Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, defying allies and foes

danmand

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You can keep dreaming about pushing the Jews into the sea of the one state solution but neither will ever happen. the sooner Palestinian leaders and people like you face the reality that Israel is here to stay and that BOTH sides will have to make hard choices and compromises instead of trying to sell a false and hopeless dream there may be some movement toward peace.
Firstly, I did not see anybody here wanting to push the Israelis (or all Jews) into the sea. Criticising Trump's or Netanyahu's policies does not make anybody an Anti-Semite.

Secondly, have a little respect for facts and acknowledge that the Oslo agreement was almost entirely about the Palestinians making concessions.
 

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You can keep dreaming about pushing the Jews into the sea of the one state solution but neither will ever happen. the sooner Palestinian leaders and people like you face the reality that Israel is here to stay and that BOTH sides will have to make hard choices and compromises instead of trying to sell a false and hopeless dream there may be some movement toward peace.
I love when the rabid pro Israeli crowd try to conflate arguing for equal rights with some form of ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Really highlights the ridiculousness of their stance.
Thanks.

Equal rights are Canadian values.
Don't you know?
 

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Firstly, I did not see anybody here wanting to push the Israelis (or all Jews) into the sea. Criticising Trump's or Netanyahu's policies does not make anybody an Anti-Semite.

Secondly, have a little respect for facts and acknowledge that the Oslo agreement was almost entirely about the Palestinians making concessions.
When posters deny the right of Isreal to exist yes that is tantamount to pushing the Jews into the sea. If you read my previous posts you will see that i was one of the first on this board to criticize the decision to move the embassy. Not everyone who criticizes Israel or its policies is an anti-semite but all ant-smites wish to delegitimizes Israel and its right to exist and many any-semites couch their antisemitism as anti Zionism.
 

toguy5252

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I love when the rabid pro Israeli crowd try to conflate arguing for equal rights with some form of ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Really highlights the ridiculousness of their stance.
Thanks.

Equal rights are Canadian values.
Don't you know?
And I love when the anti-Israel crown resorts to buzzwords and phrases like apartheid and ethnic cleansing etc when they have no real argument for denying the right of Isreal to exist.
 

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And I love when the anti-Israel crown resorts to buzzwords and phrases like apartheid and ethnic cleansing etc when they have no real argument for denying the right of Isreal to exist.
Buzzwords, reports and upcoming criminal trials.
I don't have a problem with Israel existing, only a problem with Israel ruling through apartheid.
 

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You have repeatedly declared Israel to be the Jewish state, that means that Palestinians are second class citizens. ....
So why don't you complain that the PA and many other Arab states define themselves as Muslim states?

Violence isn't an appropriate response in areas where the rule of law defends the rights of everyone. Sadly that isn't the case in Palestine
And more of your disgusting justification of violence against Jews.

Right, so the foreign trespassers had no right to 'self defence' when they killed the civilian Palestinian working on his land.
Not foreign, not trespassing. They were a bunch of kids attacked for being Jews walking in the wilderness, and yes, self defense does apply when you and the kids you are guiding are being attacked (for being Jews). I don't buy the self defense claim from the guy under Canadian law because he had the option of safely fleeing the attackers but the attackers that initiated the violence should be held to account as well.
 

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It seems to me to be a complete waste of time to focus on ‘who fired the first shot’ at this point.

It’s been over 100 years since the Balfour Declaration......
True. And everyone knows what the solution should be.

If Trump needed to make a statement then it should have been something about Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel and will be the capital of a future Palestinian state.
 

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That is an over simplification. There are many different opinions of what happened and you are just expressing the one from the strongest protagonist.
Sorry but facts are facts. Some people like Franky believe legal immigrants buying homes is "violence" and justifies attacks but that is Klan thinking.

The Palestinian attacks on indigenous Jewish communities in 1919 and 1929 are well documented. The Palestinian rejection of the Peel Commission plan and the UN Partition are well documented. To this day, Hamas and Fatah's armed wing still reject the idea of Israel's existence and continue to endorse violence
 

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If you go to a nation that is oppressing millions to show solidarity with its cause, and you end up dead, then that is just karma.
Thanks for clearly supporting the intentional murder of civilians. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
 

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Firstly, I did not see anybody here wanting to push the Israelis (or all Jews) into the sea. ....
...Other than the Hamas guys you keep supporting.

Secondly, have a little respect for facts and acknowledge that the Oslo agreement was almost entirely about the Palestinians making concessions.
Sadly the concession they refuse to make is accepting Israel will exist.
 

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And I love when the anti-Israel crown resorts to buzzwords and phrases like apartheid and ethnic cleansing etc when they have no real argument for denying the right of Isreal to exist.
The only ethnic cleansing in the conflict was when Jordan and the Palestinians forced every single Jews out of the territory they controlled, even the ancient Jewish community in the Old City of Jerusalem.
 

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Why is this surprising to anyone who’s paying attention?

This was one of his campaign promises and like him or loathe him he is trying to fulfill his promises.
Indeed.

Trump wasn't the first candidate to make this commitment -- presidential candidates have been pledging to do this for years, including Jimmy Carter back in 1976. The only real difference here is that Trump has kept his promise.

Bret Stephens in the New York Times had an excellent article explaining why this was the right thing to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/opinion/jerusalem-denial-complex.html
 

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When posters deny the right of Isreal to exist yes that is tantamount to pushing the Jews into the sea.
I will agree with you on that point. (although I don't know what sea the American Jews would be pushed into.)
If you read my previous posts you will see that i was one of the first on this board to criticize the decision to move the embassy. Not everyone who criticizes Israel or its policies is an anti-semite but all ant-smites wish to delegitimizes Israel and its right to exist and many any-semites couch their antisemitism as anti Zionism.
My Jewish friend pointed me to this little book by Amos OZ, which I think is a fairly rational view of the Palestinian/Israeli problem: How to Cure a Fanatic (2006) ISBN**978-0-691-12669-2
 

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True. And everyone knows what the solution should be.

If Trump needed to make a statement then it should have been something about Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel and will be the capital of a future Palestinian state.
I wouldn’t have put it past the guy.

I kind of suspect that kind of gesture would have enraged Israel, who I don’t see giving away East Jerusalem without getting something in return (other than peace). I couldn’t see Trump turning his back on his Jewish-American friends, backers and to a lesser extent, supporters.

That said, maybe he’ll get a deal with some kind of wacky one-state solution. If (all of) Jerusalem is truly off the table, I don’t see a two-state solution being a remote possibility.

One-state solution = :flypig:
 

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I kind of suspect that kind of gesture would have enraged Israel, who I don’t see giving away East Jerusalem without getting something in return (other than peace). ...
Olmert did offer a two state peace with a shared Jerusalem in 2008. Abbas unfortunately walked away without even a counter-offer.
 

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That said, maybe he’ll get a deal with some kind of wacky one-state solution. If (all of) Jerusalem is truly off the table, I don’t see a two-state solution being a remote possibility.

One-state solution = :flypig:
The one state solution already happened.
There still is no Palestine, even Basketcase refuses to say whether the occupied territories are Palestine or Israel.

So its the default one state, apartheid solution that's left.
Its there right now.
 

basketcase

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The one state solution already happened.....
Considering you keep talking about the UN, why don't you accept it when they say that a Two State peace is the only possible solution?

And there will be no Palestine until the Palestinian factions like Hamas accept the only path forward is not continues violence but negotiations.
 

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Considering you keep talking about the UN, why don't you accept it when they say that a Two State peace is the only possible solution?

And there will be no Palestine until......
Do you realize how ridiculous your post is?
On the one hand saying that the two state solution is the only one possible and on the other saying that it won't happen until.......
 

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