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frankcastle

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In defense of JV ... Since he got in the NBA they have asked him to bulk up and work on his post game but in the new NBA it seems the centre position has changed . Although his defense still isn't where it is supposed to be at this stage of his career ..
Also they never feed him the ball in the post to make a move or kick out.
 

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Also they never feed him the ball in the post to make a move or kick out.
IMO JV is not a good ball handler or passer, which may be the reason why they don't feed him the ball to kick out. If he gets it inside he usually tries to put it up. For his career he averages .7 Assists per game.
IMO he can be an asset if he continues to develop that outside shot. From what I read he isn't as dedicated as Lowry and DeRozen. He needs to become more of a gym rat to improve to the level that the Raps need him at if they are going to succeed. He also needs an attitude adjustment. If he takes all the media criticism personally he may just put forth the effort that is need from him for both JV and the Raptors to succeed!
 

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Dawgger

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I think the Raptors Should trade DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry for Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson. That would be a win-win.

DeMar and Kyle get their best chance to win a championship and we have a wicked point guard that we can build around for more than 3 years.
As I understand the article, Kylie is indicating preferences as to where he would like to play, and Toronto is not on his list. Spurs TWolves Knicks are among the teams mentioned.

Think this will be a tough trade to make as Cleveland is going to want quality back and the other team is going to have take on Kylies contract.
 

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Kyrie doesn't have a no-trade clause, so he'll go where ever nets Cleveland the best return. As far as trading for Thompson... I'm not a fan, but this definitely makes no sense unless JV is already gone. Otherwise, teams know that has to go, and his value is diminished more than it already has.
 

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Anyways Kyrie just breathed some hope for the rest of the Eastern Conference. Based on the chances Lebron returns to Cleveland after this year, I'm glad Kyrie did this. Lebron wants to feel like he's the GM of theirs team. Well this is his doing. He doesn't think the team owner cares about him? Well now he gets a taste of what it's like to appease everyone's best interest, not just his own. It appears Kyrie thinks the same about Lebron as Lebron thinks about Dan Gilbert.
 

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JV, Kyle Lowry, 3 first round draft picks, and Norman Powell for Kyrie Irving and Channing Frye? I wish...
 

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I wish there comes a day when a star player has Toronto on their destination wish list when they make a trade demand, so far it's never happened. There's some chatter that the Knicks are looking to trade Melo for Kyrie, which is actually not good for the Raptors because then the Knicks would suddenly be among the top teams in the East.

Lebron doesn't need Kyrie to get back to the finals though, he can easily get there by himself in the weak East. Anyone remember 2007 and the scrub Cavs team he led to the finals on his own?
 

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Always gets me angry when you hear of athletes having to be pushed to work hard when they're making more in their short careers than most people will make in a lifetime.
Is JV Andrea Bargnani Part II ?

Some of these "lazy" athletes I think are a in a way a victim of their talent and physiques. Some may have been steered into an athletic career by family, coaches etc. when their heart really isn't into it. Maybe just want
to be mechanics, businessmen, engineers - where their passions are.

Remember Alexandre Daigle? Super talented but seemed disinterested.
Centers are always the biggest victims of lazyness cause of their height . They were often the biggest players growing up and
their height was the only talent they needed ..Then when they get to the NBA when more then just height is needed to keep a job they are asked to work at their game for the first time in their life .
 

HOLLYWOODG

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Jonas is a total gym rat and very committed.

He is obviously frustrated for being benched by Casey and disenchanted with the lack of set plays including him. Kyle and Jonas should theoretically he running 7 to 10 pick and rolls per game but it is not happening!
 
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I think the Raptors Should trade DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry for Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson. That would be a win-win.

DeMar and Kyle get their best chance to win a championship and we have a wicked point guard that we can build around for more than 3 years.
Oh hell no! That would be worse than the carter trade. Tristan is way over rated. Maybe if it was kyrie and love
 

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Oh hell no! That would be worse than the carter trade. Tristan is way over rated. Maybe if it was kyrie and love
Kyrie looks great with all the guys, including James around him, how good would he look on a team with a lot less support? No question, he is a talented player, but can he carry a team?
 
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Kyrie looks great with all the guys, including James around him, how good would he look on a team with a lot less support? No question, he is a talented player, but can he carry a team?
Lets just hope he gets traded to the west lol, then we would only have to worry about the celtics.
 

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Don't think DRose is going to be healthy enough to be the number 1 guard in Cleveland all year. Losing Kyrie is a step down for the Cavs. Make no mistake, Kyrie carried the team at times.
 

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Don't think DRose is going to be healthy enough to be the number 1 guard in Cleveland all year. Losing Kyrie is a step down for the Cavs. Make no mistake, Kyrie carried the team at times.
At 2.1 million on a 1 year contract, he is not being paid like a #1 guard.
While Irving has asked to be traded, the questions remain, will it happen?, if so, to who? for who/what? and when?
 

wonkyknee

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If Lebron doesn't lock in for another 3-5 years now, the Cavs should start rebuilding now with this Irving trade. Get young players and draft picks. They don't have to abide by Lebron's agenda. If he's leaving then start with Kyrie. Get young, and if Lebron doesn't like it, he should go now too. Why work around Lebron??
 

tombrady12

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Because Lebron puts butts in the seats, and any team that he's on has a chance to win the title.
 

HOLLYWOODG

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At 2.1 million on a 1 year contract, he is not being paid like a #1 guard.
While Irving has asked to be traded, the questions remain, will it happen?, if so, to who? for who/what? and when?
If I am Colangelo, I would trade Fultz, Embid and 3 first rounders for Irving.

The 76ers would quickly bring the youngsters along with such an adept player at the point.
 

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Because Lebron puts butts in the seats, and any team that he's on has a chance to win the title.
But for Cleveland it appears as though its for only one year, and then he's gone. So start rebuilding now when you can get something for Irving, and maybe even Lebron.
 
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