so you "fully agree" with convicting people of crimes thru the media without any proof or trial? sad....
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Of course I don't think that... you just made that up, just like fake rape victim could do if they wanted to. I do think people who are accused of a crime should be tried in court and punished if proven guilty. If they are guilty and somehow get off, that is a drag, but you have to have a fair justice system. I bet you love the President of the Philipines.
Of course I’ll make up things you believe if you’re making silly assumptions about me. Fair play.
I bet you worship eels.
So for you guys out here, pick one.
Would you want to be the girl who was actually raped or the guy who was falsely accused?
We keep hearing that there are victims on both sides. For women, they are the victim of a physical sexual assault. For guys, they are the victims of false accusations.
So which would you prefer, assuming you have to choose one.
I know if I had to be murdered, I would prefer one bullet to the head over being stabbed repeatedly.
So out of curiosity, would you rather be the man or the woman victim in these situations?
Would you want to be the girl who was actually raped or the guy who was falsely accused?
We keep hearing that there are victims on both sides. For women, they are the victim of a physical sexual assault. For guys, they are the victims of false accusations.
So which would you prefer, assuming you have to choose one.
I know if I had to be murdered, I would prefer one bullet to the head over being stabbed repeatedly.
So out of curiosity, would you rather be the man or the woman victim in these situations?
What purpose does this strange hypothetical question serve?
I'll oblige you just for kicks. In your analogy, the bullet to the head is the rape victim and the person being repeatedly stabbed is the falsely accused. The rape is a one-off occurrence, but the false rape charge sticks, scars, and destroys for life.
In other words, your answer to your own question is that you'd rather be the rape victim. I agree with you. A cock in a pussy is a lot less traumatic than being falsely accused. Heck, some women even fantasize about it.
For the record for others - neither is good. I get that. The options purposely suck. That is the point. I am curious as to what {non-trolling} people think of both shitty situations.
Is there more victimization to one or other? Is there a difference?
I am curious about the opinions.
You think the shot in the head is equal to the rape victim. Others who have actually been raped may think the opposite. Just because a rape usually happens once, doesn't mean they are not left with scars and a destroyed life.
A pretty narrow-minded opinion of victimization if you ask me, but then that is part of the problem isn't it. You have no idea what it is like to be raped, yet you like to preach about how victims feel and should behave. Maybe stick to what you know.
Is there more victimization to one or other? Is there a difference?
I am curious about the opinions.
I didn't answer my own question. You, of course, avoided it, but I am not interested in your opinion personally. I think you are pretty troll-ish so that is why, but I will continue for the sake of the thread.
You think the shot in the head is equal to the rape victim. Others who have actually been raped may think the opposite. Just because a rape usually happens once, doesn't mean they are not left with scars and a destroyed life.
A pretty narrow-minded opinion of victimization if you ask me, but then that is part of the problem isn't it. You have no idea what it is like to be raped, yet you like to preach about how victims feel and should behave. Maybe stick to what you know.
No, I don't think a shot in the head is EQUAL to the rape victim. It is only "equal" to the rape victim in the ANALOGY that YOU proposed.
For the record, your question is dumb. Maybe you ought to stop trolling.
My answer is due legal process, which means women who are raped should be able to prosecute the rapist. And men who are falsely accused should be able to clear them name and countersue for false defamation.
In a civilized society, we have to abide by the laws of the land. Margaret Atwood commented in the G&M recently that feminist right are human rights. #Metoo should not become a witch-hunt (like McCarthyism), everyone has the right to due legal process, not to be accused and persecuted in social media.
In a civilized society, we have to abide by the laws of the land. Margaret Atwood commented in the G&M recently that feminist right are human rights. #Metoo should not become a witch-hunt (like McCarthyism), everyone has the right to due legal process, not to be accused and persecuted in social media.
I didn't post an analogy. I posted an example of choosing between two shitty scenarios. Not antiquating one for the other.
However, I admit that I am at fault for not putting you on ignore many many moons ago. Considering my opinion of you and your posts.
That has now been corrected, thanks.
Interesting take, but it has some flaws since the law itself is flawed. Flawed for both sides, I agree.
I was looking for a direct answer, but very interesting POV, thank you.
Opinions aren’t ads. We should welcome rape perspectives from those who understand the life long scars victims often have.
Poor Cazzelino, can't comprehend when he's pissing against the wind. If I were a wizard, I'd transform him into Magic Mike.
I want to be respectful of the feelings behind a post like this, but must point out it's a false choice. No one ever chooses to be raped or falsely accused, so the question is really irrelevant. Isn't the discussion really about how as a society we wish to assess, charge and prosecute such things?
In regard to the original post, while I wholeheartedly agree with Ms. Deneuve's sentiments, they also naively miss the mark. The statement made by Ms. Deneuve's group appealed to reason and rationality. But the split here is between a side that believes in the old notions of individual rights, and reason...and a new side that believes identity politics and "feelings" should rule the future.
#Metoo-ism and "believe women" are only the latest iterations of identity politics, which say the group to which you belong stamps you with an intersectional degree of authority (or if you are a white male), lack of it. So if you're a man, you essentially don't have a voice in this discussion as far as these folks are concerned. Your "lived experience" just doesn't count.
See - that is the point. We are suppose to be having discussion about all of it. Yet we are not.
Because with it becoming so overwhelming for everyone, it is turning into a man vrs woman thing. A rape vrs false accusation thing. An impossible scenario thing. Hence my "impossible" question.
Everyone is affected by sexual assault, sexual harassment, false accusations, etc. Both men and women. Young, old, poor, rich, any race, any religion, etc.
This very board has turned its direction of the conversation to a man vs woman thing. A real vrs false thing. There is so much discussion about false accusations on this board. There is maybe 10% of discussion on sexual assault. In all these threads, it is the same thing....
"If he did ...... then he is an asshole/douche bag, etc but....." then 3-4 paragraphs of how hard it is for men with false accusations. 1 line vs 4 paragraphs.
And that narrative is then the opposite on the other side of the coin. I won't dismiss that very real fact either.
Point is, we as a society need to start changing the narrative of the discussion instead of it being such a focus of "vrs" because all that does is continue to divide us and nothing gets done with people being divided.
I agree that it is not helpful to see this as a man vs woman thing...I just didn't (and don't) see how your question furthered the discussion we both seem to want to have.
There's definitely a problem when it comes to enforcing laws around sexual assault. On the one hand, victims are reluctant to come forward because it's an awful experience and on the other you have groups saying women should "just be believed" as this will encourage more to come forward. But what about evidence and presumption of innocence etc? We have to find away of prosecuting sexual assault without throwing out these pillars of our legal system.
Some very thoughtful comments (excluding the trolls).
Rather than thinking of this as who is right, men vs women, rapist vs false accusers, black and white, there is a significant grey area in sexual politics. Take away the clear ends of the spectrum of rape or falsely accusing a man after a bad date, then it's often a he said/she said of what happens behind closed doors.
If it becomes a he said, THEY said (many ladies who come forward) with the same behavioural pattern behind closed door then obviously that's a clear sign as well.
That's why the TimesUp legal defence fund is such a great idea. Often the ladies have been shutdown by the powerful men who had more legal and financial resources to pay them off with hush money. Now, there is a legal fund that can go after such serial perpetrators. It levels the playing field, so to speak.
Yet, even with this legal fund, if they squander it on a bunch of frivolous false accusations, this #MeToo movement will not be sustainable.
Rather than thinking of this as who is right, men vs women, rapist vs false accusers, black and white, there is a significant grey area in sexual politics. Take away the clear ends of the spectrum of rape or falsely accusing a man after a bad date, then it's often a he said/she said of what happens behind closed doors.
If it becomes a he said, THEY said (many ladies who come forward) with the same behavioural pattern behind closed door then obviously that's a clear sign as well.
That's why the TimesUp legal defence fund is such a great idea. Often the ladies have been shutdown by the powerful men who had more legal and financial resources to pay them off with hush money. Now, there is a legal fund that can go after such serial perpetrators. It levels the playing field, so to speak.
Yet, even with this legal fund, if they squander it on a bunch of frivolous false accusations, this #MeToo movement will not be sustainable.
Very well said. Our legal system has a very high bar for the burden of proof; presumed innocent until proven guilty. And what happens behind closed doors between two people, is often very hard to prove, without physical evidence.
Some women, like in the cases of Aziz Ansari and James Franco, come forward in the hopes that others will come forward with a similar corroborating story. Obviously easier to do now in the age of social media, than in the olden days.
I prefer to hear both sides of the story, but that's just incredibly sensitive ME (haha), but most people judge based on the one side of the story that they want to hear.
Because you understand the discussion needed. For those who only see one side, it brings about forced discussion for the other side. I may have used the wrong question, but you understood the point regardless.
I will agree that a lot of women have no idea what it is like for a man to be falsely accused. Those who do it, think of it as a one-time thing. They say it and then it is over for them. But for the man, it is life lasting.
I will also say that many men have no idea what it is like to be raped or sexually assaulted or even sexually harassed. A lot of men see it as a one-off thing as well, and yet, it too is life lasting.
Personally, I think harsher consequences for false accusations is a start. Along with proper police training, open discussion, access to counselling and a few other things.
I completely agree that a new standard for social media/news media needs to found because what we have now is not working.
