Mass Shooting in Vegas

[SuperCharge]

Ok - so 70% increase in ppl wounded by gunfire.

To decrease this number we should ensure Torontonians have:

a) more guns
B) less guns

I say (b) less guns.

Do you agree with me or disagree?

I'll stay armed, and take my chances. If someone pulls out a gun, threatens to kill me, if I have to, I can and will protect myself. Where I come from, that's called Self-Defense and STOPPING the perp. You will as well, but you'll probably have quite a struggle as you'll only have a knife or whatever on hand & quite possibly die.

I'm a responsible gun owner, have never have to use it, on a person, but I never say never. I do not want my 2A touched or the 1A if you really want to go there.

Now, there are a million lives a year saved by guns in the US. I gonna go w/option 'A' for 500 Alex.

That being said. Time to get serious.

With the incredible number of statistics that get thrown around and abused, it's important to sometimes step back and actually look at what the numbers say. Are the gun laws being proposed anything more than window dressing and "feel-good" legislation that will have little actual impact? Should more efforts actually be used in a results-oriented way, targeting the actual concentrated areas where gun crime occurs most? Politics is often a processed-based and not results-oriented exercise, where "doing something" is often rewarded more than actually ever accomplishing anything ie: Chicago.

 

[managee]

Yah I'll stay armed, and take my chances. If someone pulls out a gun, threatens to kill me, if I have to, I can and will protect myself. Where I come from, that's called Self-Defense and STOPPING the perp. You will as well, but you'll probably have quite a struggle as you'll only have a knife or whatever on hand & quite possibly die.

I'm a responsible gun owner, have never have to use it, on a person, but I never say never. I do not want my 2A touched or the 1A if you really want to go there.

Now, there are a million lives a year saved by guns. I will take option A for 500 Alex.

That being said. Time to get serious.

With the incredible number of statistics that get thrown around and abused, it's important to sometimes step back and actually look at what the numbers say. Are the gun laws being proposed anything more than window dressing and "feel-good" legislation that will have little actual impact? Should more efforts actually be used in a results-oriented way, targeting the actual concentrated areas where gun crime occurs most? Politics is often a processed-based and not results-oriented exercise, where "doing something" is often rewarded more than actually ever accomplishing anything ie: Chicago.

Responsible gun owners leave their weapons where I leave my weapons: Safely secured at home or at the range.

‘Stand your ground’ is the epitome of why the grand hegemony is bound to consume itself.

I’ve been robbed at gunpoint on 4 continents so-far. If you want the shit I keep in my pockets when I travel, take it. I like life WAY too much to ever want to know if some perp is actually as loco as he says he is. If you really believe having a pistol would improve the outcome of a situation where you have 1 or more weapons pressed against the back of your head, you obviously haven’t been robbed in places where they know how to do it.

Guns make America more dangerous. If you disagree you’re as gullible as the NRA needs you to be.

 

[SuperCharge]

Guns make America more dangerous.

We've gone through all the data/ stats, the #'s don't back up your theory.

Let's agree to disagree.

If you disagree you’re as gullible as the NRA needs you to be.

Call me whatever you want, just don't call me a liberal.

 

[managee]

Call me whatever you want, just don't call me a liberal. nobody will EVER take away our 2A rights, that's the bottom line.

We've gone through all the data/ stats, the #'s prove otherwise. So we'll' just agree to disagree.

I haven’t called you anything. But OK - you’re not a liberal. And you love your 2A rights, and by extension the 2A rights of every other gun toting American. I genuinely hope those barrels of patriotism continue to be pointed away, rather than towards you.

The numbers do certainly prove something...

 

[SuperCharge]

Fair enough. You’re not a liberal. And you love your 2A rights, and by extension the 2A rights of every other gun toting American. I generally hope those barrels of patriotism continue to be pointed away, rather than towards you.

The numbers do certainly prove something...

Thanks I appreciate that. Got the eye of the tiger, I'll be alright.

Same to you. Your count is at 4, if you're a cat, you've got 5 more shots lol.

 

[managee]

Thanks I appreciate that. Got the eye of the tiger, I'll be alright.

Same to you. Your count is at 4, if you're a cat, you've got 5 more shots lol.

Sorry, I genuinely meant “genuinely” (not “generally”). Was correcting as you posted...

That’s 4x continents, not 4x times. Probably a baker’s dozen if I was actually still counting.

I like 2A as much as I would have probably liked 18A. The Constitution is a living document. 13A and 21A made America better IMO.

 

[SuperCharge]

Sorry, I genuinely meant “genuinely” (not “generally”). Was correcting as you posted...

That’s 4x continents, not 4x times. Probably a baker’s dozen if I was actually still counting.

You've got horse shoes up your ass. You are one lucky guy. I'd like to say let's hang out & drink some brewski's when you're in my neck of the woods, but with you're luck, I'll have to shoot someone haha.

I like 2A as much as I would have probably liked 18A. The Constitution is a living document. 13A and 21A made America better IMO.

The constitution IS NOT a living breathing document. I know that's what the political left likes to think., and I would urge you to read Supreme Court Justice Scalia's opinion on that.

Thank God for Gorsuch.

So how many other rights are you willing to give up?

 

[Frankfooter]

I'll stay armed, and take my chances. If someone pulls out a gun, threatens to kill me, if I have to, I can and will protect myself. Where I come from, that's called Self-Defense and STOPPING the perp.

And all this time I thought you were Canadian.

 

[SuperCharge]

And all this time I thought you were Canadian.

This is getting a little personal lol.

Whatever happened to, love thy neighbor?

 

[managee]

You've got horse shoes up your ass. You are one lucky guy.



The constitution IS NOT a living breathing document. I know that's what the political left likes to think., and I would urge you to read Supreme Court Justice Scalia's opinion on that.

Thank God for Gorsuch.

So how many other rights are you willing to give up?

Being totally honest, it’s not luck. “Don’t do anything stupid” is the first and best piece of advice I got on how to handle yourself in a jam. The next was “leave it at home” which came from the most epic badass I’ve ever met. Served 2 tours as a Marine Sgt in Vietnam without so much as a scratch, then got shot in a shootout at a bar the week he got home. When I met him 30 years later, he was recovering from a stab wound he got when he lost a knife fight in Morocco.

I’m not American, so all of this confounds me.

1791 and the situation that America faced which assured the amendment was adopted, has passed. Mass shootings like Vegas, Sandy Hook, and terrorist attacks like Pulse wouldn’t have been conceivable in an era where technology predated Whitney’s 1795 musket. The threat has changed, so should the laws.

The threat that unrestricted weapons access clearly poses to Americans can only be ignored by the most rigid absolutist constitutional interpretations. I feel 18A and 21A show us that as times, attitudes and our needs as citizens change, so should the document that protects its people.

As you can probably tell, if I was an American, I would have voted Gore. Scalia and I have rarely seen eye to eye.

The idea that an attack on one right is an attack on all, may work on NRA members, but it doesn't work on me.

The adoption of the Patriot Act shows us that when confronted with crisis, Americans are willing to set aside hard-won rights to ensure the protection of its population.

 

[SuperCharge]

1. The constitution is not a dynamic document.

2.The genius of the Constitution is that it was constructed to withstand the test of time. You can add amendments but that process is extremely difficult for the reason that it was not intended to be easily changed.

3. The constitution withholds power from the gov. and gives it to the people. Altering it to give the gov more power would be an irreversiable act and detrimental to our individual liberty.

4.The truths found in the constitution were self evident in 1798 and still remain so 228 years later. The constitution is an integral part of what makes this country the greatest nation on earth.

Case in point; The Patriot Act has constantly been abused, even though there were multiple political promises that it would not be.


I rest my case! Time for bed.

 

[managee]

1. The constitution is not a dynamic document.
2.The genius of the Constitution is that is what constructed to withstand the test of time. You can add amendments but that process is extremely difficult for the reason that it was not intended to be easily changed
3. The constitution withholds power from the gov. and gives it to the people. Altering it to give the gov more power would be an irreversiable act and detrimental to our individual liberty.

4.The truths found in the constitution were self evident in 1798 and still remain so 228 years later. The constitution is an integral part of what makes this country the greatest nation on earth.

[h=2]Case in point; The Patriot Act has constantly been abused, even though there were multiple political promises that it would not be.[/h]
I rest my case!

Case rested. God bless those Stars and Stripes forever.

 

[SuperCharge]

Case rested. God bless those Stars and Stripes forever.

Thanks brother. God Bless our red and white neighbors and brothers in arms.

"He who sacrifices liberty for security, deserve neither"

 

[Smallcock]

^^^
Well played, sir.

 

[black booty lover]

What do you guys think they'll do with the room fuckface rented when he did all this? My guess is they'll probably take the door out and dry wall over so nobody can ever get that room again. I can't imagine they'll let that room be available ever again.

 

[Frankfooter]

This is getting a little personal lol.

Whatever happened to, love thy neighbor?

Its still there, even though attitudes towards guns are very different country to country.

 

[fuji]

I'll stay armed, and take my chances. If someone pulls out a gun, threatens to kill me, if I have to, I can and will protect myself. Where I come from, that's called Self-Defense and STOPPING the perp. You will as well, but you'll probably have quite a struggle as you'll only have a knife or whatever on hand & quite possibly die.

I'm a responsible gun owner, have never have to use it, on a person, but I never say never. I do not want my 2A touched or the 1A if you really want to go there.

Now, there are a million lives a year saved by guns in the US. I gonna go w/option 'A' for 500 Alex.

That being said. Time to get serious.

With the incredible number of statistics that get thrown around and abused, it's important to sometimes step back and actually look at what the numbers say. Are the gun laws being proposed anything more than window dressing and "feel-good" legislation that will have little actual impact? Should more efforts actually be used in a results-oriented way, targeting the actual concentrated areas where gun crime occurs most? Politics is often a processed-based and not results-oriented exercise, where "doing something" is often rewarded more than actually ever accomplishing anything ie: Chicago.

I'm not against gun ownership but the US could learn a lot from Canada. Require people to take a gun safety course and make background checks mandatory for ALL sales. Safe storage laws are a good idea as well.

Lots of totally avoidable accidental shootings in the US by people (and their children) who bought guns but don't know fuck all about how to use and store them safely

 

[basketcase]

And what part of we have a 'right to bear arms', do you not understand?

Ah, so you ignored the data because you are American and know better.

And if "right to bear arms" results in 50-100 times the death rate compared to the rest of the world, maybe time for you to revisit how it should be applied.

 

[basketcase]

We've gone through all the data/ stats, the #'s don't back up your theory. ....

Actually you've ignored all the stats, especially the part where the gun death rate in the US is 100 times the rest of the world.

 

[basketcase]

I'll stay armed, and take my chances. If someone pulls out a gun, ....

Of course in a situation like Vegas or the night club in Paris, hundreds more would be dead as every yahoo shot every other yahoo because they saw a guy with a gun. Sounds safe.