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[Dave in Phoenix]

75-year-old indicted 12 felony charges for Mesa massage incall

If convicted, the potential of decades in prison could be more than for 2nd-degree murder.

All in private consenting adults. There is at least one other indicted that haven't yet been found and arrested. Charges include criminal enterprise, keeping a house of prostitution, conspiracy, 2 counts money laundering, 2 counts pandering 2 counts receiving earnings of prostitution, transportation for purpose of prostitution (hired an Uber to bring one of the women to condo) as well as two marijuana-related felonies.

As reported by ABC15 on 4/18/2017, the investigation began in June 2016 involving a condo near Rio Salado Parkway and Dobson in Mesa.

Surveillance of the property also allegedly showed multiple men and women coming to and from the condo in 30 and 60-minute increments. Police say inside the condo were massage tables in two bedrooms.

Upon his arrest on April 12, xxxxx reportedly told police that he placed the ads and rented the condo, "so his female friends could perform massages at that location." He allegedly went on to describe 'massage' as various types of sex acts. (Dave notes he probably was confronted with statements from customers that were trafficked stopped after leaving and often a female undercover that tried to work for him as in most massage related or agency investigations).

He also reportedly named seven adult women that were working at his condo, saying he would get $60 a day per girl for one customer and $100 a day per girl for more than one.

http://www.abc15.com/news/crime/mes...man-busted-for-running-prostitution-operation

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Good thing, because I'm travelling to Arizona next week and I feel much safer with this 75-year-old off the street

 

[lenny2]

That's ironic that Arizona has one of the most liberal gun laws in the US. In Arizona, adults having consensual sex in private is more dangerous to the public than walking around with a gun.

Americans do love their guns. Just ask Denny Crane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KvO-8IvoCI

 

[freedom3]

Good thing, because I'm travelling to Arizona next week and I feel much safer with this 75-year-old off the street

You laugh now, but wait until someone puts a gun to your head and forces you to go to massage parlor.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You laugh now, but wait until someone puts a gun to your head and forces you to go to massage parlor

Like the experts say, when faced with a situation like that dont fight back and always go along with hostage taker's demands

:yield:

 

[lenny2]

One advantage the USA has over Canada is legal prostitution in parts of Nevada.

US states, AFAIK, are allowed to do this, while Canadian provinces cannot.

However, in Vancouver & other parts of Canada, where LE have chosen not to enforce the law, it is much the same as it is in those parts of Nevada.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

One advantage the USA has over Canada is legal prostitution in parts of Nevada.
However, in Vancouver & other parts of Canada, where LE have chosen not to enforce the law, it is much the same as it is in those parts of Nevada.

NO! The pimp houses of Nevada are nothing whatsoever like Canada. I would never go to a Nev place unless money was no object. I met owner of most Dennis Huf and he is a nice guy but his business model is teaching the women how to negotiate for the highest possible session cost and there are many disadvantages of working in a Nev brothel/pimp house. We need decriminalization with women in charge of their own businesses or choice of a good agency not a Huf pimp to work for.

 

[lenny2]

Well as long as the laws are in the books , all it takes is just to replace Vancouver Police Chief with a conservative guy to enforce the laws. So it isn't the same as those parts of Nevada because any conservative police chief cannot shut down legal brothels there just because he doesn't like them

Of course Nevada laws could also change, just as they could in other states & countries.

Hawaii was recently pushing for legal prostitution, were they not?

How is it that Canadian LE can simply choose not to enforce laws re prostitution, pot, etc?

Is it the Police Chief who dictates this or do Mayors, individual officers & other people have an influence?

 

[lenny2]

NO! The pimp houses of Nevada are nothing whatsoever like Canada. I would never go to a Nev place unless money was no object. I met owner of most Dennis Huf and he is a nice guy but his business model is teaching the women how to negotiate for the highest possible session cost and there are many disadvantages of working in a Nev brothel/pimp house. We need decriminalization with women in charge of their own businesses or choice of a good agency not a Huf pimp to work for.

My point wasn't about price etc, but the law.

Why doesn't Nevada already have what you refer to?

What are the prostitution laws in the 50 states?

Do they individually have the power to make prostitution legal if they want to?

I'm grateful to be in Canada. In recent decades i've also often been in Asia for the hobby. Never the USA.

 

[lenny2]

"In most states, prostitution is considered a misdemeanor in the category of public order crime–crime that disrupts the order of a community. Prostitution was at one time considered a vagrancy crime."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States

"A misdemeanor (American English)[1] or misdemeanour (British English) is any "lesser" criminal act in some common law legal systems. Misdemeanors are generally punished less severely than felonies, but theoretically more so than administrative infractions (also known as minor, petty, or summary offences) and regulatory offences. Many misdemeanors are punished with monetary fines."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor

"Prostitution is illegal in the vast majority of the United States as a result of state laws rather than federal laws. It is, however, legal in some rural counties within the state of Nevada. Prostitution nevertheless occurs elsewhere throughout the entire country.

"The regulation of prostitution in the country is not among the enumerated powers of the federal government. It is therefore exclusively the domain of the states to permit, prohibit, or otherwise regulate commercial sex under the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, except insofar as Congress may regulate it as part of interstate commerce with laws like the Mann Act."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States

As for Canada:

"The bill criminalizes the buying of sex – or “obtain[ing] for consideration… the sexual services of a person.” The penalties include jail time – up to five years in some cases – and minimum cash fines that go up after a first offence."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-everything-you-need-to-know/article19610318/

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/c36fs_fi/

 

[lenny2]

Police Chief doesn't need orders from Mayors or Province premier to enforce Criminal laws if he wants. A recent example: Edmonton Police who decided to post fake ads to arrest clients.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...inding-new-ways-to-battle-sex-trade-1.4054882

So is it in Canada local Police Chiefs are dictators who are above the law & can say FU to federal laws re prostitution & pot, etc, & make their own rules as they go along?

While in the USA the individual states make their own laws re prostitution. I wonder how many Police Chiefs in the USA also act like dictators above the law & often refuse to enforce federal & local state laws.

With there being 50 states, i imagine the ways in which prostitution is punished vary quite a lot.

 

[lenny2]

Nope. They don't do anything above the law. They only enforce the existing law. They aren't the ones who make that law. Politicians are the ones who make those rules (laws). If politicians want to change the rules for police chiefs all they have to do is just change the law. Police chiefs don't have this power to change the law.
Do you think that politicians would tell the police chiefs: "Hey we just voted a new law but we don't want you to enforce it ". Don't you think that this is very comical? Politicians make laws to have them enforced. If they don't want them enforced then they just change those laws instead of telling the police chiefs not to enforce them. Not complicated. As long as the laws are on the books they are enforceable.

By "above the law" i meant that they refuse to enforce the law that is in place. Such as in Vancouver where LE refuse to make any attempts whatsoever at enforcing Bill C-36 re consenting adults buying sex. Thus the Chief of Police is a dictator when it comes to choosing whether or not to enforce the laws re prostitution, pot, etc, correct? He is essentially saying "FU to those laws, i'm going to act as if they don't even exist. I'm going to let the criminals commiting these crimes do what they will & get away with it". Correct? So in Vancouver it is like those laws don't even exist.

Police Chief doesn't need orders from Mayors or Province premier to enforce Criminal laws if he wants.

 

[lenny2]

A police chief cannot refuse to enforce the law if he's told to do so but at the same time none can stop him from enforcing the law if he decides to. He doesn't need orders from anyone to enforce it.

Who do you think has the power to force a Chief of Police to enforce laws he doesn't want to enforce, but not the power to stop the Police Chief from enforcing laws he wants to enforce?

 

[wilbur]

A police chief cannot refuse to enforce the law if he's told to do so but at the same time none can stop him from enforcing the law if he decides to. He doesn't need orders from anyone to enforce it.

Police have discretionary powers of arrest. Not that they would decline to arrest someone for a major crime though.

 

[james t kirk]

Someone could explain to me why Dennis Hof who's operating exactly the same business legally in Nevada is considered a good law-abiding US citizen whereas someone who's doing exactly the same business illegally in another state is considered as a very dangerous person to public even more dangerous than a murderer? So why Dennis Hof is a good guy but the other guy is public threat just for running a brothel?

Dunno.

Maybe Dennis Hof is paying the right people not to bust his ass.

Or, Dennis Hof is paying his taxes.

Or both.

Was the guy in the OP's post paying his taxes at least?

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Nope.Just because of the location where Dennis Hof is running his business.
PS: In Canada you have to pay taxes even when you're busted doing something illegal. Proceeds of the crime are taxable in Canada

Likewise in the U.S. Remember Al Capone got busted for tax evasion, not other crimes.