Erdogan slams Israel as ‘terrorist state’ that ‘kills children’

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Israel won't get to the bottom of this,
Because the Palestinians refuse to allow them access to evidence.

Though I'd like to see more info on the last one, those arrests sure are justifiable (and far better than the Hamas modus operandi).

And damn right Shirley Temper got arrested. They even posted videos showing them assaulting a soldier (and it's not the first time; she's a professional agitator).
 

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...those arrests sure are justifiable ...

And damn right Shirley Temper got arrested. ....
They got arrested for protesting the settlements and the declaration, instead of negotiation, of control of land.
Seems to me that according to your terms, they are right to protest the settlements and shouldn't be arrested for that.
I officially and formally declare that I hereby call for an end to settlement building.
Just as they shouldn't be arrested for protesting against acts that are contrary to negotiations for peaceful settlements.
According to the UN, the border between Israel/Palestine will be negotiated based on the 1949 armistice lines
You are very hypocritical.
 

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They got arrested for...
They posted the videos themselves of them assaulting a soldier. In Canada that would be assault charges. In many countries including many Arab ones, that would result in them disappearing.

Too bad you are against peace and simply want Israel gone (as you showed in your post where you stated all of Israel was really occupied Palestinian land)..
 

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p.s. I see you still haven't commented on Turkey proudly hosting an actual ICC war criminal.
 

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That war criminal hosted by Turkey is waging genocidal campaigns against native blacks and persecuting Christians in his quest to islamize and Arabize the country
 

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That war criminal hosted by Turkey is waging genocidal campaigns against native blacks and persecuting Christians in his quest to islamize and Arabize the country
Two birds of a feather.
 

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They posted the videos themselves of them assaulting a soldier. .
The soldier shot her brother in the head and she slapped him.
Only in Israel does she then go to jail and the soldier goes free.

Just like with the trespassers you keep defending, who shot a Palestinian farmer on his field while trespassing. A Palestinian was arrested while the Israeli who killed the farmer is free.

That's some apartheid 'justice' system you've got there.

Here in Canada people are arrested for shooting people, even cops.

In Israel?
http://www.btselem.org/video/20171211_killing_of_muhammad_musa_near_a_nabi_salah#full

http://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/201609_whitewash_protocol

Time for the ICC to lay charges.
 

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The soldier shot her brother in the head
Bullshit.

She is a professional agitator with a long and well documented history of filming herself going after Israelis. In this case, she had people film her and her mom as they attacked a soldier.


p.s. how can you keep calling for the ICC when you refuse to criticize Turkey for hosting an ICC war criminal?
 

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Bullshit.

She is a professional agitator with a long and well documented history of filming herself going after Israelis. In this case, she had people film her and her mom as they attacked a soldier.
'Professional agitator'?

She's a 16 year old girl who's grown up under occupation and apartheid.
Check out the star story on her and the video of her as a young girl, can you imagine forcing a kid to grow up like that, constantly under threat of violence by heavily armed soldiers?
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...rley-temper-palestinians-call-her-a-hero.html

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Israeli Army parades a 16 year old Palestinian girl arrested from home in #NabiSaleh at 4 am this morning. Just when you thought the occupation couldn't get more grotesque.. https://twitter.com/news10/status/942997248727711744

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The outrage was stoked by Israelis, who claimed that the confrontation with the soldiers had been staged to generate sympathy and made no mention of the fact that the incident took place after an Israeli soldier shot Ahed’s 15-year-old cousin in the head with a rubber-coated metal bullet during a demonstration against the ongoing military occupation. The girl’s father, Bassem, told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz that his daughter, who will be 17 in January, was angry because her cousin Mohammed had been shot, and it was unclear at the time if he would survive. (Over the weekend, doctors removed the bullet from the boy’s skull and he was placed in a medically induced coma.)
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Israeli solider shoots a boy in the head and puts him in a coma. No charges

A Palestinian teen relative swats at an armed occupier after her cousin was shot in the head, Israel calls it a crime against humanity and arrests the whole family

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https://theintercept.com/2017/12/20...al-threat-posed-16-year-old-palestinian-girl/

Once again, Israelis shoot a Palestinian and all you can do is call for the arrest of a child who protested the killing.
Its a pattern, isn't it?
 

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'Professional agitator'?...
Yes, her whole family is. But you are right; it is disgusting that her family made her grow up like that.

And yes, her family posted the video of her assault. You try the same thing on a cop and see what happens to you.

But as usual, you are happy to justify attacks on Israelis and refuse to hold Palestinians (or Arabs) accountable for their actions.
 

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And I see that despite all your ICC talk, you refuse to criticize Turkey for hosting an ICC criminal.
 

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Yes, her whole family is. But you are right; it is disgusting that her family made her grow up like that.

And yes, her family posted the video of her assault. You try the same thing on a cop and see what happens to you.

But as usual, you are happy to justify attacks on Israelis and refuse to hold Palestinians (or Arabs) accountable for their actions.
As usual you blame a family living under brutal occupation for protesting the brutal occupation.
When the occupation shoots her brother in the head, you blame the family.

Al Jazeera notes that the photo of Tamimi is now one of the three iconic images of Palestinian resistance.
Along with a photo of another 16 year old being brutally arrested and a photo of the wheelchair bound protester that an Israeli sniper shot in the head.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/images-face-palestinian-resistance-171222075710846.html

You really know how to pick your causes.

2 more Palestinians killed today, these were protesters who were shot inside of Gaza by soldiers in no danger.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779674

Like this other Palestinian teen shot for putting his hand in his pocket.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.830643

The Palestinian reaction is to submit reports to the ICC from 4 more Palestinian human rights organizations, since Israel won't investigate themselves or arrest settlers who kill Palestinians.
http://pchrgaza.org/en/?p=10213
 

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Here's a good commentary from a Jewish peace supporter.
My feelings are a bit more complex these days. That narrative of Jewish liberation in Israel was and is being challenged for me each day, especially living here again. But the thing that breaks my heart most about this place is that I do still believe in Jewish liberation and resilience.

And yet I see the abuse and dehumanization of Palestinians by the State of Israel. I see the full-on assault on democratic principles. I see the constriction of the minds and hearts of so much of the Jewish public — in Israel and the Diaspora — that reduces all Palestinians to terrorists who deserve to be occupied, jailed, and executed, and reduces those of us who defend them to traitors. It feels like an affront to my history, our history, that I hold so dear. It feels like betrayal.

This week, in the middle of the night, Israeli soldiers burst into Tamimi family home in the West Bank village of Nabi Salah, and arrested 16-year-old Ahed. When her mom went to check on her at an Israeli police station, she too was arrested. Ahed is currently facing at least five more days of detention. Her 21-year-old cousin was also arrested, and her father is being investigated. All because she confronted Israeli soldiers outside her house.

Ahed has lived her entire life under occupation. Her entire life she has watched Jewish settlements expand around her village, encroaching on her community’s land. She has watched soldiers raid her home and harass her family, she has seen members of her village shot, including Mustafa, who was killed after being shot in the face with a tear gas canister, and Mohammed, who this week was shot in the face with a rubber bullet and was in a coma for several days. He is younger than Ahed.

Ahed has been resisting her entire life, fighting for her family and her home against a state and an army that want to crush their will and their power. I am sure much of her daily life also includes the simple joys and trivialities that I enjoyed when I was 16. I do not want to reduce her to a one-dimensional victim of her conditions, or a one-dimensional hero. But she also is both of those things. She is certainly a hero.

If I had a foreign occupier standing on my doorstep, I too would want to push them off. Had my friends and family been hurt by soldiers, they would see no compassion from me. If resisting a foreign military was my regular Friday activity at 16, getting some badass warrior princess action photos in the process would be essential. I also wanted to look hot and badass in my photos when I was 16. And I got to take those photos sitting on my driveway with no soldiers around to bother me.

I think back to my life when I was 16, and the power and freedom I felt from this place. Then I look at Ahed, the freedom and power this place wants to destroy, and I want to weep.

Looking at the images of Ahed in Ofer Military Court, I know we can never truly be free as long as we deny another people their freedom. I wonder what freedom actually means if it takes locking up people like Ahed to secure it.

Simone Zimmerman is an organizer and activist from Los Angeles and a founding leader of IfNotNow, a movement to end the American Jewish community’s support for the occupation. Twitter:
https://972mag.com/at-16-israel-promised-me-freedom-why-does-it-deny-it-to-ahed-tamimi/131765/
 

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So you agree, she's a Zionist then right??
I'd say she was and then she woke up and realized what that means to those that Israel brutally occupies.
Just as more and more Jewish people in Canada and North America are dropping support for Israel's actions.
http://ijvcanada.org/

You should back Canadian principles of equal rights and the rule of law and stop supporting Israeli apartheid as well.
 

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I'd say she was and then she woke up and realized what that means to those that Israel brutally occupies.
Just as more and more Jewish people in Canada and North America are dropping support for Israel's actions.
http://ijvcanada.org/

You should back Canadian principles of equal rights and the rule of law and stop supporting Israeli apartheid as wel.
I do back Canadian principles of equal rights, so we're on the same page there.

I still to this day cannot understand WHY you have so much of your time invested against Israel (and their apartheid policy).

WHY?????????????????

Oh, and before I forget, the Jews are right in wanting to keep those who want to kill them apart, its something you kinda do when they're out to kill you
 
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