Fidel Castro just kicked the bucket

Insidious Von

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No I'm not misinformed. you should look at American propaganda with a critical eye.

Communism does not reward merit nor tolerate political dissent. Still Cuban migration is but a trickle compared to the PRC brain drain. And it's a drop in the ocean compared to what the Italian Coast Guard is dealing with, saving migrants coming from North Africa.
 

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https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/cuba
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154501.htm
http://time.com/4328391/cuba-human-rights/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba#Political_executions
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...-executions-freedoms-censorship-a7440636.html


Fidel was "a great man" my ass.

He might have had a bunch of people beaten, imprisoned and executed for political reasons but at least he gave a bunch of good little commies that were too fearful to speak out, healthcare! :Eek:
 

Insidious Von

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And those of you calling Trudeau a Commie are not paying attention.

When the Chinese Prime Minister visited Canada he tried to bully Trudeau into deporting Chinese dissenters living in Canada. The Prime Minister told him to take a walk.
 

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PM Justin Trudeau ridiculed over praise of 'remarkable' Fidel Castro

"Justin Trudeau, the Canadian prime minister, has been mocked and criticised over his praise of the late Cuban leader Fidel Castro.
He called Castro “larger than life” and “a legendary revolutionary and orator”.

The statement spawned the Twitter hashtag #TrudeauEulogies, which quickly began trending as people emulated Trudeau’s upbeat tone and lack of criticism.

“While controversial, Darth Vader achieved great heights in space construction and played a formative role in his son’s life,” tweeted @markusoff



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...iculed-over-praise-of-remarkable-fidel-castro
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-retracts-barbaric-remarks-1.985386
https://twitter.com/hashtag/trudeaueulogies
 

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Fidel Castro's revolutionary life and legacy

Published time: 26 Nov, 2016 14:52
Edited time: 26 Nov, 2016 19:58

Fidel Castro dedicated his life to resisting empire and the ocean of injustice and oppression inflicted in its name. His death marks the end of the man, and the birth of a legend that will endure for centuries to come.
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Such is the legacy that Fidel leaves behind it is impossible to fully comprehend the sheer magnitude of the role he played in breaking the chains of millions across the Third World, both literally and figuratively, in defiance of the racist conceit of apologists for imperialism. From leading a**revolution**in 1959**that succeeded against the odds in toppling the pro-Washington dictator, Fulgencio Batista, he went on to not only make history but mold and shape it thereafter.
When at 30 he first came to world prominence as leader of the Cuban Revolution, rolling into Havana on a captured tank under a blazing Caribbean sun, the long beards, hair, and anarchic energy and courage that he and his comrades carried cemented their place as harbingers of a new chapter in the development of the much maligned Global South. With daring, courage, and belief, they proved it was possible to break the chains of exploitation, injustice, and degradation that had scarred the lives of so many generations before them, forging in their place a future of justice, human solidarity, and dignity.

In 1959, Dwight D. Eisenhower was sitting in the White House and Barack Obama’s birth still lay two years ahead. Ten**US presidents and many assassination attempts could not defeat Fidel Castro**– this over the course of a life during which he remained a man of unflinching principle and indomitable will in his commitment to the ideals that drove him and his comrades to emancipate the Cuban people from the economic and geopolitical clutches of Washington.
Evidence that the flame of defiance and revolution never went out despite his advancing years was provided by the rebuke he delivered to Obama in response to his address to the Cuban leadership and people during his state visit to the island earlier this year. Fidel’s reply to the President’s patronizing lecture on democracy and human rights came by way of a 1,500-word letter in the country’s official newspaper, the ‘Granma.’ In it, he reminded the Cuban people, Obama, and the world at large of the history of mendacity that had informed not only Washington’s relations with Cuba, but also Africa, where Obama traces his own ancestral origins.

As Castro wrote: “Nobody should be under the illusion that the people of this dignified and selfless country will renounce the glory, the rights, or the spiritual wealth they have gained with the development of education, science and culture.” He went on, “I also warn that we are capable of producing the food and material riches we need with the efforts and intelligence of our people. We do not need the empire to give us anything.”

Even towards the end of his life, he was under no illusions when it came to rapprochement with Washington. How could he after his long experience of its role in trampling the rights, lives, and dignity of millions of human beings, the vast majority of them people of color, across the world? How could he retreat for a moment from his unwavering stance against imperialism and the slavery it had inflicted on its victims?
The magnitude of the shadow that Fidel cast over global events for half a century is testament to the fierce attachment to internationalism that underpinned his worldview. No greater tribute was there to that internationalism than Cuba’s role in defeating apartheid in South Africa. Though conveniently omitted from the official history of the anti-apartheid struggle that predominates in the West, the truth of Fidel Castro and Cuba’s indispensable role cannot be denied. Indeed, none other than Nelson Mandela went to his grave saluting**it.

As Mandela said when he visited the island in 1991, just a few weeks after being released from captivity on Robben Island: “The Cuban people hold a special place in the hearts of the people of Africa. The Cuban internationalists have made a contribution to African independence, freedom, and justice unparalleled for its principled and selfless character.”

The deployment of thousands of Cuban troops to Angola in the 1970s and 80s, their success in breaking the myth of white supremacy in confronting and defeating US and Western supported apartheid South African troops, stands as one of the most powerful examples of international solidarity the world has witnessed.
In truth, there are so many examples of Fidel’s unwavering stance in solidarity with the oppressed against their oppressors that it would take an entire book to list them all. Kwame Nkrumah, Patrice Lumumba, Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Camilo Cienfuegos, Bobby Sands, Ben Bella – the roll call of legendary revolutionaries and freedom fighters who have come and gone in Fidel’s lifetime marks by itself a tribute to his legacy, and the tempestuous period he lived through.
Yet, perhaps the most important aspect of Fidel’s legacy is the way he transformed the lives of millions of Cubans in the realms of education, healthcare, and sustainable development, albeit truncated by a decades-long US trade embargo**inflicted on the island and its people with the objective of bringing it to its knees. However, even through the ‘special period’**of the 1990s, when after the demise of the Soviet Union, Cuba stood alone as a socialist country and society in a sea of global capitalism, the revolution survived.
That it did was testament to the society it had produced, one in which its people understand the difference between sharing what you have left over, and sharing what you have.
“A revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the past,” Fidel once memorably said. Though the man has died, the ideas for which he struggled and to which he dedicated his life will undoubtedly live on, not just in Cuba but anywhere imperialism and the exploitation of the weak by the strong is a fact of life.
Though his detractors may celebrate his death, truth will always prevail. And the truth, when it comes to Fidel Castro, is that he led and inspired a revolution that today ensures the only place you will find homeless Cuban children in the world is Miami.
Not only did the Cuban Revolution give life to millions in Cuba and throughout the Third World, it gave millions a reason to live.
That was, and remains, the beauty of it. And it was, and will, always remain the beauty of Fidel Castro.
 

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It is possible to listen and admire him without agreeing with him.

He was a man of great fortitude, passion and character who, for better or worse, changed the face of Latin America and the world. He might have done a great deal more for the poor people of the Third World if America had not thrown him under the bus. And he did not rob the people to enrich himself as so many other "world leaders" have done.

To me, he was a great revolutionary figure who never chose the expedient over principle...

And even while disagreeing with him, it is also possible to agree with him in many specific issues: he was totally right about American imperialism, its ugly and oppressive capitalism and its direct, military and clandestine interference in the affairs of Latin countries...

While I cannot close my eyes to Fidel's violence, neither can I close my eyes to the even greater violence perpetrated by the CIA and other US military/secret/intelligence agencies.

Perry
 

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And he did not rob the people to enrich himself as so many other "world leaders" have done.

Perry
sure he did. A few years ago, Forbes magazine estimated Castro’s fortune in at least 900 million dollars. Many of those who are familiar with the dictator’s business believe that Forbes was too conservative.
The Cuban dictator ran Cuba as if it was his own farm and the 11 million poor Cubans were his slaves.
http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=74
 

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You been on Terb a long time, and I respect you Toke.

But how exactly is this a bad thing?! :confused:


Key point right here.

Extreme socialism doesnt work, no matter how hard Michael Moore wants it to work
Do you think the U.S. embargo gave extreme socialism a chance? Meanwhile, how is Haiti doing...LOL
 

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Justin pays respect to the man who helped his father deal with the FLQ crisis and the anglo bloodlust that would have torn the country apart.

It was surprising that Fidel would not meet with Justin when he was in Cuba last week. Now we know why.
 

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Reading PM Justin's reaction and comments I am embarrassed as a Canadian.
You Conservative hacks just can't to criticize. I suppose you would have preferred to see Batista in power Castro saved the Cuban people from him. But neither Canada or USA would support Castro of Cuba in any way after the revolution.


Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[4] Batista's increasingly corrupt and repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with the American Mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large US-based multinationals who were awarded lucrative contracts.[4][5] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions; ultimately killing anywhere from hundreds to 20,000 people.[6][7][8] For several years until 1959, the Batista government received financial, military, and logistical support from the United States.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista
 

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Well, now that Fidel is dead, it's time for Cuba to join the 21st century. I'm sure there are American hoteliers that are salivating to get into Cuba. I'm not saying it's going to return to the headonistic days when the mob was running things and was a red light paradise but we've all heard stories of how $ accommodating $ Cuban ladies are. I'm sure it will return to somewhat of its racy days. The people may be well educated but when the national GNP is so fuckable...

Just saying headonistic times are coming back, for you Latin lovers. History always repeats itself.
 

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Do you think the U.S. embargo gave extreme socialism a chance? Meanwhile, how is Haiti doing...LOL
How is Puerto Rico doing?? Quite well actually.

They had a bit of recession recently, but overall the economy of Puerto Rico is classified as a high income economy and as the most competitive economy in Latin America by the World Economic Forum
 

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We thought that of Obama as well, yet here we are. And Trump wants to codify waterboarding. So it remains to be seen what he will do. But as President, it is 100% certain he will kill people. When the CIA has tried to assassinate you 50 times I think some sort of paranoia is excusable. It is the US that IMHO played a bigger part in creating this climate. Let us not forget that it was the US that was willing to destroy the entire planet over missiles in Cuba. Within a very short time SLBMs were developed that represented and even GREATER threat then missiles in Cuba... yet the world was almost obliterated because of American paranoia.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113590852154334404

No matter what some liberal lefties think of Trump, he doesn't imprison or murder his political opponents. Hilary Clinton is still talking and walking free.
 

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You Conservative hacks just can't to criticize. I suppose you would have preferred to see Batista in power Castro saved the Cuban people from him. But neither Canada or USA would support Castro of Cuba in any way after the revolution.


Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[4] Batista's increasingly corrupt and repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with the American Mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large US-based multinationals who were awarded lucrative contracts.[4][5] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions; ultimately killing anywhere from hundreds to 20,000 people.[6][7][8] For several years until 1959, the Batista government received financial, military, and logistical support from the United States.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista


Trading one psychotic tyrannical dictator for another. Sorry you fail.
 
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