No, I want you tell me why you think its OK for some Canadians to beat up others, and to leave other ones alone????!
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I know you dont follow. Let me simplify:
How is a simple assault on one person, any different on another person??
(assuming there is no difference on physical damage on both)
This should come as no surprise to intelligent people.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...k=70ad7859e4747ba8c8ce0853c1e76429-1495592579
To a liberal lefty an assault on a gay or a Muslim is much more serious than the same assault on you or I. 100 times more serious if it is a gay Muslim. Liberalism 101
Bomber from a red brick semi who 'knew an ISIS recruiter': British-born Manchester Un
The suicide bomber responsible for the worst UK terror attack since the 7/7 atrocity 12 years ago was a British-born jihadi from a family of Libyan refugees, it emerged last night.
Salman Abedi, 22, was known to the security services before he walked into Manchester Arena on Monday night and detonated a bomb packed with nails, nuts and bolts, killing 22 people including children as young as eight. He is also being probed over alleged ties to an 'ISIS recruiter' in Manchester.
There were claims that Abedi may have spent time in a Middle East conflict zone, where he may have received terrorist training, while it was also said he had only recently returned from a three-week trip to Libya days before the bombing.
Abedi was described as growing up in his neighbourhood with a 'face of hate', but others said he was football mad and a passionate Manchester United fan.
Yesterday, police carried out a controlled explosion at his home in the Fallowfield area of south Manchester following a dramatic raid by dozens of officers on the red-brick semi.
Chemical experts were seen outside with specialist instruments amid fears that he could have obtained radioactive material.
It was also claimed last night that he had travelled by train from London to Manchester on Monday in advance of the attacks.
It raised suspicions that he may have met co-conspirators or been supplied with his explosive device by an as-yet-unidentified bombmaker.
According to the Mirror, Abedi was friends with Raphael Hostey, also known as Abu Qaqa al-Britani, who served as an ISIS recruiter until he was killed in 2016 in Syria by a drone strike.
They were said to be family friends and it is feared Hostey may have helped radicalise Abedi.
Police yesterday recovered CCTV of Abedi striding into the Manchester Arena with what officers believe was a home-made bomb
Amid a series of other revelations, it was claimed that his father – an airport security officer – had left the UK to fight in Libya.
Sources also said his mother had raised concerns about her son’s radical views before she herself left for Libya.
In addition, police were quizzing his brother Ismail, 23, on suspicion of involvement in the bombing.
Although Abedi was known to the security services, he was not under surveillance and officers had no inkling he was building a bomb.
Last night a chilling picture emerged of the terrorist who wore a ‘face of hate’ as he grew up in an anonymous suburb of Manchester.
Born in Manchester in 1994, the third of four children, his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime and his father is a suspected fighter who left the UK in 2011 to try to overthrow the Libyan leader.
Ramadan Abedi, an airport security officer who is thought to have worked at Manchester Airport, emigrated to London with his wife Samia Tabbal, 50, before moving to the Fallowfield area of south Manchester where they settled in a housing association-owned home about two miles from the scene of Monday night’s terror attack.
Friends and neighbours said Abedi appeared to be a normal football-mad teenager who was a massive Manchester United fan and spent hours playing computer games on the PS4
But everything changed in 2011 when his father abruptly left his job and home in the anonymous suburb to fight in Libya, leaving his family to fend for themselves, according to a local imam.
Abedi and his brothers appear to have followed in his footsteps by sharing stories of British jihadis fighting in Syria on social networks and even praying in the street.
Within hours of the attack carried out by Abedi, police arrested his brother Ismail, 23, outside a Morrison’s in Chorlton, Manchester and last night they were quizzing him on suspicion of involvement in the bombing.
The IT manager, who is married to a maths teacher, worked for Park Cake Bakeries in Oldham until January. It is believed that Ismail, who worked as a teaching assistant giving Arabic classes and IT support at Didsbury mosque Quran school, was once reported to a counter- terrorism unit after concerns were raised by members of the Muslim community.
Abedi and his family were well known at their Didsbury Mosque just a few minutes’ drive away from their modest £150,000 home.
Last night a source suggested anti-terror officers also tried to engage with Abedi, but he refused to co-operate. ‘Salman Abedi is a troublemaker, that is the understanding we have from the community,’ he said. ‘He is a loose cannon, someone who is troubled.’
The imam of Didsbury Mosque, Mohammed Saeed revealed Salman stopped going to the mosque in 2015 as he objected to anti- IS comments.
He said: ‘Salman used to come to the mosque occasionally, he wasn’t particularly friendly towards me because he didn’t like my anti-IS sermons.
‘He didn’t like what I was saying and showed me the face of hate. He came to the mosque less and less after that.’
One neighbour claimed they heard Abedi chanting Islamic prayers at the home just weeks before the concert hall atrocity.
Abedi is thought to have attended multiple schools in Manchester Claremont Primary School including Burnage Academy, William Hulme and Stretford Grammar School.
Leon Hall, who went to school with Abedi, told Mail Online he saw the killer last year and said he had grown a beard. He also said the jihadist was a keen Manchester United fan.
Mr Hall said: ‘I saw him last year and he had a beard thing going on. We didn’t speak but just nodded to each other. I don’t remember seeing him with beard before.
‘He always had a bit of an attitude problem. I can’t say I really liked the man.’
He added: ‘I saw him last year and he had a beard thing going on. We didn’t speak but just nodded to each other. I don’t remember seeing him with beard before.’
Mr Hall said they grew up playing together on the street around their home.
'He and I had a tussle many years ago when we were kids. It was over nothing, but he always had a bit of an attitude problem. I can’t say I really liked the man.’
He went on to study at Salford University. A spokesman said: ‘He was completely off the radar. He turned up for lectures for two years and then just stopped coming.
‘He was living at home, so he was very much not living the student experience.
‘He was not known to the university Islamic society.’
The source said Abedi began his business and management course in 2014 and attended lectures for two years but then stopped going.
He would have graduated this summer.
Last night one friend of Abedi’s said it was ‘crazy’ to consider what he had done.
Few suspected that Abedi, a slightly withdrawn, devout young man, always respectful to his elders, would become a mass murderer.
One friend said: ‘His parents are in Libya at the moment, they seem to go backwards and forwards a lot. I’m shocked.
'It’s crazy to think he could do this, he didn’t show any outward signs of being radicalised.
'I had noticed him being a bit more religious perhaps of late, going to the mosque more to pray and walking his little brother to school, being a bit more responsible.
'But nothing to suggest he could do something so terrible.’
A 16-year-old cousin of Abedi’s who lives near the family house said: ‘He went to Libya two months ago. We go every summer.
‘I don’t really believe it [that he carried out the attack]. I know him and I know what type of person he is. He’s a nice guy, we play [war videogame] Battlefield on the PS4.’
Last night neighbours described their shock as police carried out a controlled explosion.
Neville Edwards, who lives near the house where the controlled explosion was carried out, said his mother’s house in the next street was shaken by the blast.
'She felt the ground beneath her shake. She was absolutely terrified.’
Debbie Smith, 53, a chef who lives opposite the Abedi house, said: ‘I was here when the police blew the door, it was loud.
'I had just turned a television programme on, it was about 12pm. It sounded like they were blowing my own door in.
‘It went boom! It was frightening after what happened last night, it frightened the life out of my dog.
‘The Abedi family have lived here a long time. At one point when Gaddafi got killed they put a massive flag on the roof of their house, the police had to come to tell them to take it down. I think they were glad he was dead.
‘We never had any problems with the family. They seemed quite Western, they wore Western clothes.
'The men sometimes wore those long shirts on holidays, the women didn’t wear veils, just headscarves. It’s frightening to think that we have been living opposite a suicide bomber.’
Forensics officer were seen emerging from the killer’s property carrying a booklet called Know Your Chemicals.
Neighbour Lina Ahmed, 21, said Abedi had been seen in the street chanting.
‘They are a Libyan family and he has been acting strangely. A couple of months ago he [Abedi] was chanting the first kalma [Islamic prayer] really loudly in the street. He was chanting in Arabic.
‘He was saying “There is only one God and the prophet Mohammed is his messenger”.’
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535806/The-British-born-bomber-red-brick-semi.html
The suicide bomber responsible for the worst UK terror attack since the 7/7 atrocity 12 years ago was a British-born jihadi from a family of Libyan refugees, it emerged last night.
Salman Abedi, 22, was known to the security services before he walked into Manchester Arena on Monday night and detonated a bomb packed with nails, nuts and bolts, killing 22 people including children as young as eight. He is also being probed over alleged ties to an 'ISIS recruiter' in Manchester.
There were claims that Abedi may have spent time in a Middle East conflict zone, where he may have received terrorist training, while it was also said he had only recently returned from a three-week trip to Libya days before the bombing.
Abedi was described as growing up in his neighbourhood with a 'face of hate', but others said he was football mad and a passionate Manchester United fan.
Yesterday, police carried out a controlled explosion at his home in the Fallowfield area of south Manchester following a dramatic raid by dozens of officers on the red-brick semi.
Chemical experts were seen outside with specialist instruments amid fears that he could have obtained radioactive material.
It was also claimed last night that he had travelled by train from London to Manchester on Monday in advance of the attacks.
It raised suspicions that he may have met co-conspirators or been supplied with his explosive device by an as-yet-unidentified bombmaker.
According to the Mirror, Abedi was friends with Raphael Hostey, also known as Abu Qaqa al-Britani, who served as an ISIS recruiter until he was killed in 2016 in Syria by a drone strike.
They were said to be family friends and it is feared Hostey may have helped radicalise Abedi.
Police yesterday recovered CCTV of Abedi striding into the Manchester Arena with what officers believe was a home-made bomb
Amid a series of other revelations, it was claimed that his father – an airport security officer – had left the UK to fight in Libya.
Sources also said his mother had raised concerns about her son’s radical views before she herself left for Libya.
In addition, police were quizzing his brother Ismail, 23, on suspicion of involvement in the bombing.
Although Abedi was known to the security services, he was not under surveillance and officers had no inkling he was building a bomb.
Last night a chilling picture emerged of the terrorist who wore a ‘face of hate’ as he grew up in an anonymous suburb of Manchester.
Born in Manchester in 1994, the third of four children, his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime and his father is a suspected fighter who left the UK in 2011 to try to overthrow the Libyan leader.
Ramadan Abedi, an airport security officer who is thought to have worked at Manchester Airport, emigrated to London with his wife Samia Tabbal, 50, before moving to the Fallowfield area of south Manchester where they settled in a housing association-owned home about two miles from the scene of Monday night’s terror attack.
Friends and neighbours said Abedi appeared to be a normal football-mad teenager who was a massive Manchester United fan and spent hours playing computer games on the PS4
But everything changed in 2011 when his father abruptly left his job and home in the anonymous suburb to fight in Libya, leaving his family to fend for themselves, according to a local imam.
Abedi and his brothers appear to have followed in his footsteps by sharing stories of British jihadis fighting in Syria on social networks and even praying in the street.
Within hours of the attack carried out by Abedi, police arrested his brother Ismail, 23, outside a Morrison’s in Chorlton, Manchester and last night they were quizzing him on suspicion of involvement in the bombing.
The IT manager, who is married to a maths teacher, worked for Park Cake Bakeries in Oldham until January. It is believed that Ismail, who worked as a teaching assistant giving Arabic classes and IT support at Didsbury mosque Quran school, was once reported to a counter- terrorism unit after concerns were raised by members of the Muslim community.
Abedi and his family were well known at their Didsbury Mosque just a few minutes’ drive away from their modest £150,000 home.
Last night a source suggested anti-terror officers also tried to engage with Abedi, but he refused to co-operate. ‘Salman Abedi is a troublemaker, that is the understanding we have from the community,’ he said. ‘He is a loose cannon, someone who is troubled.’
The imam of Didsbury Mosque, Mohammed Saeed revealed Salman stopped going to the mosque in 2015 as he objected to anti- IS comments.
He said: ‘Salman used to come to the mosque occasionally, he wasn’t particularly friendly towards me because he didn’t like my anti-IS sermons.
‘He didn’t like what I was saying and showed me the face of hate. He came to the mosque less and less after that.’
One neighbour claimed they heard Abedi chanting Islamic prayers at the home just weeks before the concert hall atrocity.
Abedi is thought to have attended multiple schools in Manchester Claremont Primary School including Burnage Academy, William Hulme and Stretford Grammar School.
Leon Hall, who went to school with Abedi, told Mail Online he saw the killer last year and said he had grown a beard. He also said the jihadist was a keen Manchester United fan.
Mr Hall said: ‘I saw him last year and he had a beard thing going on. We didn’t speak but just nodded to each other. I don’t remember seeing him with beard before.
‘He always had a bit of an attitude problem. I can’t say I really liked the man.’
He added: ‘I saw him last year and he had a beard thing going on. We didn’t speak but just nodded to each other. I don’t remember seeing him with beard before.’
Mr Hall said they grew up playing together on the street around their home.
'He and I had a tussle many years ago when we were kids. It was over nothing, but he always had a bit of an attitude problem. I can’t say I really liked the man.’
He went on to study at Salford University. A spokesman said: ‘He was completely off the radar. He turned up for lectures for two years and then just stopped coming.
‘He was living at home, so he was very much not living the student experience.
‘He was not known to the university Islamic society.’
The source said Abedi began his business and management course in 2014 and attended lectures for two years but then stopped going.
He would have graduated this summer.
Last night one friend of Abedi’s said it was ‘crazy’ to consider what he had done.
Few suspected that Abedi, a slightly withdrawn, devout young man, always respectful to his elders, would become a mass murderer.
One friend said: ‘His parents are in Libya at the moment, they seem to go backwards and forwards a lot. I’m shocked.
'It’s crazy to think he could do this, he didn’t show any outward signs of being radicalised.
'I had noticed him being a bit more religious perhaps of late, going to the mosque more to pray and walking his little brother to school, being a bit more responsible.
'But nothing to suggest he could do something so terrible.’
A 16-year-old cousin of Abedi’s who lives near the family house said: ‘He went to Libya two months ago. We go every summer.
‘I don’t really believe it [that he carried out the attack]. I know him and I know what type of person he is. He’s a nice guy, we play [war videogame] Battlefield on the PS4.’
Last night neighbours described their shock as police carried out a controlled explosion.
Neville Edwards, who lives near the house where the controlled explosion was carried out, said his mother’s house in the next street was shaken by the blast.
'She felt the ground beneath her shake. She was absolutely terrified.’
Debbie Smith, 53, a chef who lives opposite the Abedi house, said: ‘I was here when the police blew the door, it was loud.
'I had just turned a television programme on, it was about 12pm. It sounded like they were blowing my own door in.
‘It went boom! It was frightening after what happened last night, it frightened the life out of my dog.
‘The Abedi family have lived here a long time. At one point when Gaddafi got killed they put a massive flag on the roof of their house, the police had to come to tell them to take it down. I think they were glad he was dead.
‘We never had any problems with the family. They seemed quite Western, they wore Western clothes.
'The men sometimes wore those long shirts on holidays, the women didn’t wear veils, just headscarves. It’s frightening to think that we have been living opposite a suicide bomber.’
Forensics officer were seen emerging from the killer’s property carrying a booklet called Know Your Chemicals.
Neighbour Lina Ahmed, 21, said Abedi had been seen in the street chanting.
‘They are a Libyan family and he has been acting strangely. A couple of months ago he [Abedi] was chanting the first kalma [Islamic prayer] really loudly in the street. He was chanting in Arabic.
‘He was saying “There is only one God and the prophet Mohammed is his messenger”.’
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535806/The-British-born-bomber-red-brick-semi.html
The faces of the dead. RIP
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535702/Liverpool-schoolgirl-5-victim-Manchester-attack.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535702/Liverpool-schoolgirl-5-victim-Manchester-attack.html
I may not particularly like Ariana Grande's music and from what I've heard, she's an ... unpleasant person.
But, my heart does go out to the families of the people who lost their lives and were injured. Ariana, her band and crew have my sympathy as well and I hope that everyone who was affected by this terrible incident will recover.
I also hope that the suspect who was arrested is punished to the full extent of the law if he is found guilty.
But, my heart does go out to the families of the people who lost their lives and were injured. Ariana, her band and crew have my sympathy as well and I hope that everyone who was affected by this terrible incident will recover.
I also hope that the suspect who was arrested is punished to the full extent of the law if he is found guilty.
You shared a link of a muslim caning gays.
I claimed that beating gays was not exculsive to muslims.
You asked for proof.
I provided it.
As for your question which was never on my radar.....
Motive makes a big difference.
And in the canings and hate crimes I linked the commonality is motive..... people who think being gay is wrong and worthy of beating.
EDIT: I also need to point out that you originally brought up the caning story to pain the moderates in a certain light.
I would argue that SOME moderates in Canada have anti gay views as well. In addition to the violence, what are the worst non racist insults people often use? Gay slurs. What often happens to gay or effeminate males in schools? Bullying. How do Chrisitans view gays? Mixed
I caps "some" because I also think it is unfair to use a city in south east asia as a represent muslim beliefs. I'd argue there must be geographical/cultural differences between Libyan immigrant in UK vs muslim in Saudi Arabia vs muslim in Indonesia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...RKIN-Ariana-Grande-symbol-Islamists-hate.html
The Islamist mind set and this bombing.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535626/SUE-REID-Manchester-crucible-extremism.html
The problems of Manchester
The Islamist mind set and this bombing.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535626/SUE-REID-Manchester-crucible-extremism.html
The problems of Manchester
nope. putting words in my mouth 101
when the two white males beat the white homeless man to death in a park in toronto that was about as bad as it gets...... totally pointless disregard for human life.
Yes
The case that poppped to mind was Tim McVeigh (spelling?)
Who told 2 people his plans
Both were arrested and jailed for not telling authorities, even though they had nothing to do with day of the bombing
Your argument is lame. It is taking on that of being an apologist frankly. You continue to muddy the waters by saying there are people in Canada who feel the same way, etc etc. As if that makes it acceptable. Here is the thing that seems to be evading you in your stubbornness. Canadian society as a whole would flat out reject and recoil at the thought of hurting gay people. We don't care them, we don't throw them off of rooftops and cheer when it happens . There are penalties under the law of the land for any such behaviour. And you know it and yet you persist in your juvenile argument of "he did it too" as a means of justifying your apologist stance. It's guys like you that allow such hatred and intolerance to continue and to thrive.
And they were arrested and charged and went into the system and went to jail.
Another red herring argument on your part that makes no sense whatsoever
JTK, it's impossible to use analogies from the Third World to make your point. Societies there are different and more primitive. For instance, let me know how you feel about that dick in the Phillipines having alleged drug dealers killed on sight without a trial. I'm not seeing Canadian Values there either. But somehow he always gets left out of these threads.
First of all. I am not apologizing for Muslims. I don't condone what they did to the gays who were caned.
But if you want to think that beating gays is unique to Muslims then that is where we will have to disagree. Whether the people in Canada was charged is irrelevant. The point I am making is that there are people in Canada who think it is okay to beat gays. That's the only point.
Suggesting that Muslims get a pass is your words in my mouth.
I'm all for getting rid of terrorists, I just happen to think that painting hundreds of millions of people with the same brush is not a constructive starting point. We need to make contacts and ally with those within the Muslim community who feel the way we do.
Sure when you combine news stories of throwing gays off roofs or caning it sounds bad. Because it is. But it would be a mistake to assume all Muslim countries are like that.
It would be like living on the other side of the planet and watching CP24. You'd think it was a violent town with all the stabbings and shootings but you and I know differently. Now are those countries Disneyland? Probably not. But using the news as our only source probably gives us a skewed view.
