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Famous Russian aircraft designer Ivan Mikoyan, co-creator of iconic MiG-29, dies aged 89

Ivan Mikoyan, Russian aircraft designer and one of the minds behind the MiG-29 fighter jet, the staple of the Soviet and Russian Air Forces, has died at the age of 89.
Mikoyan spent the majority of his career as a leading engineer at the 'MiG' Aircraft Corporation's design bureau, which was founded by his uncle Artyom Mikoyan.
 

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Famous Russian aircraft designer Ivan Mikoyan, co-creator of iconic MiG-29, dies aged 89

Ivan Mikoyan, Russian aircraft designer and one of the minds behind the MiG-29 fighter jet, the staple of the Soviet and Russian Air Forces, has died at the age of 89.
Mikoyan spent the majority of his career as a leading engineer at the 'MiG' Aircraft Corporation's design bureau, which was founded by his uncle Artyom Mikoyan.
One of your heros huh? You complain about war and war machines, but Russian stuff is ok.
 

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Interesting - an aviation legend for sure. On different notes, Joe Esposito (part of Elvis' Memphis Mafia) and Florence Henderson (the mother of the Brady Bunch) died this week too.
 

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The MIG-29 is IMHO a bit of a mediocre plane. It never really fulfilled its promise. I think the Mig -29 is the reason the MIG bureau is now a distant #2 to Sukhoi. Really the best modern achievement of MIG is IMHO the MIG-31. That plane is a BEAST as well as being incredibly innovative.
 

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[]The MIG-29 is IMHO a bit of a mediocre plane. It never really fulfilled its promise. I think the Mig -29 is the reason the MIG bureau is now a distant #2 to Sukhoi. Really the best modern achievement of MIG is IMHO the MIG-31. That plane is a BEAST as well as being incredibly innovative.
Well you are dead wrong about that! The MiG-29 is a great aircraft and was even better when it first entered service.

On the other hand the MiG-31 which was a follow on to the MiG-25 is a piece of crap. It was designed as an interceptor to the USAF's B-70 which never entered service it can fly exceedingly fast and exceeding high but it has a turn ratio like a tractor-trailer truck it is absolutely helpless against more capable aircraft such as the F-15, CF-18 etc. . . save for bugging out at great speed. Oh by the way if flown at high speed for much time the engines had to be pulled and replaced.

By the way the MiG-29 represented a real change in Soviet air strategy towards capability and away from shear numbers which had been Soviet theory for decades (In the famous phrase of Lenin "Quantity, has a quality all its own.")
 

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Well you are dead wrong about that! The MiG-29 is a great aircraft and was even better when it first entered service.

On the other hand the MiG-31 which was a follow on to the MiG-25 is a piece of crap. It was designed as an interceptor to the USAF's B-70 which never entered service it can fly exceedingly fast and exceeding high but it has a turn ratio like a tractor-trailer truck it is absolutely helpless against more capable aircraft such as the F-15, CF-18 etc. . . save for bugging out at great speed. Oh by the way if flown at high speed for much time the engines had to be pulled and replaced.

By the way the MiG-29 represented a real change in Soviet air strategy towards capability and away from shear numbers which had been Soviet theory for decades (In the famous phrase of Lenin "Quantity, has a quality all its own.")
No YOU Are dead wrong the SU-27 and derivatives outperform the MIG-29 in almost EVERY aspect for about the same price. The SU-27 and now the SU-35 are the finest fighter planes ever developed by Russia. The MIG-31 is a very unique plane. It has extremely advanced radar (esp when it entered service) it can only turn at 5Gs but it is designed for BVR combat so maneuverability is not important. Radar, missiles, speed and altitude are important. In these regards it has no equal. If you took the time to understand what a massive area this plane can deliver credible air defense to, you would understand what its all about. The radius it can cover is staggering.
 

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^ I don't recall either of us discussing the Su-27/Su-35. The performance of those two aircraft does nothing to diminish the MiG-29.

The MiG-31 remains an aircraft of very limited function.
 

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danmand,

Are you sure he is not just hiding out with Bin Laden?
 
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^ I don't recall either of us discussing the Su-27/Su-35. The performance of those two aircraft does nothing to diminish the MiG-29.

The MiG-31 remains an aircraft of very limited function.
The MIG-31 was designed to protect Russias vast territory and airspace, to do that it has some extraordinary capabilities. It can outrun any fighter in western inventory and out climb most. The MIG 29 was designed as a low cost fighter to pair with the heavy SU-27. But in this regard it failed. While quite capable, it is not cost effective for what it does. Only with the latest variants has it become somewhat viable but only in the twilight of its career. The SU-27 is much more capable for about the same cost.
 

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The MIG 29 was designed as a low cost fighter to pair with the heavy SU-27. But in this regard it failed. While quite capable, it is not cost effective for what it does.
Once you add that second engine... Price complexity... Though once you're down to 1 engine you have flying deathraps, especially in any number of bad conditions. As soon as the Soviet MOD said 'no' to any more single engine planes that made a light fighter as the 'low' part of a 'low - high' mix kind of redundant. Canada learned the 'single engine' lesson with the CF-104, and we should know better with the F-35.

As far as the Mig-31 goes, and a potential Mig-41 goes, they have a role in a big mostly empty country like Russia. AKA- Go fast and fire lots of long range missiles, particularly at non-fighter targets. AWACS, Bombers, Tankers, other high and fast planes.... There's a lesson there for Canada as well. A fully modernised F-15, or even Rafale would actually be a good fit for the country (especially with areal refuelling). Though even the bigger / newer F-18 Super Hornets would be a better call than the budget crippling low capability F-35. With that huge Soviet radar, and it's huge power requirements, just slapping a new Russian radar and electronics on a Mig-31 makes it a danger to anything that flies. Take a Mig-31, make the minor, cheap, and obvious stealth improvements, maybe with some limited internal weapons bays (and the plethora of external hardpoints), build it from the lower cost end of 'new materials', slap new Russian engines in it, new Russian nose and wing radars and electronics, and call that the Mig-41 and you have an interceptor that will be viable for another 40 years.

edit: given where the Su-34, Su-35, Mig-35, and T-50 are a Mig-41 program would be 'cheap' under the UAC umbrella. And that's not cheap by Western standards, but actually cheap.
 

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What's accurate is that the posts show nobody gave a shit that the guy died and a few have commented repeatedly on a couple of planes.
you said nobody... clearly you are wrong. But the question is, why even make such a comment? And you accuse ME of being childish? How would you characterize someone like yourself who makes such a comment?
 

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How would you characterize someone like yourself who makes such a comment?
I would imagine "sophisticated" would pop into his mind.
 
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