Audi R8 v Porsche 911 Carrera GTS?
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It really depend on what you want.
Porsch 911
Awesome handling.
Daily driver
Year around driving.
More low key. Get enough attention on the street but not too over the top
Meant to be driven, put lots of KM on it.
extra 2 seat in the back come handy sometime
Audi R8
More exotic.
Turn more heads on the street.
Not great as daily driver.
Good for occasional driving.
Good as a second car
So if you really enjoy driving and want to use it a lot, Porsche is the way to go. If you want more attention on the street and occasional use, R8 is great.
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Both the Porsche 911 and the Audi R8 have jump seats in the back but it is there for insurance purposes just to say it is a 4 seater and reduce premiums.extra 2 seat in the back come handy sometime
So if you really enjoy driving and want to use it a lot, Porsche is the way to go.
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Driving a sports/luxury car is not only a privileged but a responsibility. A sports/luxury car is a commodity to induce pleasure and enjoyment. It depreciates and requires maintenance like any other car. Only in the extreme rarest cases is it an investment, if it is a commodity that will appreciate then lock it away and not drive it.
Personally if I am paying for the car myself the lowest of the Porsche 911 range ( 911 Carrera $102,200 ) will do just fine. Going higher on the range will only get you racing features that will not enhance your daily driving pleasures. The Carrera 911 GTS gets you carbon fiber panels and thinner window glass to reduce weight, other than bragging rights these extras does nothing for the average street driver. From the lowest of the 911 range to the 911 GTS there is a $34,000 saving that you could put towards your next Porsche. The two cars look almost identical on the street. You may impress one or two more people out of 100,000 but if I purchase a Porsche I am only out to impress one guy. He sits in the drivers seat.
Both cars are a waste of money here with our ridiculously low speed limits, bad roads, heavy congestion, bad drivers (old Chinese ladies) and rust producing winters.
If you live in Miami or LA and have $ to burn then go for it.
JMHO - don't flame me
If you live in Miami or LA and have $ to burn then go for it.
JMHO - don't flame me
I believe that when buying a pure enthusiast car, only you can answer that question for yourself.
Considering price, a more appropriate comparison would be R8 ($184K CDN) or 911 Turbo ($181K) - but the Porsche can approach $200K+ with a few mandatory options. A 911 Carrera GTS starts at $136K. I would go with the 911 Turbo because I value performance ahead of image, although both cars deliver plenty in both categories. I'd pick the R8 over the GTS.
The numbers:
The 911 Turbo is quicker: 0-60 in 2.6 sec vs 2.9 and quarter mile in 10.6/131 vs 10.9/129
The 911 Turbo stops faster (70-0): 139ft vs 153
The 911 turbo pulls more Gs on the skidpad: 1.06g vs 1.0
The Turbo is faster in the slalom: 48.1mph vs 47.4
The Turbo is 120lbs lighter
The Turbo get much better gas mileage (LOL)
http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...570s-2017-porsche-911-turbo-s-comparison-test
Driveability:
I have allot of experience with the 1986 Turbo and 1997 Turbo. The Turbo can be driven sedately in heavy traffic all day and then be raced on the track all night. It will be 100% reliable, never overheat, be predictable (less so the 86), be comfortable, good visibility, easy to park, provide every convenience, the 4WD system is great in all conditions and it gets decent gas mileage. When you give it the gas or go into a turn, it's JUST AMAZING - even an average driver (like myself) can get a lot out of that car and it "feels" so good. It doesn't just outperform 98% of other cars, it shreds them.
I've only driven an R8 once for about 20 minutes and since it was a friends, I couldn't really juice it. The overall feel is closer to a race car than the 911. Although it's numbers aren't as good, it feels faster, it responds faster and it gives more feedback. It feels more like a fighter jet than the 911. People definitely look at it more than the 911. It sounds great. Daily drivability is definitely poorer, visibility is poorer, it's hard to park because you can't see close to the car, it's less calm, it requires more effort and attention to drive (but that's what allot of enthusiasts value) . The car feels like it's on rails and it always wants to "go".
Be Aware:
Both cars are shockley reliable even when constantly driven hard. However maintenance is CRAZY expensive and parts are INSANELY expensive. You can't take either car to your reliable neighbour mechanic and they are so complex and packaged so tight, you can't buy the tools and learn to do it yourself (I tried). You need to be rich to keep these cars. I bought the 911s to drive for the summer and then flip, the demand is so high that selling them for a profit was a snap.
In summary, if you are looking for a jet fighter that will thrill you and garner much attention, the R8 is a great choice. If you want an even faster car that can be driven every day and is easier to drive at the limit, the Turbo is the way to go.
Considering price, a more appropriate comparison would be R8 ($184K CDN) or 911 Turbo ($181K) - but the Porsche can approach $200K+ with a few mandatory options. A 911 Carrera GTS starts at $136K. I would go with the 911 Turbo because I value performance ahead of image, although both cars deliver plenty in both categories. I'd pick the R8 over the GTS.
The numbers:
The 911 Turbo is quicker: 0-60 in 2.6 sec vs 2.9 and quarter mile in 10.6/131 vs 10.9/129
The 911 Turbo stops faster (70-0): 139ft vs 153
The 911 turbo pulls more Gs on the skidpad: 1.06g vs 1.0
The Turbo is faster in the slalom: 48.1mph vs 47.4
The Turbo is 120lbs lighter
The Turbo get much better gas mileage (LOL)
http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...570s-2017-porsche-911-turbo-s-comparison-test
Driveability:
I have allot of experience with the 1986 Turbo and 1997 Turbo. The Turbo can be driven sedately in heavy traffic all day and then be raced on the track all night. It will be 100% reliable, never overheat, be predictable (less so the 86), be comfortable, good visibility, easy to park, provide every convenience, the 4WD system is great in all conditions and it gets decent gas mileage. When you give it the gas or go into a turn, it's JUST AMAZING - even an average driver (like myself) can get a lot out of that car and it "feels" so good. It doesn't just outperform 98% of other cars, it shreds them.
I've only driven an R8 once for about 20 minutes and since it was a friends, I couldn't really juice it. The overall feel is closer to a race car than the 911. Although it's numbers aren't as good, it feels faster, it responds faster and it gives more feedback. It feels more like a fighter jet than the 911. People definitely look at it more than the 911. It sounds great. Daily drivability is definitely poorer, visibility is poorer, it's hard to park because you can't see close to the car, it's less calm, it requires more effort and attention to drive (but that's what allot of enthusiasts value) . The car feels like it's on rails and it always wants to "go".
Be Aware:
Both cars are shockley reliable even when constantly driven hard. However maintenance is CRAZY expensive and parts are INSANELY expensive. You can't take either car to your reliable neighbour mechanic and they are so complex and packaged so tight, you can't buy the tools and learn to do it yourself (I tried). You need to be rich to keep these cars. I bought the 911s to drive for the summer and then flip, the demand is so high that selling them for a profit was a snap.
In summary, if you are looking for a jet fighter that will thrill you and garner much attention, the R8 is a great choice. If you want an even faster car that can be driven every day and is easier to drive at the limit, the Turbo is the way to go.
What year? Legal or grey-market? Have you thought about putting an intercooler on it (assuming your year didn't have one)? Expensive, but the performance improvement is staggering.
I had a grey 3.3L 86 Turbo. The acceleration was amazing! Mine was slightly modified and did 0-60 in 5.4 seconds (stock was 5.9-6.1) depending on what magazine you read. Back then that was amazing, but by today's standards that's pretty lame, 20% of today's cars can out-accelerate it. The handling was very good, until the turbo kicked in and then either you got lucky and the car went where you wanted or in some cases the front and rear inverted -it could be a scary car and even experienced race drivers could lose control. I loved the simplicity and smallness of the car. I loved the whaletail, wide rear bodywork and dash. I LOVED the sound of the engine. Turbo lag was annoying.
I know Porsche enthusiasts prefer air over water and understand why. But there's only so much horsepower you can get in a air cooled motor in such small engine compartment packaging. My 97 Turbo 993 added 4WD, twin turbo, intercooling, variable cam timing, more gears, new rear suspension, and it still had an awesome whaletail. 0-60 was 3.7 seconds. The 97 could beat the 86 in every measure .... except sound, simplicity, small size and overall "feel" and these are indeed important factors.
You couldn't be more wrong. Talking just daily driving:
1) Each step-up in model gets more horsepower. More power is ALWAYS good and only a weenie would claim otherwards. There is nothing more satisfying than acceleration. More power also helps handling when used by a skilled driver.
2) Each step-up in model gets suspension and tire tweaks. A GTS definitely handles better than a base 911 even on the street, even for a lesser skilled driver. A GT3 is that much better.
3) The difference between a 4WD model and a 2WD model is night and day. The performance envelope is that much larger.
4) TURBO. Just the word makes me giddy. When you floor a Turbo and see other cars shrink in your rearview mirror, nothing else in life matters. When you get rammed back in your seat, nothing else matters. The scripted "Turbo" on the car's butt is a battle cry.
5) Lightened models. Many people value handling dynamics and feedback and this is where the lightened 911s shine. Whether it be an on-ramp or a windy road these cars reward the driver with mile-wide smiles.
6) Performance options. Porsche offers a ton of (crazy expensive) performance options including ceramic brakes, "S" upgrades, tuned suspensions, performance exhausts, optimized gear ratios, tire upgrades and body improvements. All will return measureable improvements to the driver
Anyway, I can't realistically afford a new 911, let alone a GTS or Turbo. I bought both mine used and I knew the 97 needed major transmission work ($6K). I have been looking at buying a 2014/15 Cayman S or maybe another older Turbo.
I know, those numbers are indeed staggering! And it's not just 0-60, it has soooo much torque available at any speed that it can out-accelerate almost any car or motorcycle on the road.
But have you ever driven one? The car makes no "music - it's silent. Handling is not bad, but it's not really meant for that. Certainly it's an amazing car, but it just doesn't light a fire in my soul, it's boring. I see one on the road and I couldn't care less. When I see an old American muscle car or British/Italian sports car, I stop and stare and will talk up the owner for hours.
I think the near future for super-cars for enthusiasts will be hybrids like the Porsche 918. 0-60 in 2.2 (rumoured to have now broken 2 seconds). I've not seen one in-person, but from TV and magazine reports it's one incredible car. I love the look of flames from the top mounted exhausts.
Now this is a Porsche worth talking about.
I know, those numbers are indeed staggering! And it's not just 0-60, it has soooo much torque available at any speed that it can out-accelerate almost any car or motorcycle on the road.
But have you ever driven one? The car makes no "music - it's silent. Handling is not bad, but it's not really meant for that. Certainly it's an amazing car, but it just doesn't light a fire in my soul, it's boring. I see one on the road and I couldn't care less. When I see an old American muscle car or British/Italian sports car, I stop and stare and will talk up the owner for hours.
I think the near future for super-cars for enthusiasts will be hybrids like the Porsche 918. 0-60 in 2.2 (rumoured to have now broken 2 seconds). I've not seen one in-person, but from TV and magazine reports it's one incredible car. I love the look of flames from the top mounted exhausts.
Only good in a straight line.
Not the fastest either.
http://driving.ca/auto-news/news/top-10-fastest-production-cars-from-zero-to-60-mph
I agree it's different, showing off a Tesla is more like showing off a $150k iPhone than a car. But it does deliver that acceleration and does it in a $150k vehicle. The cars that seem to come close to it look to be three to five times that price.I know, those numbers are indeed staggering! And it's not just 0-60, it has soooo much torque available at any speed that it can out-accelerate almost any car or motorcycle on the road.
But have you ever driven one? The car makes no "music - it's silent. Handling is not bad, but it's not really meant for that. Certainly it's an amazing car, but it just doesn't light a fire in my soul, it's boring. I see one on the road and I couldn't care less. When I see an old American muscle car or British/Italian sports car, I stop and stare and will talk up the owner for hours.
I think the near future for super-cars for enthusiasts will be hybrids like the Porsche 918. 0-60 in 2.2 (rumoured to have now broken 2 seconds). I've not seen one in-person, but from TV and magazine reports it's one incredible car. I love the look of flames from the top mounted exhausts.
Certainly not for everyone.
Electric engines are still in their early days and the technology is rapidly improving. I don't expect IC engines to keep up with electric. The physics heavily favor an electric drive train whether it's powered by a battery or by an IC engine that serves only as an electric generator.
In the end there are people who still love their Model T antique cars and though they won't be the fastest I guess there will always be those who like their beefed up IC engine cars.
Couldn't agree more, I used to own an Alfa Romeo Spider. It was awesome but would fishtail like crazy at the first sign of frost and it became a rust magnet.
Great car for those warm summer days without rain.
You pay more and you will get more, like I said the lower end 911 is what will do it for me. No need for carbon fiber brake disk.
The old Panamera is ugly, the new one looks good. There is also a smaller version of the Panamera coming soon
Your last statement is summed up very well. You're right. lol'd @ The scripted "Turbo" on the car's butt is a battle cry.
But aesthetically speaking and I can't believe I'm falling for it, the R8 has this ridiculously sexy look to it, but the 911 can be driven around more practically.
