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The growing trade feud between the US and Canada escalated overnight when Ottawa announced it was scrapping a plan to buy 18 F-18 Boeing Super Hornet fighter jets amid a deepening dispute with the U.S. aerospace company, Reuters reported. In a snub to the US, Canada's Liberal government will instead announce that intends to acquire a used fleet of older Australia F-18 jets, the same kind of plane Canada currently operates.
The unexpected decision demonstrates Ottawa’s anger at a recent decision by Boeing to launch a trade challenge against Canadian planemaker Bombardier which Beoing accuses of dumping airliners on the American market. It also puts into question the future of Boeing’s military sales in Canada, which however is a two-edged sword: Boeing says its commercial and defense operations in Canada support more than 17,000 Canadian jobs.
The trade spat comes as Canada and Mexico are locked into increasingly acrimonious negotiations with the United States over the NAFTA trade pact.


The Liberal Party of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau initially said in late 2016 it wanted the Boeing jets as a stopgap measure until it could launch a competition for a permanent fleet to replace Canada’s ageing CF-18 jets. But as relations with Boeing deteriorated, Ottawa slammed the firm for not acting as a trusted partner and began looking at the Australian jets.
Sensing an opportunity to grab market share, Australia’s Defense Department said Canada lodged a formal expression of interest for “a number” of Australia’s F/A-18 Classic Hornets on Sept. 29, in a statement emailed to Reuters.


“Defence is continuing to assist Canada in regards to their EOI,” the statement added, without disclosing a price or any other details. Two sources also said Australian military officials had been in Ottawa late last month for talks. One source said that by buying the Australian fleet, Canada would save money as well as avoid the need to train its pilots on a new aircraft or spend money on a new supply chain. Officials had previously said that if the purchase went ahead, some of the Australian aircraft would be used for spare parts.
It will be interesting if Canada escalates the trade war in the near future: the country is due to officially announce the requirements for its new fighter fleet in early 2019, kicking off an open competition. One potential contender is Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter, which Trudeau initially said he would not buy because it was too expensive. The government has since softened its line, saying the plane would be allowed to compete. In light of the feud with Boeing, however, Canada may end up opting for European alternatives instead.
 

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Used subs from the UK and fighters from Australia - Canada, the worlds seconds military....
 

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Used subs from the UK and fighters from Australia - Canada, the worlds seconds military....
Maybe Value Village needs to look at opening army surplus stores here in Canada.
 

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Universal health care and second hand fighter jets. Canada has got its priorities right.
 

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Next , buy some cheaper and better jets than the f35's.
 

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Universal health care and second hand fighter jets. Canada has got its priorities right.
You mean universal health care and reliance on the US and our other allies for any real national defence. We're like that neighbour that's out drinking hundreds of dollars of booze at the bar every weekend, but is too cheap to buy a lawnmower, so he's always borrowing yours.
 

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Next , buy some cheaper and better jets than the f35's.
Well, cheaper anyway.

I’m not sure why Canada has an air force.
 

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Notwithstanding the scratch and dent equipment the Canadian Forces have always punched above their weight and acquitted themselves admirably.
A testament to the troops, but a shame laid at the feet of government.
 

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Notwithstanding the scratch and dent equipment the Canadian Forces have always punched above their weight and acquitted themselves admirably.
Why bother pretend? It’s not the quality of the people or used gear, it’s a lack of commitment to take it seriously. I don’t think there is really any impact difference between Canada having its current military capability or none at all.
 

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Canada will always be a second tier military power. New or better equipment is not going to change that.
Canadians do go into combat. Don't you feel some responsibility to properly equip them?
 

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Why bother pretend? It’s not the quality of the people or used gear, it’s a lack of commitment to take it seriously. I don’t think there is really any impact difference between Canada having its current military capability or none at all.
You don't get it. Canada has no ambitions of world dominance. The only country that ever has and ever will attack Canada is USA, and there is no way Canada could defend itself from USA. Hell, judging by Terb, half of the population would welcome the USA military with open arms.
 

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Canadians do go into combat. Don't you feel some responsibility to properly equip them?
I am not sure if they are ill equipped in combat. They certainly do not have the most sophisticated air force or navy. Those are two different things.
 

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Why bother pretend? It’s not the quality of the people or used gear, it’s a lack of commitment to take it seriously. I don’t think there is really any impact difference between Canada having its current military capability or none at all.
I think the Americans and NATO would disagree.
 

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I am not sure if they are ill equipped in combat. They certainly do not have the most sophisticated air force or navy. Those are two different things.
Do you think combat doesn't involve the air force or navy? I think you need to understand the operations that Canadian forces have conducted, and are likely to continue to have to conduct, a little better.
 

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You don't get it. Canada has no ambitions of world dominance. The only country that ever has and ever will attack Canada is USA, and there is no way Canada could defend itself from USA. Hell, judging by Terb, half of the population would welcome the USA military with open arms.
Hence my conclusion, why bother.
 

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Hence my conclusion, why bother.
I am agreeing with you. We only need a military for ceremonial purposes, except a coast guard for search and rescue operations.

A military is also a good place to put a certain percentage of the population that needs strict discipline.
 
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