Mass Shooting in Vegas

[K Douglas]

You'd have to do a lot more to prove those two things are related.

Otherwise we could say things like the number of reality shows has also increased in that same time period therefore reality shows prevents crime.

I think people need to stop trying to justify owning guns. I'm fine with people owning guns. I'm not fine with people making up reasons to own guns.

Fair enough. Correlation does not necessarily infer causation. Despite you're foolish comparison to the number of reality shows and crime rates.
There are many studies which have indicated that the use (or potential use) of firearms in acts of self defense are upwards of 1 million per year. Sure many of those studies are from the 1990's but it's clear that having the ability to use the firearm in self defense far outweighs the use of guns for sinister reasons. Let's also be clear to discern between legal and illegal firearms use. The vast majority of homicides in the United States are at the hands of a gun that is illegally possessed.
The CDC concluded in 2013 that legal firearm possession is an essential crime deterrent. But I fully support that anyone needs to qualify before they are granted a firearms license. That would include background checks, medical history and proper training.

 

[K Douglas]

Does anyone else find it curious that we haven't received really any material updates for over a month regarding the worst mass shooting in U.S. history? That the 3 highest Las Vegas Sheriff officials are leaving their jobs. Victims of the shooting are now suing to get information. I get that investigators want to make certain there are no leaks that can compromise the investigation but surely there is some information that can be made public. But all we hear is crickets. I find that somewhat concerning in a democratic society and all it does is fuel the conspiracy theorists.

 

[FAST]

Does anyone else find it curious that we haven't received really any material updates for over a month regarding the worst mass shooting in U.S. history? That the 3 highest Las Vegas Sheriff officials are leaving their jobs. Victims of the shooting are now suing to get information. I get that investigators want to make certain there are no leaks that can compromise the investigation but surely there is some information that can be made public. But all we hear is crickets. I find that somewhat concerning in a democratic society and all it does is fuel the conspiracy theorists.

Agreed.

According to some here, this was simply a case of a lone white nut case on a rampage.

So why all of the secrecy,... ???

Especially since the guy is dead.

 

[james t kirk]

Since 1990 the number of homicides in the United States has fallen by about 25-30%. Rapes are down 7-10%. Robberies are down a whopping 48-50%. The ranges are because in 2015 and 2016 there were mini spikes in violent crime across the board.

During that time period the number of privately owned guns has doubled. The number of right to carry states has gone from 10 to 42.

I realize that there are other factors that have contributed to the reduction in crime but it seems that there is an inverse relationship between levels of gun ownership and violent crime.

So, how do you explain a country like Canada that has gun control laws in place that would cause NRA heads to explode.

Canada is more like the USA than we are different and yet our violent crime is a fraction of what it is in the United States.

 

[FAST]

So, how do you explain a country like Canada that has gun control laws in place that would cause NRA heads to explode.

Canada is more like the USA than we are different and yet our violent crime is a fraction of what it is in the United States.

Gun control laws in Canada have NO effect on illegal guns.

Unless you have traveled extensively in the US, you would NOT state that,... "Canada is more like the USA than we are different".

 

[basketcase]

Does anyone else find it curious that we haven't received really any material updates for over a month regarding the worst mass shooting in U.S. history? That the 3 highest Las Vegas Sheriff officials are leaving their jobs. Victims of the shooting are now suing to get information. I get that investigators want to make certain there are no leaks that can compromise the investigation but surely there is some information that can be made public. But all we hear is crickets. I find that somewhat concerning in a democratic society and all it does is fuel the conspiracy theorists.

What kind of "material" update would you expect?

Unless you think there is a nefarious liberal conspiracy, there's not much to report on. The victims are still dead. The shooter is still dead. There is still no evidence of accomplices. What do you want them to say?

 

[basketcase]

Gun control laws in Canada have NO effect on illegal guns....

Absolutely they do. It is extremely difficult under Canadian law for sketchy gun dealers to perform the straw deals that put so many guns in the hands of American criminals.

 

[FAST]

Absolutely they do. It is extremely difficult under Canadian law for sketchy gun dealers to perform the straw deals that put so many guns in the hands of American criminals.

If a gun is illegal in Canada, that means the government has no knowledge of its existence, or source, so how could the government control it ?

And as far as the subject, how would you explain the resignation of THREE 3 highest Las Vegas Sheriff officials ?

Also, why would the victims have to sue to get info, the shooter is dead, makes no sense, even for Texas.

 

[james t kirk]

Gun control laws in Canada have NO effect on illegal guns.

Unless you have traveled extensively in the US, you would NOT state that,... "Canada is more like the USA than we are different".

Really?

So how do you explain that violent crime in Canada is so much less than it is in the USA?

How many provinces allow you to walk around with a machine gun across your shoulder (yes yes, I know, fully automatic weapons are not allowed in the USA. Uh huh, sure., like there's a differennce.)

According to a StatsCan report from 2012 – the most recent year available – the U.S. suffered a total of 8,813 murders involving the use of firearms that year. Canada, in the same year, recorded just 172 firearms-related homicides.

“When looking at firearm-related homicide rates in comparable countries, Canada’s rate is about seven times lower than that of the United States (3.5 per 100,000 population), although it is higher than several other peer countries. While Canada’s firearm-related homicide rate is similar to those in Ireland and Switzerland, it is significantly higher than the rates in Japan (0.01 per 100,000 population) and the United Kingdom (0.06 per 100,000 population),” states StatsCan’s findings, which do not include Quebec figures.


https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...rican-gun-deaths-and-gun-laws-compare-canadas

 

[james t kirk]

The above is a picture of a bunch of American gun- maniacs (read militias) who think that walking around town like this is OK.

So tell me FAST, when was the last time you saw this kind of insanity in Canada?

Gun controls are not perfect, but they are sure as hell a lot better than this kind of foolishness.

 

[FAST]

We are NOT the same,...

Really?

So how do you explain that violent crime in Canada is so much less than it is in the USA?

How many provinces allow you to walk around with a machine gun across your shoulder (yes yes, I know, fully automatic weapons are not allowed in the USA. Uh huh, sure., like there's a differennce.)

According to a StatsCan report from 2012 – the most recent year available – the U.S. suffered a total of 8,813 murders involving the use of firearms that year. Canada, in the same year, recorded just 172 firearms-related homicides.

“When looking at firearm-related homicide rates in comparable countries, Canada’s rate is about seven times lower than that of the United States (3.5 per 100,000 population), although it is higher than several other peer countries. While Canada’s firearm-related homicide rate is similar to those in Ireland and Switzerland, it is significantly higher than the rates in Japan (0.01 per 100,000 population) and the United Kingdom (0.06 per 100,000 population),” states StatsCan’s findings, which do not include Quebec figures.


https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...rican-gun-deaths-and-gun-laws-compare-canadas

As I posted,... maybe not clearly, unless you have traveled extensively in the US,... you are not in a position to state how much Canada is like the US.

 

[FAST]

The above is a picture of a bunch of American gun- maniacs (read militias) who think that walking around town like this is OK.

So tell me FAST, when was the last time you saw this kind of insanity in Canada?

Gun controls are not perfect, but they are sure as hell a lot better than this kind of foolishness.

Of coarse that's ridiculous, but still goes to the difference in how most Canadians think.

Lets assume that guns were not so readably available in the US, this sort of attitude has been seen in other areas of the US, but with base ball bats and 2x4's.

I agree that guns are an enabler for those with fragile ego issues, as confirmed by the mob effect here, but take away the guns, and something would replace them, its more about the show.

Which is kinda funny, when you think about it,... "look at me,... I'm really brave walking here with a semi auto rifle with 30 other low lifes".

The mob effect, just watch the attitude on a Unifool picket line.

PS: And does anybody actually think that these yahoos are the ones in the statistics committing crimes with their ego boosters.

 

[SuperCharge]

 

[mandrill]

Of coarse that's ridiculous, but still goes to the difference in how most Canadians think.

Lets assume that guns were not so readably available in the US, this sort of attitude has been seen in other areas of the US, but with base ball bats and 2x4's.

I agree that guns are an enabler for those with fragile ego issues, as confirmed by the mob effect here, but take away the guns, and something would replace them, its more about the show.

Which is kinda funny, when you think about it,... "look at me,... I'm really brave walking here with a semi auto rifle with 30 other low lifes".

The mob effect, just watch the attitude on a Unifool picket line.

PS: And does anybody actually think that these yahoos are the ones in the statistics committing crimes with their ego boosters.

Yes, I DO think that these low lifes contribute to the statistics. If you read accounts of gun deaths in the US, many are caused by poor storage / kids accessing guns, drunken tantrums, idiots being careless and showing off. The clowns in JTK's ugly photo are prime candidates for that type of crap.

And wtf kind of country allows low life morons to troop down a city street carrying weapons that have no conceivable purpose but intimidating and wounding other people??!!! The US is the only country that does this kind of stupid!

 

[mandrill]

As I posted,... maybe not clearly, unless you have traveled extensively in the US,... you are not in a position to state how much Canada is like the US.

Why?

Maybe you'd like to hear my opinion then? I've got family that have lived in the states since the 80's, in New England, the Midwest and the South. I visit them, talk to them regularly. Sounds like I'm qualified.

 

[basketcase]

If a gun is illegal in Canada, that means the government has no knowledge of its existence, or source, so how could the government control it ?

And as far as the subject, how would you explain the resignation of THREE 3 highest Las Vegas Sheriff officials ?

Also, why would the victims have to sue to get info, the shooter is dead, makes no sense, even for Texas.

1) Sketchy gun dealers are monitored in Canada. In the US they can get away with countless illegal straw sales that account for a huge percentage of guns used in crimes (according to the ATF).

2) You realize your "questions" are pure conspiracy nonsense right?

 

[basketcase]

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Lets assume that guns were not so readably available in the US, this sort of attitude has been seen in other areas of the US, but with base ball bats and 2x4's....

When was the last time a guy with a baseball bat killed 58 and injured 500?

 

[FAST]

Yes, I DO think that these low lifes contribute to the statistics. If you read accounts of gun deaths in the US, many are caused by poor storage / kids accessing guns, drunken tantrums, idiots being careless and showing off. The clowns in JTK's ugly photo are prime candidates for that type of crap.

And wtf kind of country allows low life morons to troop down a city street carrying weapons that have no conceivable purpose but intimidating and wounding other people??!!! The US is the only country that does this kind of stupid!

What the fuck is wrong with you.

1st, unless you have statistics to back up your claim, butt out.

And then,... you make the statement in your last sentence,... "The US is the only country that does this kind of stupid",...and then reply in your next post,...that you have experienced enough of the US to state that you disagree with your self.

Get help.

 

[FAST]

When was the last time a guy with a baseball bat killed 58 and injured 500?

Obviously my comment was about the bunch of yahoos in james t kirks photo,... about the mob mentality.

You know,... similar to union picket lines.

You taking posting lessons from groggy basketcase,... ???

 

[FAST]

1) Sketchy gun dealers are monitored in Canada. In the US they can get away with countless illegal straw sales that account for a huge percentage of guns used in crimes (according to the ATF).

2) You realize your "questions" are pure conspiracy nonsense right?

If the dealers in Canada were "sketchy",... they wouldn't be allowed to deal guns then,... would they basketcase.

So just because I ask questions you have no answer for,... insinuates a conspiracy theory,... ???

That being the case,...you must have encountered a lot your "conspiracy theory's" in you life time,... I sure as hell wouldn't want to live like that.