Only if the blackmail exists. If it doesn't then it all falls apart. That's why I said the outcome will be interesting.
Signs the bill, nothing happens, theory toast.
Start a new thread if you want to talk civic politics.
What good does sanctioning Russia do?
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Signs the bill, nothing happens, theory toast.
Start a new thread if you want to talk civic politics.
Perhaps you personally are. But Europe doesn't want to freeze this winter or pay increased heating bills. And a lot of tech companies and other interests won't either.
As I said it will be interesting how the Global markets react.
The Russian economy is the government and their oligarchs. Sadly it is the choice of those oligarchs to pass on the hardships to the everyday Ivan while they continue to eat caviar and fly to party around the world.
I think the intent is to bring about change in the Russian government but the end result is that it punishes all Russians.
What is your opinion?
It reinforces Russian opinions that it is us against the evil West.
Those who have the education, and experience of travel outside Russia to see through government controlled media are very much a minority of the population. What frankly remains astonishing is that there are still as many people as there are curious and interested about the West.
Russia is basically a criminal enterprise with Putin controlling the oligarchs and they doing his bidding including spreading money around where it will serve the interests of Putin. Hence you will not find any money flowing directly from the Russian government and agencies going to Trump. But watch the money from the oligarchs including the purchase of real estate.
I'm with Trump and Edwin Starr on this.
Sanctions, huh, yeah
What r they good for
Absolutely nothing
I'll say it all again
Sanctions, huh, yeah
What r they good for
Absolutely nothing
I dont really agree with you. The law of unintended consequences applies.
I dont understand your point about "intent"?
True, but this is 100% better than the 70's, so progress has been made.
What is interesting to me is that there are so many "enlightened" guys here who want us to believe that the Russians are the same savages they were 45 years ago
How touching!...... You are concerned about the little people in Russia, but meanwhile your man, Drumpf, is about to throw 30 million little people in America out of their healthcare coverage....HMMMM.
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Your so-called 'savages' from 45 years ago now wear expensive suits, are chauffeured in expensive scars, are billionaires and belong to a ruling elite controlled by and taking their orders, like they did in the Trump/Russia collusion, from their $200+billion killer KGB-ruler Putin who has by all accounts has financially raped the mass of Russians of the wealth that should have been theirs, not his and his cronies.
The 'sanctions bill' in addition to the Magintsky Act is intended to target those financial and thus political levers of power and control resting in the hands of Putin. The outcry of rage and indignation expressed by Putin reinforces this.
Those most opposed to the sanctions are Putin and Trump and none need not wonder why.
Also companies from the oil, energy, banking, aerospace, auto and heavy manufacturing industries have all raised concerns with the details of the sanctions measure. While the corporations insist they're not against new sanctions on Russia and not seeking to kill the bill, they have argued that the legislation has unintended consequences that will ultimately harm their businesses, rather than Russia.
European countries have also objected to the bill, saying it will disadvantage their energy companies.
So any reasonable person is able to conclude those who complain the loudest against the sanctions are those who are most financially well off and politically compromised/vested/criminally culpable.
Now please tell us how this waiting for The Don sanctions bill hurts ALL RUSSIANS?
Why would they have changed? What's so special about the last 30 years? Russia is still an authoritarian state with close control on its media. Opposition media is forcibly closed often, including websites. TV is a state monopoly. Neighbours are encouraged to rat out their "disloyal" acquaintances, just like under Stalin. My own experience of Russians is that they are as brainwashed by Putin as you are by Trump.
Unlike you, I know a lot of Russians and "knew" a lot more before they turned on me over the Invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine when they called me an American spy and blocked me from their pages. Russians are basically nuts.
Russians need to be shown that the US has the balls to stand up for itself and stand up for its allies in Eastern Europe. The whole point to Putin's facilitation of Trump's election is to have a foolish stooge POTUS who cannot see the larger diplomatic picture and who can be easily flattered and manipulated into undermining the diplomatic interests of the USA. The sanctions are 100% essential and necessary.
The collusion arguments are still there. Trump signing the bill simply means that he has accepted that Congress and America will not allow him to betray the country to Putin, as he had originally planned.
I don't think this bill will get to the monkey's desk. Sen Corker is running interference for the WH
Right. That's a neat circular argument there. Actions speak. If he signs the bill and no blackmail appears what then? Does this mean there is no leverage?
