Peel school board: Outraged parents rip Koran
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People from all religious denominations are allowed to attend "Christian" (aka public) schools. For example, there are Syrian Muslim children attending "Christian" schools right now.
On the surface it may seem like that, but has it ever occurred to you that the women are practicing the religion with their free will and are okay with 'segregation'? It's done actually because in respect of woman. Like I find it funny you're standing up for women, when you're on an escorting board that supports an industry disrespecting women frequently.
Really disappointed in that video.
What does Trudeau and Canadian politicians have in common with the mullahs of Iran?
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/blog...nning-to-make-criticizing-islam-illegal-24939
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/blog...nning-to-make-criticizing-islam-illegal-24939
I want you to walk into a woman's study class at any university and state that second paragraph. Go ahead. I dare ya!
And if the constitution states this, and I personally think it's more likely badly interpreted by some judge somewhere, then the constitution is flawed.
Your kidding,...right,...come on lexi,...1st,...very few people "practice" any religion of free will,...2nd,...how would you know if women are "okay" with 'segregation,...???
:rofl:
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Hear that ladies,...!!!
You find it funny that I stand up for women,...somebody has to stand up for the women in question,...
Then what the hell are YOU doing here,...???
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You can be disappointed,...but just what the hell did you expect to take place,...???
FAST
I disagree with ORGANIZED prayer in public schools. Having a space where any student can pray doesn't bother me but when it is officially organized as it is in some schools, it seems like an official endorsement of that prayer.
But instead of approaching the topic with calm and rational discussion on where the appropriate accommodations are, the trash decided to use it as an excuse to go after Muslims.
But instead of approaching the topic with calm and rational discussion on where the appropriate accommodations are, the trash decided to use it as an excuse to go after Muslims.
Only Catholic High schools are required to allow non-Catholics students in (as part of getting public funding). Catholic schools are allowed to deny non-Catholic students entry to elementary schools and are allowed to deny non-Catholics employment.
(And yes, I think that of Catholics want their own schools they should have to pay for them like every other religious group)
As you've put in quotations, the word "accommodate" is ambiguous. It could mean many things. For example, it could mean that you allow a religion to take over your entire society. Is that not accommodation? Or it could mean that you accept people from all faiths into your institution without prejudice against the fact that they may be of certain religions.
It does not say that you grant them space within a public institution in which to worship whatever self imagined stone age deity that they believe is righteous.
If nothing else it demonstrates that it's high time that all religious accommodation be removed from the constitution from top to bottom. A true separation of church and state. The madness of accommodation has gone too far and this is why you are seeing the rise of various populist politicians around the world and even in Canada (for example, the Quebec Charter of values).
I'm sure both you and I would say many, many things that would piss off a Women's Studies undergrad class. But in this case, I wouldn't need to say it. I would just give them the links for the judicial decisions and the Charter of Rights.
They could go read the materials themselves and then have a protest march where they dress up and chant slogans.
Well, go propose a constitutional amendment to parliament.
Alternately, go tell all those devout Quebec and Ontario-Irish Catholic judges and all those devout Jewish judges that their religion is garbage. I'll be waiting in the court house cafeteria where those judges won't see me when they get really, really angry at you.
I do not believe that tearing up a Koran, or treading on its pages was a very dignified thing to do. You can make your point without resorting to that level of stupidity. By doing so, you just lost me.
HOWEVER,
Regardless of how Oarge is interpreting religious accommodation in the Constitution, I do not agree that public schools should be accommodating any religions. Not one bit. Public schools are supposed to be secular and if one minority or majority don't like that, then I would suggest that you look elsewhere for your child's education.
Now, that being said, there is this 500 pound gorilla in the classroom called "The Catholic School Board" in Ontario which receives full funding from the province. The obvious question is, "if you fund a Catholic school board, then why do you not fund a Muslim or Jewish School board?" And they would have a good point. To that I answer, well, either defund the Catholic School Board (which would be political suicide), or, better yet, kill 2 birds with one stone.
Instead of the "Catholic School Board", make it the "Ontario All Religions School Board". Everyone who figures that their precious little child should receive religious accommodation / education in school can send their precious and special children there. Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Pastafarians, Temple Priapus whatever floats your boat. Everyone gets to have their own religion inside this Religious School Board and get accommodated all they want. They can teach the Koran or the Holy Catholic bible, or the Talmud 5 days a week. Knock yourselves out. Hell, never mind teaching math, literature, science, arts, history et al. Just teach religion, or as much religion as you see fit.
That way, everyone is happy.
I don't want my kids learning anything about religion in school as I consider it a waste of valuable time when they need to be learning about real subjects, not man made voo doo and mysticism from the stone age. In fact, I don't even want them to be exposed to any religious whack jobs period. I don't want them to hear chanting, or praying or singing. I want the school to welcome everyone regardless of their religion and not have religion be part of anything to do with that school ever. I and the vast majority of Canadians deserve to be accommodated too.
HOWEVER,
Regardless of how Oarge is interpreting religious accommodation in the Constitution, I do not agree that public schools should be accommodating any religions. Not one bit. Public schools are supposed to be secular and if one minority or majority don't like that, then I would suggest that you look elsewhere for your child's education.
Now, that being said, there is this 500 pound gorilla in the classroom called "The Catholic School Board" in Ontario which receives full funding from the province. The obvious question is, "if you fund a Catholic school board, then why do you not fund a Muslim or Jewish School board?" And they would have a good point. To that I answer, well, either defund the Catholic School Board (which would be political suicide), or, better yet, kill 2 birds with one stone.
Instead of the "Catholic School Board", make it the "Ontario All Religions School Board". Everyone who figures that their precious little child should receive religious accommodation / education in school can send their precious and special children there. Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Pastafarians, Temple Priapus whatever floats your boat. Everyone gets to have their own religion inside this Religious School Board and get accommodated all they want. They can teach the Koran or the Holy Catholic bible, or the Talmud 5 days a week. Knock yourselves out. Hell, never mind teaching math, literature, science, arts, history et al. Just teach religion, or as much religion as you see fit.
That way, everyone is happy.
I don't want my kids learning anything about religion in school as I consider it a waste of valuable time when they need to be learning about real subjects, not man made voo doo and mysticism from the stone age. In fact, I don't even want them to be exposed to any religious whack jobs period. I don't want them to hear chanting, or praying or singing. I want the school to welcome everyone regardless of their religion and not have religion be part of anything to do with that school ever. I and the vast majority of Canadians deserve to be accommodated too.
My Hometown Fanatics: Stacey Dooley Investigates (Muslim Extremists - EDL - Luton, Britain)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4K4okVa7dU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUA1bgBM3SU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps
Must See! Crazy European Immigration Crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4K4okVa7dU
Ex-Muslim Woman Confronts Trudeau "Jihadi Justin, You're a Traitor''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUA1bgBM3SU
There's basically three ways to think about secularism: agnostic, athiest, and inclusive.
You are promoting an athiest approach: schools should actively repress and discourage any kind of religious behavior. I don't think schools or governement should EVER repress people's beliefs.
I would suggest instead an agnostic approach: schools themselves stay completely away from religious behavior themselves but tolerate any display of religion by students, provided students don't impose on one another.
However pure an idea that is, though, it has some serious negatives. Here in the US there's a stupid thing happening where cities can no longer have public "Christmas trees" in winter. They have to be "holiday trees" and everyone has to pretend it has nothing to do with Christmas.
I think that's stupid.
I would rather see the city celebrate ALL the major religions. There should be public recognition of them all, and these should be opportunities for people to get to know each other's traditions.
I'd call that an inclusive approach and I think it's best. That way we can still have our Christmas trees.
On this topic, invite every religion to have its own club and organize activities and even make it a mission of that club to explain itself to others. Let there be Bible study groups and prayer groups, provided that they are organized by students.
^^^ Your proposal is a step backwards. Actually, it's a marathon backwards.
Religion will weave its tentacles into every aspect of our lives if you so much as give it an inch. We can see that even now in the USA where belief in science and evolution is under attack by religious whack jobs at every turn in the USA. Something like 50% of Americans believe the bible literally. In Poland, the Catholic church has essentially taken over. Even the founding fathers of the United States were very skeptical with respect to religion. There is not a single mention of God in the US constitution. It wasn't by mistake, it was on purpose.
Religion is all fine and dandy when confined to the church, synagogue, mosques, and temples of the world. I have no quarrel with that. But it ends there in my opinion.
School should be about learning the fundamentals of what will support you in life - math, science, literature, art, trades, etc. Leave my soul up to the witch doctors should I so choose.
Religion will weave its tentacles into every aspect of our lives if you so much as give it an inch. We can see that even now in the USA where belief in science and evolution is under attack by religious whack jobs at every turn in the USA. Something like 50% of Americans believe the bible literally. In Poland, the Catholic church has essentially taken over. Even the founding fathers of the United States were very skeptical with respect to religion. There is not a single mention of God in the US constitution. It wasn't by mistake, it was on purpose.
Religion is all fine and dandy when confined to the church, synagogue, mosques, and temples of the world. I have no quarrel with that. But it ends there in my opinion.
School should be about learning the fundamentals of what will support you in life - math, science, literature, art, trades, etc. Leave my soul up to the witch doctors should I so choose.
