LOL...I consider that a complimentDo Caucasian people find this offensive? If so, why?
Woman outraged after spotting confederate flag at Scarborough community festival
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Symbols are always open to interpretation. Warplanes are undeniably a symbol of death and destruction because that is what they are made for. How is it suddenly not offensive to display them in a museum and have kids climb in the cockpit? Do you explain to kids what the guns or the missiles on the plane are used for? The Union Jack, American flag and many others can arguably represent conquest, colonialism and maybe even slavery. Millions of people around the world including American and British citizens already see them as offensive, which is why people burn flags.
I never said that the driver is a racist. We cannot or should not conclude that based on so little information. Both parties were inconsiderate in their own way and could have behaved better towards each other. I'm not letting the young man off the hook so easily since he was not particularly pleasant, but the woman was way out of line based on what was in the video. I'm also not saying that this woman should just "suck it up cry baby." But I totally disagree with the way she behaved towards another person.
The car is obviously not the original General Lee from the TV show! It's a young man's pet project to replicate the look of that car.
People today including you or any of your family cannot truly relate to that terrible period of American history. The generation of people that lived through that time are long gone.
We'll never know for sure what happened before and after the video was shot. It could have been a normal conversation that escalated into what we saw. It could also have started that way.
If I was the owner of that car I would go to the community festival only if invited. It is plausible that the driver might have crashed the festival without an invitation, but there's no evidence to suggest that. The driver likely poured lots of time and money into acquiring the car, parts, engine, paint color, etc. It was his pride and joy. In his position, I would also be upset it some random woman came up to me and started yelling at me about how offended she was, etc. It could be the driver just does not know the history of said flag, but that is obviously a wild speculation not based on any facts.
If I was approached calmly by the organizer or a random person not to display the car, I probably would comply out of respect assuming any fees would be refunded of course.
All this discussion has got me thinking that videos like this need to be integrated into the classroom somehow. It's a good exercise IMO, to take apart micro moments like this to try to understand what is going in a calm rational way. It is way too easy to have a visceral response to things these days without stopping for a second to think.
Who cares. It's called Free Speech. Get used to it. It's the backbone of a free society. And for anyone that see's the Confederate Flag as a symbol of slavery. You know nothing about the Confederate nor slavery and have been brain washed by your Liberal media and education system. You can have an opinion but don't insist it's a fact without backing it up. Just try and think for yourselves once in awhile.
Supreme Court just ruled it isn't. Great win for the 'redskins'. A major victory for free speech. BLM will love it, now they can trademark their name lol.We've run this through in the past is the following offensive?
http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/19/s...-washington-redskins-brands-deemed-offensive/
“The proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express ‘the thought that we hate.’”
Perhaps B.N.A recalled it had only been fifty- some years since the last invasion from the US, and reasoned that a hostile nation to their south after the war would re-focus the attention of the northern States. Certainly the eventual victory of the North, and the prospect of its enormous and well-equipped army just across the undefended border, at loose ends and bitter about English gun-running to their enemies, was a spur to our Confederation 149 years and 355 days ago.
You can add the stars and stripes and union jack to that list. Native Americans and British colonies have their own list of atrocities suffered under those flags. Flying a Confederate flag at government building pays tribute to a set of values that are wrong and I can see that. There is 70's-80's cultural association of the flag void of references to slavery that simply identifies the location of people as designated geographically by the confederate states and attributing a simple hillbilly life style of country folk. The use of the flag on the dukes of hazzard show was such a use to reinforce this southern hillbilly local in the plot. As I watched the Dukes of Hazzard .. okay Daisy Duke .. on TV without ever associating it to slavery, it seems strange to hear protests on the car in a cultural presentation. Yeah, I get it but I don't think the protesting lady does.
There is so much confusion about the flag because it actually represents both pride and pro-slavery sentiments, sometimes combined and other times distinct. A person of any race in the south could have worn the flag with pride and been against oppression and slavery. There is more to southern culture than slavery - foods, music, language, rural lifestyle etc. Likewise, the flag can and often does represent racism and a civil war to allow slavery to continue. The war and fallout from it co-opted what the flag originally represented.
This is true but some people need to watch the show to realize the rebel flag on the car doesn't symbolize pro slavery. It simply has to do with being an outlaw hence why they are always running from the sheriff.
Very classy response.
I'm trying to think of the actual year where I shifted from thinking "that's General E. Lee's flag" or "a Rebel flag" to that's a flag that represents inarguably racist values, and as such has no place in today's society. That is, unless you yourself support those values, and want the world to know it. There's plenty of room for you in this great country if that's you, but seriosuly, you're scum.
BTW - that's a generic 'you' / informal 'one.' I'm not calling explorezip anything but a guy who writes classy responses.
I specifically remember asking someone that saw the 2005 remake how the film approached the topic, or whether it was mentioned at all and don't recall how the friend responded.
I also remember in 2000 that a friend got his dad's '69 charger, which he had painted to match the General Lee. The first thing he did was paint over the flag.
Am I totally ignorant for being surprised that in 2017 the connection between the image on the top of the General Lee and slavery isn't as widely known or accepted as I think it is?
I know this is stupid to speculate on, but do you or anyone else have any thoughts on whether the owner went home, did some homework, used the critical thinking and objective reasoning skills he no doubt has, recognized this connection and decided to change the paint job (or leave it in his garage)? Or did he discount the entire argument (edited for brevity and cohesiveness: just as the car is an icon of early '80s TV, the flag on the top of the car is an icon of pro-slavery values - and the two can't be separated) because she acted like a lunatic?
that car is a legend and has abso-fuckin-lutely nothing to do with racism - anybody who has seen that show would understand, things need to be looked at in context and not out of context...jeez
Sure Kat, sure. Nazi history happened too. Should that symbol be used as a 'harmless' logo in a new show? That piece of shit flag flew under the radar due to ignorance and lack of caring. So while USA were jostling to take down the Nazis they were lynching negroes back home. And do remember that the KKK were still active and allowed to get away with murder well into the 1980s draped in that filth of a flag!!!!! You think White Supremacy was checking for black people's feelings back then? So that explains it cheekily sneaking by into mainstream.
I grew up watching Dukes too and had the toy car, but I didn't grow up in the good ole USA. We didn't know what that garbage ultimately stood for. When my parents learned about the flag, that car went int he trash. The symbol offends me more than the show gave me joy. Let the lady show her outrage. She's justified in doing so. It means nothing to you, but it does to her.
I once used a photographic studio of a guy in Nottingham, UK who had that shit up in one of his sets and when I told him I cannot use that set unless he takes down that flag (small as it was) from the wall and replace it something else, he didn't see the big deal. He told me some black British rappers even posed on it. I pointed him to articles and such to educate him on it.
The problem is knowledge of that symbol isn't mainstream, but it's more or less getting there. Up until recently only North Americans, and perhaps only those in the USA knew full well what it stood for.
You worked that one out because they didn't come out and say that their car is a warning to darkies to back the 'f' up?
