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TeeJay

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Who said it is guaranteed you get the deposit,,, I believe both parties must agree to it otherwise it can sit in the realtors hands for a very long time till settled in court
The real estate papers you signed
It is VERY clear you keep deposit

from what I hear (no personal experience), the deposit is not a simple transfer to the seller if the buyer does not perform...
Simple? Never
But even the most basic paper includes these clauses
Lawyer is (obviously) required though
 

TeeJay

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For "A" lenders, once you receive a "full" approval from them, they do not go back and review documents and redo appraisals. They have issued their full approval. In the situation currently happening, that would be disastrous for the real estate market if that were to be done. I can tell you 100% that there are many homes that were purchased at the height of the market in 2017 where the mortgage financing at the time of closing is way above 100% due to declining values and mortgage insurance premiums. Mortgage insurers do not pull back their approvals in these cases. Where clients get into trouble is when they are rate shopping and do not get all the required documents to the lender so that they can complete their approval process. Once documentation is received and reviewed that opens up the application for further review with the mortgage insurer and lender. Lenders may not order an appraisal until all documentation is received unless the client is paying for the appraisal. Appraised values are Normally not as important on "A" type deals as mortgage defaults for these clients are usually due to non property related issues.
This is all nonsense
There is no such thing as a "full approval"
Period

They will ALWAYS assess the buyer at time of mortgage, consider things like debt service ratios, etc
Even if the house is worth every penny and not over valued, if you did something stupid (eg bought a car 2 weeks before closing) the bank (or private lender) can refuse to give you a mortgage

That paper the bank gives you is pretty clear on terms
You can also view them on website


Oh another fallacy most people believe which is total bs; there is no such thing as a guaranteed renewal either
Mortgage renewal is a privilege not a right
The bank is always allowed to look at your home, your credit etc when deciding whether to extend a renewal
 

Samranchoi

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This is all nonsense
There is no such thing as a "full approval"
Period

They will ALWAYS assess the buyer at time of mortgage, consider things like debt service ratios, etc
Even if the house is worth every penny and not over valued, if you did something stupid (eg bought a car 2 weeks before closing) the bank (or private lender) can refuse to give you a mortgage

That paper the bank gives you is pretty clear on terms
You can also view them on website


Oh another fallacy most people believe which is total bs; there is no such thing as a guaranteed renewal either
Mortgage renewal is a privilege not a right
The bank is always allowed to look at your home, your credit etc when deciding whether to extend a renewal
Not sure if you are just plain stupid or have no clue what you are talking about. Disregard what I just said, you are both,lol. It quite clear where you received your diploma. Please let us know what Bubble gum machine you got it out of.
 

rgkv

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Not sure if you are just plain stupid or have no clue what you are talking about. Disregard what I just said, you are both,lol. It quite clear where you received your diploma. Please let us know what Bubble gum machine you got it out of.
Harsh words... and I bet there is a clause SOMEWHERE that gives the bank an out.....
 

TeeJay

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Harsh words... and I bet there is a clause SOMEWHERE that gives the bank an out.....
Don't worry about him he is clueless

If you have any doubt on this matter ask your mortgage agent

(or if you really want read the actual book they must learn and pass to get certified, it is easily available online)

Here is a plain english article that clearly says pre approval does not even consider your ability to pay
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/re...a-mortgage-10-things-to-know/article18064344/
#1 & #5 in particular
 

Samranchoi

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Don't worry about him he is clueless

If you have any doubt on this matter ask your mortgage agent

(or if you really want read the actual book they must learn and pass to get certified, it is easily available online)

Here is a plain english article that clearly says pre approval does not even consider your ability to pay
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/re...a-mortgage-10-things-to-know/article18064344/
#1 & #5 in particular
Once again you have shown yourself to know absolutely nothing, nothing, lol. Just goes to show I was correct, you are clueless and stupid. You provide an article which discusses pre-approvals which in the mortgage industry are only used to hold mortgage rates (should they increase) and have nothing to do with providing an actual mortgage approval to a client. All my comments have to do with someone who has actually purchased a property and receiving a "final" approval after all documentation has been provided to the lender. Of course you wouldn't know that having never gone through the process. You should really stop talking about something you have absolutely no knowledge of,which based upon all the other threads in the forum section, is everything,lol.
 

TeeJay

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Just goes to show I was correct, you are clueless and stupid.
If you think so, considering most of the nonsense you have been posting in this thread.

As I stated above there is no such thing as an "actual mortgage approval" prior to a property closing regardless of how much paperwork you think the bank has processed they ALWAYS will look at it again before it is official

You also keep pointing to an MBS valuation for some odd reason (just using the wrong terms since I suspect you have no idea what you are yapping about)
 

Samranchoi

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If you think so, considering most of the nonsense you have been posting in this thread.

As I stated above there is no such thing as an "actual mortgage approval" prior to a property closing regardless of how much paperwork you think the bank has processed they ALWAYS will look at it again before it is official

You also keep pointing to an MBS valuation for some odd reason (just using the wrong terms since I suspect you have no idea what you are yapping about)
That is strange, not once I have mentioned "MBS valuation". Can you please explain exactly what "MBS valuation" is?
 

Samranchoi

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If you think so, considering most of the nonsense you have been posting in this thread.

As I stated above there is no such thing as an "actual mortgage approval" prior to a property closing regardless of how much paperwork you think the bank has processed they ALWAYS will look at it again before it is official

You also keep pointing to an MBS valuation for some odd reason (just using the wrong terms since I suspect you have no idea what you are yapping about)
It is quite clear that you have never worked for a bank or company that funds mortgages to clients. Otherwise, you wouldn't be stating the useless comments that you do. If you actually believe that mortgage lenders "ALWAYS" review all documentation (ie; income, down payment, purchase and sale agreement and appraisals if applicable, etc...) after they have been fully approved previously, sadly you are wrong. Humour me though, specifically state the process that you believe a lender goes through on an application when someone has purchased a property at 90% loan to value closing in 60 days. This should be interesting, lol.
 

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You need to make deposit non refundable in deal and everybody signs off if not you can be in a big mess .In Markham I tell people to get 150 to 200 deposit on house ,lots of people walked away and sellers stuck need to relist house and you have a fight to get deposit because buyer has to agree to sign it over that's why you make it non refundable.
 

rgkv

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OK guys... lets cut it out.. I don't care about all the what if's... I'm worried , now that I read the star article , that I will even get the deposit let alone loose the deal.
My buddy sold his house, area not far from me, now getting a call that buyer only has 90% of the money, guess that's there way of offering a lower price.
 

Samranchoi

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This is in the hands of you, your buyers, the real estate agents and the lawyers. There is absolutely nothing more that anyone here can say at this point in time. Especially when no one except the aforementioned individuals are the ones involved in the transaction. If the buyers do not close and/or want a lower price, the choice is yours and yours alone to decide what you want to do.
 

rgkv

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This is in the hands of you, your buyers, the real estate agents and the lawyers. There is absolutely nothing more that anyone here can say at this point in time. Especially when no one except the aforementioned individuals are the ones involved in the transaction. If the buyers do not close and/or want a lower price, the choice is yours and yours alone to decide what you want to do.
all this I am aware of... Thus like my opening post said... stress of waiting
 

rgkv

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:peace: It's over!!!! Deal was Sept 5.. 6 pm closing date.. At 5 pm yesterday I couldn't stand it anymore and called my lawyer,, Guess he saw my name on his phone, picked it up and said 'Deal is done, money in your hand by tomorrow,,, go party"...:thumb:

So first thing I did was get royally sucked fu**ed and jerked, and now I have other plans :plane:
Life is good again
 

Smallcock

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Congrats. Youre going to move out of the city, buy a less expensive house, and spend the difference on escorts?
 

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Congrats Op!! Huge success!

And as someone very familiar with the mortgage industry, and from reading some of the comments here

- some lenders have reopened even an approved mortgage and later declined. Aka hometrust were famous about this
However it is important to note that most major banks will not reopen approved mortgage unless you give them a reason to. We have a saying in the industry, once approved dont touch it and dont be dumb and do something that changes your financial position

- preapprovals in nature are worthless but it is necessary because it forces people to at least have a conservation with the bank. Can you imagine if preapprovals didnt exist? Scary stuff

- everyone should have an idea of their own credit score (beacon score). And if you are looking to buy in the future. Start prepping and planning your financial position today. Mortgage rules are tightening. Need to be prepared

- and lastly, make sure you build a good team to help you. Mortgage agent. Realtor. Lawyer etc
 

rgkv

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Congrats Op!! Huge success!

Thank you :rockon: I lucked out completely .. sold 2 days before foreign tax kicked in, sold for 1/4 million more than any comparable home in my neighbourhood. house nearby has lowered price 3 hundred thou and NO traffic, prices to buy are dropping and to boot all my pension cheques are rolling in... Life is good today...
 

frankcastle

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I feel for the OP.

I've seen people selling for over a million and now houses on the same street asking the same amount are not moving.

I can see the stress especially if now you are financially responsible for two houses with mortgages. Not sure if that is the case in this situation. I think he will likely get the deposit but unfortunately some people have accepted low deposits which makes walking away easier for buyers. Especially if they believe the price of the home is over inflated.

I've also seen cases in which deals are not going through because banks are refusing to lend the desired amount because they don't feel the how is worth the amount being asked for.

It's fucked up.
 

Smallcock

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I feel for the OP.

I've seen people selling for over a million and now houses on the same street asking the same amount are not moving..

I've also seen cases in which deals are not going through because banks are refusing to lend the desired amount because they don't feel the how is worth the amount being asked for.

It's fucked up.
For the most part I'm seeing houses that don't sell for around asking simply being taken off the market which is a good sign since it means we're seeing less inventory and a return to a balanced market between buyers and sellers.

Regarding deals falling thru due to lack of financing - a minor blip in the scheme of things and a natural response to the sudden change in the market. Most of these situations will have already worked themselves out by now,
 

rgkv

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Today I receive my share of the deposit... BEAUTIFUL... I am sitting here now looking at MP and SP's adds, wondering which girl WANTS me today..
 
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