Toronto Maple Leafs - 2016/17 Season

smuddan

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Defense matters.

Lou wasn't there to make the call in 2015, he would not have selected Marner over Hanifin. Marner may prove us wrong, he could develop into another Martin St Louis. The loss of Polak was worse than the loss of Alzner, the Caps still had Brooks Orpik. It cost the Penguins at least another Cup by not resigning him. Holtby had the advantage, he was dealing with far less traffic than Andersen. The Canes will make the playoffs next year and do significant damage. It may not look like it now but the Canes are ahead of the Leafs in the development curve. Dickhead move Pagula in Bufallo, he wont find a better management team.

Still thoroughly enjoyable season but I expect the Leafs to regress next season unless they add more muscle to the defense.
Marner got knocked around in this series and was not as effective as he was in the regular season, but you have to keep in mind that this is his first season and even Patrick Kane needed more than one season to learn to become real good.

I know you have this obsession for Hanifin and I haven't watched enough of him to form an opinion as to who's better between him and Marner. Based on stats alone though, I'd say Marner's were more impressive than Hanifin's first year stats. Yes defence matters, but so does offence. Coaching can teach how to defend but you need pure skills to score that cannot be taught.

The Canes have the opposite problem as the have huge holes up front but solid on defence. They seem to have put more emphasis on drafting defence vs the Leafs' drafting offence. Maybe circumstances and availabilities of talent at the time played a big part. I can see a match for potential block buster type deals between the clubs.

The Leafs have an abundance of young forwards in Sashnitkov, Leivo, Kapanan, Lepsic etc. who are NHL ready but there may not be enough room to fit them all in next season. They may be trade baits to land one or two solid physical d men who they desperately need.
 

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The four Leafs mentioned above will not get them a stud defenseman which they sorely need. If the Leafs have to go the trade route to get a true number one defenseman like Karlsson or Hedman they will have to pony up Nylander or Marner. The four named above simply aren't good enough to draw a top stud defenseman in a trade.
 

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The four Leafs mentioned above will not get them a stud defenseman which they sorely need. If the Leafs have to go the trade route to get a true number one defenseman like Karlsson or Hedman they will have to pony up Nylander or Marner. The four named above simply aren't good enough to draw a top stud defenseman in a trade.
Leafs might not need to look for a stud defenseman elsewhere. Babcock could turn either Gardiner or Rielly into potential Norris material in a couple of more years. If everything goes according to plan in Leafs land, we will have a Cup parade in...2020!
 

superstar_88

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Marincin is awful. Just awful.

But I do thank him for his horrible play the previous season that allowed the team to draft Matthews.
He has no arm strength. Can't clear the puck. Can't make a good pass. Ultimately it's lack of hockey sense and reading the play. Can't slow the game down to make plays. Panics. He's a robot. Won't take a hit to make a play either. He's a pansy.
 

superstar_88

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No guarantee the Leafs will make the playoff next year. Two lousy mistakes cost Leafs the series. Two lost faceoffs were the difference in gm5 and gm6. In gm5,cant have a winning goal from losing a draw in offensive zone. And in gm6 that was why Boyd was brought in for the playoffs. He lost the frigging faceoff and game over. Unless the Leafs are the upcoming version of the Hawks it will be a challenge to go back to the playoff next season.
No player wins 100% of their faceoffs. So you're blaming the loss on one faceoff? The game is 60 plus minutes. Why not blame it on the post?
 

smuddan

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The four Leafs mentioned above will not get them a stud defenseman which they sorely need. If the Leafs have to go the trade route to get a true number one defenseman like Karlsson or Hedman they will have to pony up Nylander or Marner. The four named above simply aren't good enough to draw a top stud defenseman in a trade.
I wasn't talking about trading for a stud d man for those young players mentioned. Read again you'll see I referred to a " solid physical d man" who can win physical battles in front of the net and along the boards and be a physical presence, someone like Boston's McQuade would be a good fit, I think.
 

superstar_88

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You just described Polak
 

smuddan

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You just described Polak
Polak will be an ufa and just suffered a serious injury. Even if he comes back healthy with the Leafs, there's still the need for another one like him because everybody else on defence is soft and/or small.
 

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Polak will be an ufa and just suffered a serious injury. Even if he comes back healthy with the Leafs, there's still the need for another one like him because everybody else on defence is soft and/or small.
I can see them resigning Polak and getting another like him. His style fits in well with the management and Babcock.
 

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One of the papers published the salaries of all the Leaf players. They are pretty low paid by NHL standards. The top earners are Rielly and Andersen at $5 million each.
 

Insidious Von

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The strategy going forward - I respect Mike Babcock (awesome coach) but I love Lou. He's my gumba.

 

gcostanza

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One of the papers published the salaries of all the Leaf players. They are pretty low paid by NHL standards. The top earners are Rielly and Andersen at $5 million each.
The highest paid Maple Leafs player is Nathan Horton ($5.3M), followed by Joffrey Lupul ($5.25M).
 

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While the offence core is set with Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Kadri/Hyman/Brown, there will be some interesting decisions to be made on the veterans. Boyle is ufa, Bozak, JVR and Komarov will be in the final year of their contracts. They can't possibly let all three play out the year and lose them to free agency. Unless they're extended before then, they'll very likely be traded before the trade deadline or even before the start of the next season. Lou will have to decide which of the three to keep.

The chances of getting a top pairing d man is very slim. Shattenkirk is not the answer. The Blues don't seem to miss him and he's very ordinary playing on the third pair with the Caps. I'd expect the Leafs to at least upgrade the depth and add physicality.
 

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Insidious Von

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Nathan Horton was a warrior, acquiring his contract was a labour relations move with the NHLPA. The Blue Jackets couldn't honour his contract. That may serve us well in the free agent market.

The Leafs don't need a stud defenseman per say, we have enough of them for the transition game. They need a defenseman who'll look after Andersen. The headshot he took in the last game against Bufallo should never be allowed to happen. I couldn't care less if he gets more than 5 points the entire season, as long as, to quote Jack Armstrong, GETS THAT GARBAGE OUTTA THERE.

Blast from the recent past:

 

gcostanza

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Nathan Horton was a warrior, acquiring his contract was a labour relations move with the NHLPA. The Blue Jackets couldn't honour his contract. That may serve us well in the free agent market.
The Blue Jackets were honouring his contract, they really didn't have an option unless the team was to declare bankruptcy.
NHL contracts are fully guaranteed (with a very few minor exceptions).

The Maple Leafs' acquisition of Nathan Horton (and his contract) was in a trade for David Clarkson.
Horton's contract was uninsured, and the Blue Jackets were on the hook for the entire amount, with no return on their investment.
They were happy to move it (and him) to Toronto, even for David Clarkson.
The dollars basically washed, and Columbus was hopeful of getting at least some value from Clarkson.
That didn't turn out too well however, as Clarkson since developed a long-term lower back injury.
Clarkson's contract is insured.

The deal worked out for both clubs.
Toronto got an extra ~$5M in cap space by moving DC's contract.
Columbus got out from under a ~$5M cap hit that was returning no dividends.
Unfortunately both players have experienced continuing health issues.
 

SkyRider

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Nathan Horton is famous for being credited with a goal at 0:00 of the first period in an NHL game.
 
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