and a couple times with a receptionist at an MP.
2) It's part of the fantasy, and both know it.
Nothing really wrong with this either, with a caveat. If you want to play as if having a relationship with an SP, it should be an equitable arrangement. Splurging on her without being compensated is just allowing yourself to be exploited. However, if it's a fair exchange, why not? Maybe she sees you off the clock in exchange. Maybe she texts with you after hours. Maybe she sends your flirty pics. It doesn't really matter so long as it's a fair exchange.
3) He thinks it's something more.
Obviously this is dangerous for both people. The guy can be taken for a serious financial and emotional ride, and he may get extremely angry and volatile when he finally clues in. This happens more than you would think. Both clients and SPs should avoid these arrangements like the plague. Unfortunately, SPs can be motivated by financial gain and willfully take advantage of the guys in this group, which is a dangerous game. And the guys who are in this group tend to be socially isolated and willfully ignore reality for a moment of something they usually can't get. It's just sad all around. Don't be in this group.
When it comes to wish lists, I find them distasteful. You either know a person well and so don't need a wish list to give them a meaningful gift, or you don't know them well enough and should get them something generic befitting your relationship with them. The recipient shouldn't be dictating what you gift them. That's not specific to the hobby; I apply that to any gift-giving.
I made this thread to ask so I can get a better understanding of the thought process behind clients patronizing SPs. I’m still new. You saying “because I can” does not validate it being a deductive reason as to why you buy gifts to SPs
I can understand your point of view but I think you are influenced by the relationships with the ladies you see too... being nothing but business. Not everyone's experiences are like that. I assume there are guys here that have solid 6 digit and even 7 digit salaries so a gift is easy for them and maybe are looking for preferential treatment. I don't have that kind of income but I have brought gifts a couple times. They were very modest gifts but I did spend time on them and gave them some thought. My motivation was not trying to win favour or make a statement, but simply because I wanted to and I hoped she'd appreciate the thought. At the root of it it's just a reminder to her of my appreciation, as in I appreciate who she is, what she does, and for making me feel like it's more than a provider/client arrangement. I wont ever be able to gift her a Louis, or a Porsche, or a tropical island, but I do what I can.
I've given small gifts to my ATF before, I've been seeing her for about 5 years now so I see it as a sign of appreciation for the years of good service she has given me. She also gives me small gifts around Christmas or my birthday so it kind of evens out, heck this year she got me valentine's day chocolates which I thought was a nice touch. I think it just depends on what kind of relationship you have with that particular provider.
