Road Tolls Announced DVP GARDINER

[train]

There is no question that the Golden Horseshoe as a whole has allowed itself to get left behind by the increase in traffic on area highways, something has to be done to catch-up.

You terminally naive if you think this is going anywhere but into the general tax revenues of the city and the province.

 

[explorerzip]

Before anybody agrees or proposes one more tax you have to answer these questions.

1. Where does money come from ?

2. How is money created ?

Until you can answer these two relatively simple questions. You should not be allowed to propose taxes and everybody else should shut the fuck up !

Idiots. Fucking idiots.

More importantly, where is the money going to be spent and what projects are priority?

 

[GameBoy27]

If $2 is a stupid cash grab, what do you call $3 for a TTC ride that isn't door-to-door, takes twice as long as driving and you aren't even guaranteed a seat???

Cars have had a free ride far too long, the gas tax doesn't put a dent into what it costs to pander to them. On top of tolls, we should bring in a $50,000 per year registration fee to make them more accountable for their destruction.

A previous report by the Conference Board of Canada determined drivers are already paying a fair share in vehicle registration fees, parking tickets and fuel excise tax — in Ontario, it was between 70% to 90% and in the GTA where congestion is a bigger problem, it was over 100% – for the current cost of maintaining and operating roads.

 

[GPIDEAL]

DVP and GARDINER are getting tolled , looks like in 2017 ...John Tory says....

around $2 per average trip ....

some people who use it every day , will get hammered with fees up to $100 per month

Im betting Ontario is next for the 401 ......by 2020 I think all major routes will be tolled

begin the debate! :fencing:

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/tory-to-b...nsit-and-infrastructure-sources-say-1.3174384

Jimmy,

I heard that 40% of the roads are used by those outside the city.

Does this mean we get a break if we live in Toronto?

 

[GPIDEAL]

People going for scenic sunday drives. People who drive for pleasure.
You know the ones.

Also short distance drivers.
If you're in Etobicoke and you wanna get to BMO field, take Lakeshore and not the QEW

Fuck you lol. If I hobby downtown, I take south kingsway to the gardiner. It's worth to pay a toll.

 

[GPIDEAL]

This is so poorly implemented. They should only toll trucks and 905ers. Toronto residents already pay for the highways though our tax base. 905ers should get tolled and only during rush hour.

That's why I asked if Toronto residents will get a break.

 

[GPIDEAL]

It's completely bullshit because they will not increase the infrastructure budget by 2 cents.

All the money will just go to general revenue to support the ever growing number of useless social programs and the army f bureaucrats that make their living from it.

If they said, "hey, last year the infrastructure budget was 1 billion and now with this new tax that will generate 200 million, the budget will be 1.2 billion, I would be able to get my head around it. But that won't be the case. Last year's budget was a billion, this year's budget will be a billion and that is that

I thought Tory said it would raise $200 Million or so for capital improvements or maintenance?

 

[Garrett]

This is what happens when you're too chicken shit to raise property taxes.

There, I said it. The elephant's in the room.

You are 100% right.

Toronto has the worst public transportation of any major city I have been to.
Their big Scarborough project is a joke. Airport access is a joke.

We have elected officials who do not know how to build and run anything.
They are also incapable of fixing anything, which is why all you get is new projects and income sources.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I was in Vancouver a few months ago, what they have done with their LTR skytrain (or whatever its called) is quite remarkable. The only downside is the cement rails are ugly as fuck. A real eyesore.

But getting around in Vancouver is now much easier

 

[nottyboi]

If that's your thought, then perhaps the 905 Municipalities should toll 416ers that travel outside Metro.

You know that it will be years before drivers see any benefits as a result of Tory's $2 tax.

We already pay for that through our income tax and 407 tolls. Gardiner and DVP are owned and operated by the City of Toronto. So only Toronto residents pay for those roads.

 

[fuji]

The way things are now, there's no way to tell who are the 416 drivers and who are the 905 drivers. We can easily do that with 407 style cameras and transponders since that information is in a database. I honestly think that ALL road users whether they be from inside or outside the city of Toronto proper should be paying for the roads because they're contributing to the wear and tear.

Paying for Toronto's road network is especially important for buildings like the Ontario Food Terminal that benefit people from all over the region.

I agree, I was responding to the claim that Toronto should pay for 905ers road usage by raising property tax.

 

[fuji]

If that's your thought, then perhaps the 905 Municipalities should toll 416ers that travel outside Metro.

No objection here. Make all the expressways maintained by a municipality toll roads.

If Ontario thinks there's value to the whole province in having a free expressway through downtown Toronto then Ontario should make them 400 series highways, and take over ALL the costs of maintaining the road.

Mississauga, Markham, etc. really should put tolls on any expressways they are maintaining. Though, I'm not sure they actually do maintain any...

 

[Butler1000]

As I said in another thread an easier way is to put a tax on all private commercial parking spaces in the city. Collection is easy. And it hits the drivers just the same as it gets passed along. One yearly fee. Doesn't have to be expensive.

 

[danmand]

As I said in another thread an easier way is to put a tax on all private commercial parking spaces in the city. Collection is easy. And it hits the drivers just the same as it gets passed along. One yearly fee. Doesn't have to be expensive.

For Crissakes, just increase the property taxes to cover the expenses of the city. Do you know how much it will cost to equip all exits and entries to the Gardiner with cameras, buy computer systems to track every car and calculate fees, and to print and mail invoices, collect fees etc etc?
PS: I pay property tax in Toronto.

 

[GameBoy27]

For Crissakes, just increase the property taxes to cover the expenses of the city. Do you know how much it will cost to equip all exits and entries to the Gardiner with cameras, buy computer systems to track every car and calculate fees, and to print and mail invoices, collect fees etc etc?

What do you bet it will cost $2 a trip to administer, thereby not raising a dime for transit infrastructure. Remember, it's city employees who will be running it. :frusty:

 

[danmand]

What do you bet it will cost $2 a trip to administer, thereby not raising a dime for transit infrastructure. Remember, it's city employees who will be running it. :frusty:

The average cost of issuing and processing an invoice is somewhere around $15.

 

[IM469]

What do you bet it will cost $2 a trip to administer, thereby not raising a dime for transit infrastructure. Remember, it's city employees who will be running it. :frusty:

Not really because they will sell it to a private company that will immediately blackmail the driver with higher fees and then get the government to assume responsibility of delinquent or disputed accounts with vehicle registration threats.

 

[james t kirk]

Of course not. The infrastructure budget is already larger than the revenue, this is catch up.

I agree with you that the downloading of social services to Toronto has been a disaster and should be reversed.

Nonsense.

You think that the infrastructure budget is already larger than revenue?

Mmmm, no.

The City of Toronto's 2015 Operating Budget (that's the cost of paying it's direct employees, TTC, Cops, Fire Dept. Ambulance, whatever, and the various bloated city of Toronto social welfare groups) is a staggering 11.4 billion dollars in 2015.

By comparison, the Capital Works budget is never really stated point blank, but it's typically about 20% of the operating budget. (To confuse you, they give the Capital Works budget in 10 year increments. That way, they can play with the numbers.)

Anyway, long story short, as Rob Ford correctly said, Toronto doesn't have a revenue problem, Toronto has a spending problem.

Any money from road tolls will simply go to General Revenue. It will not go to increased Transit spending.

 

[Butler1000]

For Crissakes, just increase the property taxes to cover the expenses of the city. Do you know how much it will cost to equip all exits and entries to the Gardiner with cameras, buy computer systems to track every car and calculate fees, and to print and mail invoices, collect fees etc etc?
PS: I pay property tax in Toronto.

Didn't I just say easier to hit the parking? Tolls won't work on it. But parking IS on the property tax bill.

Just do two tiers. One low one per space for non paid. One higher one for paid.

Cost just gets passed down to consumers eventually. But it's the property owners doing the collection for you and no need to add to the size of gov't.

 

[Speedo]

Worst major public transit system in the US and Canada. Worst major freeway system too -- and I've been to them all. Tolls would pretty much guarantee I won't ever set foot inside this arrogant and overrated city again.