It's funny how government dictates employment and wage laws, when government is the one who wastes money the most. I don't understand why government just doesn't pay low wage earners some extra money. Government seems to have bottomless pockets, so why not dish out some more funds and add to a deficit which never seems to be a focus anyway?
Tim Hortons Locations Owned By Founders' Kids Reduce Employee Benefits/Breaks
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Factor in that to own a franchise costs 500K that you may be tying to pay off as well and then you have trouble feeding your own family.
The outrage spurred by Wynne is that Joyce Sr is a billionaire and therefore Jr and Horton's daughter are filthy rich as well. That is not the case. Joyce is a weasel or a pure businessman and blood means nothing to him. Joyce screwed Lori Horton when he bought her out while she was alcoholic prescription drug abuser. I am sure Jr is on his own.
I feel there is no hope.
And the clueless-ness of it all.
I mean, what did they think would happen?
I never thought Canada would have a permanent underclass. Yet, we are going full speed at that direction.
I think there is one thing that will always be an overhanging issue that can keep people down in the dumps. And this hurts lower paid people the most.....
..... the utmost craving in western society to be always spending and going into debt. So even if the min wage is $15/hr for everyone, and magically there is no effect anywhere else.... no employee cut backs, no price increases, nothing...... the issue is anyone in these low wages will have trouble since they have little money to start with and just about everyone seems to blow their money on pricey shit like cellphones, tv/internet etc..... anyway.
In other countries, when people don't have a lot of money, they live with it. To us, it looks like scummy neighbourhoods, but at least they probably don't have debt at 22% interest. Cash payments over huge credit card bills. If someone can't afford an iPhone or Samsung with a $60/mth bill, they don't buy it.
For the record. Apparently the franchisee did request to raise prices and lower other costs to account for the new laws and were turned down. This has leaked(saw it on the cbc app) despite a harsh no communication directive from head office.
So blame the head office and not the stores
So blame the head office and not the stores
The new owner of Tim Hortons (burger king) is all about pricing. Very very American. For example it has been pointed out that even their advertising has changed. Tim's commercials used to be all about tugging on the heart strings, portraits of the connection between being Canadian and Tim Hortons. You had hockey and Tim's, you had winter and Tim's, you had the new Canadian immigrants being welcomed at the airport by Uncle Habib with cups of coffee from Tim's. Now it's all about pricing. Cold really. Very Applebee's (2 appetizers for $5.99 (how do they do it?)). Just yesterday I saw a commercial for 2 breakfast sandwiches for 5 bucks at Tim's. I can't ever recall such a promotion at Tim's before like that. Normally one breakfast sandwich at Tim's is 4 and change. Now it's 2 for 5 bucks?
My point is that Tim's is all American now (despite ultimately being owned out of Brazil, they are run by American Burger King) and Americans think that it's all about pricing and head office isn't going to let them raise prices to account for the stupidity of our socialist premier.
It's funny but in all of this leftist madness, I've been thinking of the debacle that was Target in Canada.
Target failed spectacularly in Canada as we all know.
One of the big arguments you heard from Canadians was that it (Target) was way more expensive than the USA and therefore Canadians felt they were being ripped off. What dumbass Canadians who say that don't realize is that everything costs far more in Canada over the entire supply chain. And the reason was high taxes, high minimum wages (Michigan was 7 and change at the time, vs 11 in Ontario), and burdensome labour laws.
So throughout the entire Target thing you had droves of dumbass Canadians who thought themselves rebels and cross boarder shopped at Target in the USA rather than pay the Canadian price at Target Canada.
Now imagine a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage.
What does that do for investment in the province?
Target failed spectacularly in Canada as we all know.
One of the big arguments you heard from Canadians was that it (Target) was way more expensive than the USA and therefore Canadians felt they were being ripped off. What dumbass Canadians who say that don't realize is that everything costs far more in Canada over the entire supply chain. And the reason was high taxes, high minimum wages (Michigan was 7 and change at the time, vs 11 in Ontario), and burdensome labour laws.
So throughout the entire Target thing you had droves of dumbass Canadians who thought themselves rebels and cross boarder shopped at Target in the USA rather than pay the Canadian price at Target Canada.
Now imagine a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage.
What does that do for investment in the province?
In December, Liberal MPP Ann Hoggarth said that businesses can't figure out how to absorb the minimum-wage hike should reassess whether they should be in business.
“If you’re going to go out of business on the backs of your employees because you can’t afford to pay them this, perhaps you should reassess your business plan and whether you should be an employer,” the Barrie Advance reported Hoggarth saying. “This is the right thing to do.”
http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/wallace-wynne-only-bully-in-fight-with-tim-hortons
Presumably, this is the type of expert advice that guided Premier Kathleen Wynne's decision. So I thought it would be worthwhile to check out Ms. Hoggarth's bio, to learn more about her background in business.
As it turns out, she is a former elementary school teacher and union leader.
http://annhoggarth.onmpp.ca/Biography?l=EN
Some expert.
“If you’re going to go out of business on the backs of your employees because you can’t afford to pay them this, perhaps you should reassess your business plan and whether you should be an employer,” the Barrie Advance reported Hoggarth saying. “This is the right thing to do.”
http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/wallace-wynne-only-bully-in-fight-with-tim-hortons
Presumably, this is the type of expert advice that guided Premier Kathleen Wynne's decision. So I thought it would be worthwhile to check out Ms. Hoggarth's bio, to learn more about her background in business.
As it turns out, she is a former elementary school teacher and union leader.
http://annhoggarth.onmpp.ca/Biography?l=EN
Some expert.
The big problem in all of this lunacy is that even if the Conservatives are elected in the spring, it will be next to impossible to role back these changes, at least with respect to the minimum wage.
Patrick Brown would be a fool to campaign on rolling back the minimum wage. He would be decimated like Hudak was when he (foolishly) campaigned on axing 100,000 government workers.
The best the Conservatives could do would be to hold the line on any further increases during their mandate, assuming that they win and defeat the lunatic in there now.
Once in power, the cons should be able to rework the new severe left labour laws that were also brought in such as increasing the power of unions to organize. The powers that unions had even prior to these new labour laws were criminal. Now they are even worse.
Patrick Brown would be a fool to campaign on rolling back the minimum wage. He would be decimated like Hudak was when he (foolishly) campaigned on axing 100,000 government workers.
The best the Conservatives could do would be to hold the line on any further increases during their mandate, assuming that they win and defeat the lunatic in there now.
Once in power, the cons should be able to rework the new severe left labour laws that were also brought in such as increasing the power of unions to organize. The powers that unions had even prior to these new labour laws were criminal. Now they are even worse.
Patrick Brown has pledged to delay the hike to $15 an hour until 2022.
http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/15-an-hour-minimum-wage-not-so-fast-tories-say
http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/15-an-hour-minimum-wage-not-so-fast-tories-say
It certainly means selling a lot more coffee. At $2/coffee that works out to having to sell 82 more coffees per day.
Never mind the licensing and franchise fees that have to be paid annually.
God forbid that we want to pay someone a liveable (even this is debatable whether it's liveable) wage. I wonder how many people complaining about the minimum wage actually makes more than $14 an hour? Probably everyone.
Who knows maybe now the employees at Timmies can afford to buy a coffee once in a while? We will have to wait and see how this shakes out but you know the people making minimum wage will be spending any increase they receive in the economy. I'm sure Ontario economy will survive.
Who knows maybe now the employees at Timmies can afford to buy a coffee once in a while? We will have to wait and see how this shakes out but you know the people making minimum wage will be spending any increase they receive in the economy. I'm sure Ontario economy will survive.
Sunset Grill employees say chain is punishing them for Ontario’s minimum wage hike
https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article...punishing-them-for-ontarios-minimum-wage-hike
for years restaurant chains lobby to keep their minimum wage lower than the official so they can pass labor costs to costumers. recently one say customers should pay their employees a livable wage
They have done nothing wrong. They provided perks to their employees. The loser Wynne increase the minimum wage, they can't afford the perks and cancel them.
Wynne didn't think this one through. There are going to be job loses in Ontario, small business will suffer and unemployment will go up.
Way to go Wynne, typical of the bleeding heart liberals.
Wynne didn't think this one through. There are going to be job loses in Ontario, small business will suffer and unemployment will go up.
Way to go Wynne, typical of the bleeding heart liberals.
Thanks but I was actually interested in seeing the full financials. You've provided an important piece which is basically an estimated $60,000/year in additional costs. But I would like to see sales, cost of goods, etc. too to see. $60,000 on a company that pulls in $1,000,000 is fairly big (6%). For a company bringing in $3,000,000, it's only 2%, and so on. Now, if you were to raise the price of coffee by say $0.10, how much additional revenue would that generate - I think we can agree that $0.10 doesn't break anybody's bank that much who's buying Tim's coffee.
My point is that there are plenty of ways to offset the increase in labor wages. Granted in some cases it my be reducing the number of employees and getting everyone to work a little harder to accomplish the same tasks. Or you cut costs in other areas, drive up revenues in some way.
And I am definitely not a fan of Kathleen Wynne. But I have to say I am in total agreement with wage increases that allow people to work full-time and not still be living in poverty. Simple rule of thumb - take an hourly wage, double it and multiply by 1000 and you'll get the approximate yearly earnings. So $10/hour means you earn approximately $20,000 pretax. $14/hour = $28,000 pretax. I think you give people a much better chance with the latter.
What I personally don't like to see are low-skill jobs that start out at minimum wage and the person continues that job for many years so they are paid more. Train/educate said person so they move up the ladder (not always possible) and keep these jobs for students and young people who probably don't need to be earning the big bucks at that stage in their lives.
It is sad that Canadian Press/Huffington Post/Beaverton chose to single out Jeri Horton-Joyce and her husband almost if not entirely based upon who their parents are, and to not address any of issues this thread has mentioned.
For those who have the time....this is an interesting read.
It speaks to a lot of the concerns raised in this forum.
http://www.livingwork.ca/?p=576
It speaks to a lot of the concerns raised in this forum.
http://www.livingwork.ca/?p=576
