The military occupiers are in charge of keeping the occupation going, not the victims.Maybe you should be complaining about Hamas ....
The occupation protects Israeli victims from Palestinian aggression. It exists because of armed Arab aggression against Israel, and it continues because it keeps a lid on Palestinian attacks.The military occupiers are in charge of keeping the occupation going, not the victims.
Your PM campaigned on never letting the two state solution happen while he was in power.
And now that only 4 of 20 Israeli MP's running the country support the two state solution and the PM promised not to let it happen, its dead.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.727431
Its not Hamas stopping the two state solution.
They haven't built a single settlement.
I'm sure your opinions are interesting to you but they don't further any real progress unless they are based on documented evidence. These discussions would me much more productive and honest if you produce your sources.The clear majority of Palestinian attacks are on civilian targets. They are not included in any definition of self defense. And even the atatcks on Israeli military are in no way productive and only serve to worsen the lives of Palestinians.
The role of the Israeli military, even before Israel existed has been to stop Arab attacks. If there were no attacks then there would have been no Haganah. The conquest of the West Bank and Gaza was because of endless attacks on Israeli towns and a declaration of war by the Arab leadership. Israel has since signed peace deals with two of those countries and the only reason Israel return the land is Jordan (and Egypt) didn't want the land back.
And the occupation will continue until there is someone amongst the Palestinians willing to accept a permanent peace deal.
p.s. Your 'transfer of population comments seem clueless in your claim that Israel, the occupying power, doesn't have the right to put Palestinian prisoners into jail.
No Palestinians were transferred out of the occupied territories.On the transfer of Palestinians out of the occupied territories:
Whether or not that's true depends on where the border is. There isn't agreement on that, only that it shall be negotiated.On the transfer of Israeli's into the occupied territories:
"The occupying power must not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian
population into the territory it occupies."
I bolded the part that makes the guy who rammed a truck into soldiers a terrorist. He did not distinguish himself from civilians. Similarly people do not have a right to hurl stones and firebombs.As to the right of resistance;
"After effective occupation of territory, members of the territory’s armed
forces who have not surrendered, organized resistance movements and
genuine national liberation movements may resist the occupation. If they
do so, they must distinguish themselves from the civilian population, or
on the basis of GP I, at least carry their weapons openly during attacks
and deployments."
I have to correct you and confirm that Israel has transferred Palestinians out of the Occupied Territories and into Israel in violation of the Geneva Convention.Hi Gryfin. As usual you are dishonest:
No Palestinians were transferred out of the occupied territories.
Whether or not that's true depends on where the border is. There isn't agreement on that, only that it shall be negotiated.
I bolded the part that makes the guy who rammed a truck into soldiers a terrorist. He did not distinguish himself from civilians. Similarly people do not have a right to hurl stones and firebombs.
And obviously those who do dress as militia do not have any right to attack settlers or Israeli civilians. For example the Hamas rocket fire is illegal.
By the way, gryfin, why did you change your handle? The old one so thoroughly discredited that it's not useful anymore?
There's no GC prohibition on where criminals can be held in prisons, gryfin.I have to correct you and confirm that Israel has transferred Palestinians out of the Occupied Territories and into Israel in violation of the Geneva Convention.
"Until the early 1990s, Palestinian prisoners were held in detention facilities in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Since then, most of them are deported to prisons and detention centres on Israeli territory[48"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_of_Israel
Israel has agreed to borders and you have seen their agreement. As I said, this truth changes the narrative and makes what you are saying meaningless.
Already addressed by the Geneva conventions:There's no GC prohibition on where criminals can be held in prisons, gryfin.
You are once again just doing your stupid clown dance.
It is amazing how you continually find excuses for Hamas refusing to even negotiate.The military occupiers are in charge of keeping the occupation going, not the victims.
My PM never even came close. Since you feel the need to pretend I'm Jewish/Israeli it is only fair that I start referring to Hamas as YOUR government.Your PM campaigned on never letting the two state solution happen while he was in power.
Yep, Hamas committing two major terror attacks last summer and refusing to negotiate aren't barriers to peace but Israel building houses inside existing settlements is. Wow are you immoral.Its not Hamas stopping the two state solution.
They haven't built a single settlement.
Are you really doubting the regular occurrence of Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians? Wow. I had thought you were a reasoned person who I could accept a difference of opinion with but now you are showing your true colours.I'm sure your opinions are interesting to you but they don't further any real progress unless they are based on documented evidence.
Now you are trying to portray Israel locking up prisoners as a crime against humanity? That is a new low.I have to correct you and confirm that Israel has transferred Palestinians out of the Occupied Territories and into Israel in violation of the Geneva Convention.
"Until the early 1990s, Palestinian prisoners were held in detention facilities in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Since then, most of them are deported to prisons and detention centres on Israeli territory[48"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_of_Israel
Israel has agreed to borders and you have seen their agreement. As I said, this truth changes the narrative and makes what you are saying meaningless.
Continue with that pathetic crap. Fact is the Arab states and Palestinian leaders chose war over that agreement. The UN considers the Green Line as the basis for negotiating a border but obviously you know better :der:...
Israel has agreed to borders and you have seen their agreement.....
Again.It is amazing how you continually find excuses for Hamas refusing to even negotiate.
Now that you've stated you accept the work of B'teselem, are you also prepared to accept their findings on Israeli actions?The whole B'Tselem statement.
Incarcerating criminals isn't forced transfer of a population. You say really stupid things.Already addressed by the Geneva conventions:
Palestinians out of the occupied territories:
"Individual or mass forcible transfers and deportations of the civilian
population from occupied territory are prohibited."
This is addressed by the Geneva conventions:Incarcerating criminals isn't forced transfer of a population. You say really stupid things.
Being transferred out of the occupied territories to Israel is a crime against humanity. 7000 Palestinians are in Israeli jails.Now you are trying to portray Israel locking up prisoners as a crime against humanity? That is a new low.
Being thrown in jail is NOT deportation or population transfer.
I have to be honest. I'm having some trouble with this for a number of reasons. Perhaps you can allay my concerns.Are you really doubting the regular occurrence of Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians? Wow. I had thought you were a reasoned person who I could accept a difference of opinion with but now you are showing your true colours.
Even B'Tselem documents the illegality of Palestinian attacks against Israeli civilians.
http://www.btselem.org/israeli_civilians
Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Palestinian/Pages/Wave-of-terror-October-2015.aspx
That's BC spreading his propaganda, don't mind him.I have to be honest. I'm having some trouble with this for a number of reasons. Perhaps you can allay my concerns.
First, since you are citing and producing B'Tselem documents as factual, are you prepared to accept the fact that they also document what they perceive as crimes against Palestinians by Israel as well as Israeli violations of the Geneva Convention as factual?
Second, B'Tselem keeps accurate statistics of civilians killed and military members killed. Why not use them as a source?
Third, I looked at your Israeli government source and I had problems immediately. Here's why:
"8 January 2017
Jerusalem, Armon Hanatziv neighbourhood: A truck driven by a terrorist left the road, accelerated and ran over a group of young people who had just gotten off of a bus at the Armon Hanatziv promenade in Jerusalem. The attack occurred shortly after 1 pm. Four young people (3 women and one man in their 20s) were killed and over 11 injured. Soldiers in the group and a civilian bystander shot and killed the driver (28, from the nearby Jabel Mukaber neighborhood) as he turned around and backed up to run over the victims again. The injured (one very critically, several seriously and the rest moderately to lightly) were taken to hospital."
This government description calls the people killed in the most recent attack "a group of young people"..giving the deliberate false impression of civilians when in fact they were soldiers and as such, legitimate targets of resistance.
Given this, why not rely on B'Tselem and we can have an accurate picture of killings on both sides.
Its all part of the program.That's BC spreading his propaganda, don't mind him.
And as long as Hamas chooses to attack civilians for a racist, genocidal goal they should be considered cockroaches.
Hamas deserves to be slaughtered.
Language matters, basketcase is very specific in his incorrect use of the word 'terrorist'.Do you think Hamas is biologically inclined to terrorism or is it a choice?
