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Turns out Bannon was the real cancer in the White House

Insidious Von

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Agreed. A shame it went this way.
Tisk, tisk, tisk, Bannon is a fascist. I would think his downfall is cause for relief. It's far from over, the only person Trump listens to is Putin.

The Russians are very happy, they wanted to bring American democracy down to their level. They have succeeded beyond all expectation.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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There were never posts about how Obama was a moron, an 11 year old child or any of the myriad comments on Trump we've seen
Obama was seen as a weak, beta-male wimp. Thats just as bad (if not worse).
See here: http://www.lonelyconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Obama-Wimp-Throws-Like-a-Girl.jpg


Assuming that article is even true, do you honestly think she means that in a mean-spirited way??
I used to poke a little fun at my dad's comb-over, but it wasnt in a malicious way.

I'm not surprised you dont get that though
 

Phil C. McNasty

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But Trump called him a Great Guy, a Fine Man, A Smart Man. Well if this source that Trump called a honest news media post this, then I will believe Trump as far as this particular article is concerned:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...hner-manaforts-greasy-money-laundering-deals/
Yes, because nothing screams credibility more then a former, disgruntled employee.

If Bannon was so sure there was money-laundering going on in the Trump circle, why didnt he notify the FBI while he was still working for Trump??
 

mandrill

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Poor Trump, now he had to write a cease and desist order for Bannon.
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-bannon-report

Can dish it out but can't take it.

From a dem on the senate intel committee:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...rd-evidence-of-crimes-by-trump-administration
The cease and desist letter from his lawyers accuses Bannon of breaching a non disclosure agreement and also of libel. If Trump proceeds along this course, we are going to get a "dirty laundry" slander lawsuit the likes of which America has not heretofore seen - ever. Bannon will defend himself by saying all this dirt on the WH is true and told in the public interest. Trump will try and hush it up and argue that Bannon is a lying pos. It's likely that some of Bannon's dirt will stick to Trump. In any event, the lawsuit would be front page news - along with the Mueller investigation - throughout 2018 and into 2019.

This is another blow to the already-frail credibility of the presidency and the only potential winner is Bannon, whose 15 minutes will drag on another few months. Bannon is the ultimate emperor with no clothes. He appears to be a dim-witted, disruptive and egomaniac bully whose empire is built on Breitbart - a news source of low repute and little credibility - and the Mercers' $$$$$$$. At a certain point, the Mercers are likely to drop him and cut a private deal with the Koch's to both "share" the GOP and its politicians. And Breitbart won't live forever on the gullibility of its core followers.
 

Frankfooter

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The cease and desist letter from his lawyers accuses Bannon of breaching a non disclosure agreement and also of libel. If Trump proceeds along this course, we are going to get a "dirty laundry" slander lawsuit the likes of which America has not heretofore seen - ever. Bannon will defend himself by saying all this dirt on the WH is true and told in the public interest. Trump will try and hush it up and argue that Bannon is a lying pos. It's likely that some of Bannon's dirt will stick to Trump. In any event, the lawsuit would be front page news - along with the Mueller investigation - throughout 2018 and into 2019.

This is another blow to the already-frail credibility of the presidency and the only potential winner is Bannon, whose 15 minutes will drag on another few months. Bannon is the ultimate emperor with no clothes. He appears to be a dim-witted, disruptive and egomaniac bully whose empire is built on Breitbart - a news source of low repute and little credibility - and the Mercers' $$$$$$$. At a certain point, the Mercers are likely to drop him and cut a private deal with the Koch's to both "share" the GOP and its politicians. And Breitbart won't live forever on the gullibility of its core followers.
Trump is going all in, it appears.
Sounds like he's going to try to stop the book from being published.
That should do wonders for sales.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-stop-publication-of-explosive-book-about-his
 

oldjones

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It did? Gosh to think that I supposedly don't remember how I felt not even a year and a half ago.
And I don't remember you breathing a word of your disparaging and dismissive assessment of that trusted advisor to the Campaign and valued confidante of the PotUS back then. Memory betrays us all, it seems.

Even Donny, who now seems to be claiming he always felt much the same as you.

On similar lines, one wonders about the simple common sense of giving the author Michael Wolff the specially authorized access he enjoyed at the West Wing without extracting some sort of editorial approval. To be reduced to begging for court ordered suppression of publication (I think there's stuff in the Constitution about that) eighteen months later doesn't make his team look any more competent than he apparently painted them.
 

mandrill

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The cease and desist letter from his lawyers accuses Bannon of breaching a non disclosure agreement and also of libel.
As you and I both know more of a shot across Bannon's bow.

A leopard doesn't change it's spots and this has been part of the President's business strategy for decades.
 

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And now suddenly Bannon supports Trump again: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/04/politics/steve-bannon-trump-cease-and-desist/index.html

Dude, make up your mind
It needs to be kept in mind that presuming that the book is entirely truthful, which I believe is an open question, that it is a snap shot of the first six months of the Trump West Wing before General Kelly took over as White House Chief of Staff.

A further six months have passed and the Stephen Bannon of February - May of last year who gave an new meaning to arrogant, may, and I stress may have been cut a bit back down to size over the past month and now regret having spoken as such a loose cannon.

Still find him a bloviating jerk, but this is a possible explanation for what we hear.
 

mandrill

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It needs to be kept in mind that presuming that the book is entirely truthful, which I believe is an open question, that it is a snap shot of the first six months of the Trump West Wing before General Kelly took over as White House Chief of Staff.

A further six months have passed and the Stephen Bannon of February - May of last year who gave an new meaning to arrogant, may, and I stress may have been cut a bit back down to size over the past month and now regret having spoken as such a loose cannon.

Still find him a bloviating jerk, but this is a possible explanation for what we hear.
I read through the excerpt that was made available as a teaser and the book will wreck much of the administration's remaining credibility. There are comments about Trump's personality - and indeed Ivanka's and Jarrod's - that make them appear to be buffoons and fools.

Most people will conclude that sort of idiocy doesn't change during a 6 month interlude - General Kelly or not.
 

mandrill

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As you and I both know more of a shot across Bannon's bow.

A leopard doesn't change it's spots and this has been part of the President's business strategy for decades.
Agreed. But I am open to being advised on whether that non disclosure contract is enforceable under US law.
 

Aardvark154

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Agreed. But I am open to being advised on whether that non disclosure contract is enforceable under US law.
Absolutely they are enforceable, but your real question is do I think that the President would be successful in this case and as to that I honestly have to say it is an open question.


I also have to wonder if even Bannon's "supporters" would follow him into a fight with the President of the United States. Bannon has very badly blotted his copy book with the Administration.

Further, even for those who dislike the President, I have to believe that there are more who dislike public back stabbing on the part of so called friends.
 

mandrill

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Absolutely they are enforceable, but your real question is do I think that the President would be successful in this case and as to that I honestly have to say it is an open question.
I am going to guess that you are implying that Bannon will raise "public interest" as a counter argument?
 

Frankfooter

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Absolutely they are enforceable, but your real question is do I think that the President would be successful in this case and as to that I honestly have to say it is an open question.


I also have to wonder if even Bannon's "supporters" would follow him into a fight with the President of the United States. Bannon has very badly blotted his copy book with the Administration.

Further, even for those who dislike the President, I have to believe that there are more who dislike public back stabbing on the part of so called friends.
You'd also have to prove that the comments were made public by Bannon and not someone else in the room.
Good luck on that point.
 

Aardvark154

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I am going to guess that you are implying that Bannon will raise "public interest" as a counter argument?
Oh, I agree with you that it is likely that he would use that as a defense. However, I would place my money on Bannon backing off.

These interviews, overhead conversations or whatever one calls them were back when Steve Bannon harboured the delusion that he was a co-captain with the President of the Ship of State. I'm willing to bet he had forgotten that he'd used some of the phrasing he did, he was already in the dog house with the President over the Roy Moore fiasco, and then this comes out. Even for a man as stubborn and egotistical as Steve Bannon I think the President's statements and actions over the past two days would make you want to lay low.
 

Aardvark154

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You'd also have to prove that the comments were made public by Bannon and not someone else in the room. Good luck on that point.
That isn't the only problem.

Then again on the other side of the fence weighing as to the veracity of the attribution is that Bannon did not particularly after the President let loose, say 'but I didn't say that!' Then again as posted above I suspect that Steve Bannon really hopes this all goes away.
 

toguy5252

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Agreed. But I am open to being advised on whether that non disclosure contract is enforceable under US law.
Generally speaking they are. the bigger issue here may be what NDA there was. he may have had one with the campaign but following the election he became an employee of the US government. It is not typical that employees would signs NDA's other than with respect to classified materials etc. That doe not mean that there was not one here. I do not know. There are also all kinds of whistle blower laws which may or may not apply.
 

toguy5252

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That isn't the only problem.

Then again on the other side of the fence weighing as to the veracity of the attribution is that Bannon did not particularly after the President let loose, say 'but I didn't say that!' Then again as posted above I suspect that Steve Bannon really hopes this all goes away.
Hard ti imagine Trump actually suing and exposing himself and his family to discovery etc. It would for sure be the trial of the century.
 
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