Karma kiss and Kylie

[ZZDRAGON]

Well I am going to apologize to mods but the previous thread was closed before I could add my thoughts.

First, I find it disappointing that raptor86 was attacked by an sp (karma_kiss) because he made a good observation that several members who signed up on the same day made great reviews of the same sp provider. I agree that is extremely odd to say the least. One that would make me not want to visit.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the whole point of this site is to allow us to comment on our experience with the ladies in the industry and even have great conversations. After all their are countless ladies that give the industry a bad rap by posting fake pics, having shall we say provide less then great experiences.

If your an honest sp and offer the same services and post accurate pictures what would you have to worry about. If you provide poor service or post old pictures then We should be able to voice our opinions without fear of being attacked. After all why would we want to waste our hard earned money and get ripped off.

On the flip side I understand the same could happen to an sp getting a bad review from a customer even though they did nothing wrong in their eyes and I acknowledge the ladies here work hard as well.

So my final thought is if you have to create fake accounts to make bogus reviews, provide fake pics or crap service expect to get called out in the forums because that's what they are here for. If you don't want bad review then provide the services you claim you provide and post current pics. We don't want pics from 5 years ago.

 

[Raptor86]

Well said! I thought that this was going to be yet another review written by the girls.
I find it odd that the thread was closed right after her last comment. Just proved my point.

 

[Gntlmn]

I kinda find ZZDRAGON and Raptor86 are trying a bit too hard here. Karma_kiss' responses in the now-closed thread seemed totally reasonable to me. I haven't seen her, though, and you two have low post counts so ... dunno. Just seems a little off to me. You may be right about the first-time posters on LYLA being shills but ... dunno.

 

[Raptor86]

I respect your opinion, but I must point out that since March I've had 14 posts/comments/reviews. I've been doing my share of participation. I also do a lot of PMing in response to questions about certain SPs. If I'm right about Lyla, I'm right about this, it's the same new usernames on both sites. My point was that Lyla is not like this website, if she doesn't like honest reviews both negative and positive, she shouldn't be on here, and maybe she should stick to Lyla. Here we can really write completely honest reviews. If we were attacked by every escort we wrote anything about, what kind of a website would this be? I don't see how we are trying hard. I called out something I thought was suspicious and he agreed. I have received PMs of those who also agree. If we can't try to help each other out by revealing what we think is fake, etc, then what are we here for?

Here is the thread so that others can see what we are talking about.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?611652-Karma-Kiss-amp-Kylie-duo-sessionK-BP-kingston

 

[macrin]

you two have low post counts so ... dunno. Just seems a little off to me. You may be right about the first-time posters on LYLA being shills but ... dunno.

I'm certainly not going to jump to anyones defence here... I do however find a flaw in the theory of post counts. There are many memebers on each board with high post counts that only contribute to light hearted diacussions that have very little to do with ladies or reviews. I tend to look at someones post content and look at tone, content, language and if there is a blend of postives and negatives. I could have a high post count if all I ever did was ask "any info of this one?" Several times a month.

As for Raptor... he has reached out via pm and shared info on other sp's prior to this Karma/Kylie dispute. That doesnt mean I will let his opinion make my decsion... just means I have to believe he is calling it the way HE sees it.

It's too bad that there is such polar opposites in opinions for these providers. When this happens, I tend to become more intrigued and want to know more for myself.

I have communicated with both ladies and neither tripped any warning flags for me. I guess I am just going to have to take the piunge and find out for myself. After all... the rates are very reasonable. If it turns out they are not what they present I will give my 2 cents and if it turns out they are great... all the better. Maybe we do have a couple of hidden gems.

 

[ZZDRAGON]

Well as Marcin stated post counts are over rated. I have been a member on terb since 2012. Which goes back to my younger days as a newbie. I general pm the people I talk to more then anything else. The odd time I come across a post that I like to comment on, then on the other hand a lot of times I read post and by the time I get to the end I find most everything has been said.


I judge a poster so to speak by the merits of what they say and as already stated formulate my own opinion and decide what action I will take. But I feel that when someone post something they shouldn't fear getting chastised for it.

Anyways that's my thoughts.

 

[ZZDRAGON]

Hey. Can I ask what your problem is? Before you talk out of your ass. My
Reviews are from members who have been active for 5+ years so the fact I'm being told I write my own reviews is hilarious. If you guys actually looked at them. You'd see you guys are making shit up. Your missing all the reviews only seeing the new ones. Yes I mentioned the review sites to my
Clients. Not all of them, I said have you checked the review boards? there helpful and interesting. If your on an honest review would be great. That's all and I have proof of that. If you want to keep doing this I will have you removed. Point blank. I'm a good sp and not me of my reviews are fake. The mod on Lyla confirmed I have never had another account only babygirl4u which I admited was mine.... if you think I'm
Fake. Or my reviews are fake BOOK with ME. and find out everything I say is honest. before ruining my reputation some more I am so sick of this this is my
Job and I have children. Trolling isn't nice. And you won't get away with it.

My final point then you get pms like this to read. I find it amazing as I never claimed once her pics were fake or her profile for that matter. Voicing my opinion and members being chastised for voicing their opinion is not right IMO threading to have me removed is not what I would expect from an sp.

I could completely understand if I wrote a bogus review which I would never ever do because like many of the hobbiest on here we rely on accurate reviews. After all everyone works hard for their money including the SP's. I understand it's their job for some and some do it for pleasure as well. But if all we are allowed to do is make rosy comments about SP's then why are we all here?

As for the two ladies implicated in this thread. I don't need or want your emails so please save yourself the time. Also Kylie I won't be booking with you and I agree you both may be great SP's just not for me. Thanks.

 

[fantasyman]

I made the post on the other board noting that the positive reviews were from first time posters. I said nothing more and did not in any way say anything negative. In fact I was planning to see her myself. Since then she has attacked me on the post, with PM's, and asked the mod to block me from the forum. She is obviously too immature to be in this business and I will not be seeing her any time soon.

 

[KylieKingston]

I'm

I never attacked you fantasyman, I stated my opinion, just like you, isn't what these forums are for? Oh right. you wanted a reaction and you got it, doesn't make me immature makes me a young girl who will NEVER be treated like shit. I will never be called fat and be made fun of and not say something. Girls who are in this business aren't allowed to stand up for themselves or write back in fear of not getting clients. I don't care because my service is good and I'll attract clients just being me and being honest. I don't need these review boards to get me clients. And from now on please stop looking at my stuff and replying to it. You'll never see me, and you never have so you have nothing to say.

I made the post on the other board noting that the positive reviews were from first time posters. I said nothing more and did not in any way say anything negative. In fact I was planning to see her myself. Since then she has attacked me on the post, with PM's, and asked the mod to block me from the forum. She is obviously too immature to be in this business and I will not be seeing her any time soon.

 

[Philb06]

I find this entire thread a giant waste of time. Nobody on here has seen the girl in question, it was posted simply to post speculation on possible fake posts, which were already stated in a previously locked post. I get that this board is made for open conversation but seriously, leave it alone, do we need multiple speculation threads without reviews of any kind on the same providers?

I did in fact see Kylie and had a good time, posted about it and I'm not a new user...so there you go. Take off your tinfoil hats, there's no conspiracy at play here.

And I get why they'd come on to defend themselves, while I don't necessarily think that's the best tactic when dealing with these types of threads. There's multiple threads now for the same topic, it would be tough to stand by if I were them too.

 

[fantasyman]

Here is the cut and pasted comment I made on the other board.

"This is the third very positive review of Kylie by a first time poster although there is also a positive review by a longer time member."

How is this considered an attack, damaging review, calling you fat etc. which you have accused me of? This is a review board so if that drives you this insane I can imagine what a negative comment from someone who has seen you will do. You are only driving people away with all your drama.

I never attacked you fantasyman, I stated my opinion, just like you, isn't what these forums are for? Oh right. you wanted a reaction and you got it, doesn't make me immature makes me a young girl who will NEVER be treated like shit. I will never be called fat and be made fun of and not say something. Girls who are in this business aren't allowed to stand up for themselves or write back in fear of not getting clients. I don't care because my service is good and I'll attract clients just being me and being honest. I don't need these review boards to get me clients. And from now on please stop looking at my stuff and replying to it. You'll never see me, and you never have so you have nothing to say.

 

[KylieKingston]

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What about your comments on my actual review on lyla?? Sounds shilly to me. Of course leave those out so you don't look bad your stirring the pot always. Like I said my good reviews prevail your negative nelly reviews. The mod cleared it up and you guys kept going. Bullying at its finest and I didn't say you called me fat I said I was standing up for myself for these guys who are making fun of me who are into spinners etc and I'm not even close to that. Why they're on my reviews doesn't make sense to me unless there's a hidden agenda like an SP behind those accounts. Last time I'm replying how about actually replying to your messages from me. Which I wasn't rude in.... so I don't have to defend myself on a public forum. Thank you.

"This is the third very positive review of Kylie by a first time poster although there is also a positive review by a longer time member."

How is this considered an attack, damaging review, calling you fat etc. which you have accused me of? This is a review board so if that drives you this insane I can imagine what a negative comment from someone who has seen you will do. You are only driving people away with all your drama.[/QUOTE]

 

[fantasyman]

Excuse me, I do not stir the pot. I have been enjoying this hobby for 30 years and been on the boards since the late 90's so I no how to handle myself. This is a review board whether you like it or not. There is an advertising section if you want to self promote. I am done with this conversation. All the best to you.

 

[Raptor86]

Kylie and Karma of course do have the right to respond and defend themselves. However, the threats have to stop. Nobody has threatened you girls, so quit it. Saying you will have us removed or that we will not get away with it is ridiculous. Stop threatening us in PMs and on the board. You won't always like what others say and I haven't seen anything yet that is outright wrong and disgusting being said to either of you. Everytime someone in your daily life says something you don't like, do you threaten to have them removed by the police, etc...? I hope not, so stop doing it here, it's childish.
I really do wish you the best Kylie, you're young and I'm sure with time you will mature and learn as you go. I didn't say that all of your reviews were fake, I've seen one and comments I believe are very real and they were positive. There were just a few I'm suspicious about and that won't change no matter what you say to me. I do think you are beautiful and an honest, real, provider. I'm sorry if I've upset you as much as it seems, which is quite upset. These boards aren't the be all, end all, and my opinion will not destroy your business. Good luck in life.

 

[Alma@ALO]

I believe she fwlt the need to post for a reason. Amd i believe her. Theres tok many people out there with loose screws and desire to ruin another person's livlihood and it doesn't just stop at this industry.
You piss 1 person off for the littlest thing they go ape shit. You don't want to be with someone as a partner that other person tales it to the next level.with a vindictive agenda.
I've seen this over and over and experienced some.it myself. What I see on terb if some people over posting and for what? I can only think of 1 thing. Reliability. Garnering respect from other terb members so as to appear legit via post numbers. This hardly fits the bill of a reputable terb member. Half these people don't even see spa or mas but feel the need to comment on everything and ask questions about a certain ma or sp (tire kickers) I'm not making names but this goes both ways.
I also see whenever a sp or ma comments on threads she gets jumped on. Probably why most of us don't say anything.
Have a nice day.

 

[KylieKingston]

You won't get away with it without me saying something is what I meant, I have never been a violent person and I never will be, thanks again for the assumption. Have a great night.

Kylie and Karma of course do have the right to respond and defend themselves. However, the threats have to stop. Nobody has threatened you girls, so quit it. Saying you will have us removed or that we will not get away with it is ridiculous. Stop threatening us in PMs and on the board. You won't always like what others say and I haven't seen anything yet that is outright wrong and disgusting being said to either of you. Everytime someone in your daily life says something you don't like, do you threaten to have them removed by the police, etc...? I hope not, so stop doing it here, it's childish.
I really do wish you the best Kylie, you're young and I'm sure with time you will mature and learn as you go. I didn't say that all of your reviews were fake, I've seen one and comments I believe are very real and they were positive. There were just a few I'm suspicious about and that won't change no matter what you say to me. I do think you are beautiful and an honest, real, provider. I'm sorry if I've upset you as much as it seems, which is quite upset. These boards aren't the be all, end all, and my opinion will not destroy your business. Good luck in life.

 

[Raptor86]

You won't get away with it without me saying something is what I meant, I have never been a violent person and I never will be, thanks again for the assumption. Have a great night.

Did I say you were threatening anyone with violence? No. Threats don't always have to be violent. I give up.

 

[Nesbot]

With so much drama in the LBC it's kinda hard being snoop d o double g.

 

[Raptor86]

Something posted on L*** by KylieKingston:
She looks gorgeous. Formally known as Kim castro, I texted to confirm, people say she isn't real and some say she isn't the girl in the photos I've talked too . Really confusing hope to see some reviews soon she looks like a lot of fun !!

Looks like she logged into the wrong account for that comment. Must've been meant to be written from one of her other accounts she uses as a "hobbiest".
I posted this elsewhere and she quickly deleted it.

 

[KylieKingston]

Leave me alone

Yeah I deleted it from your account.... just like I accidentally logged into my account on Lyla. When i was supposed to be on my hobbyist one even tho my IP address has one account other then that one... which the mod posted.... I wouldn't do that because I'm smarter then you, These accusations are getting better and better. Your word means nothing when all your doing is bullying for higher post counts. I win. Because my reviews are real and you have to watch my success while you fight me you act like a tough man behind the computer but can't show your face. Like every other troll out there. You will never win and your looking worse by continuing it when I have told you to stop multiple times. Get off of your high horse.

Something posted on L*** by KylieKingston:
She looks gorgeous. Formally known as Kim castro, I texted to confirm, people say she isn't real and some say she isn't the girl in the photos I've talked too . Really confusing hope to see some reviews soon she looks like a lot of fun !!

Looks like she logged into the wrong account for that comment. Must've been meant to be written from one of her other accounts she uses as a "hobbiest".
I posted this elsewhere and she quickly deleted it.